SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think ward lost his previous fight, a light heavy Crawford would kick his ass imo. Can't do it. Definitely top 5.
I agree that Ward lost that first fight. But, it was close. I try to stick with official decisions when compiling any type of list, which I seldomly do.
I also think a LHW Crawford beats Ward, and anyone else at that weight.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think ward lost his previous fight, a light heavy Crawford would kick his ass imo. Can't do it. Definitely top 5.
I agree that Ward lost that first fight. But, it was close. I try to stick with official decisions when compiling any type of list, which I seldomly do.
I also think a LHW Crawford beats Ward, and anyone else at that weight.
I do if it's divisional. The fact that p4p is a mythical thing to begin with. I feel I can judge the fights myself. I also wouldn't recognize a wretched decision in a historical ranking.
ValMar wrote:These lists are senseless without HWs and Usyk.
Nobody at Heavyweight has a particularly deep resume at the moment other than Wladimir and Wladimir has seen better days.
....and Joshua beat Wladimir.....
I know that. Wladimir wasn't a P4P Top 10 guy to beat at the time. It's an impressive win for AJ. He's the #1 Heavyweight in the world right now. He's making more money than just about anybody on the P4P list. I doubt he really gives a f*ck if he's in the P4P Top 10 or not quite frankly.
He'll get there in time, and even if he doesn't, there's gonna be interest in the #1 Heavyweight.
x2x wrote:That idiot pound for pound schtick always pisses me off since it is nothing but a list of somebody's favorite boxers with no objective criteria. It started off as a space filler in the useless Ring magazine which was mostly space filler in and of itself. Now it's supposed to be some big important rating system. The hell it is. It's just something for fools to argue over, like what you see here. Andre Ward #1 ha ha ha!
x2x wrote:That idiot pound for pound schtick always pisses me off since it is nothing but a list of somebody's favorite boxers with no objective criteria. It started off as a space filler in the useless Ring magazine which was mostly space filler in and of itself. Now it's supposed to be some big important rating system. The hell it is. It's just something for fools to argue over, like what you see here. Andre Ward #1 ha ha ha!
Of course p4p lists are subjective
That's what I just said, moron.
Then why does it "always" piss you off, Einstone? "Other peoples' opinions piss me off!" What a x2x pissant.
Then why does it "always" piss you off, Einstone? "Other peoples' opinions piss me off!" What a x2x pissant.
Where did I say "Other peoples' opinions piss me off!"? I never said that. I said the P4P baloney pisses me off. You have the reading comprehension ability of moron, which is why I call you that. Moron.
gilgamesh wrote:
I've watched Inoue fight too, and my eye doesn't tell me anything like that.
Ward has wins over Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler, Chad Dawson, Sakio Bika, and Kovalev 2x. Other than the 2 Kovalev fights he's always won decisively, and without controversy over an extremely solid field of competition. I'm not a fan of Ward, but give the man his due. You don't accomplish what he has by accident.
other than 2 kovalev fights hes always won decisively and without controversy....
dont do drugs... drugs are bad.
like wtf dude. seriously good one.
Ok...so what controversy other than the Kovalev fights is there? I don't buy the Kessler headbutts bullsh*t, he was aggressive, some accidental butts happened...that's the way it goes sometimes.
I dunno man.. That huge butt in round 8 looked pretty intentional to me. And the elbow in the Bika fight is something you literally see in MMA. But, as I stated in another thread, the Bika fight was foul filled by both parties.
Then why does it "always" piss you off, Einstone? "Other peoples' opinions piss me off!" What a x2x pissant.
Where did I say "Other peoples' opinions piss me off!"? I never said that. I said the P4P baloney pisses me off. You have the reading comprehension ability of moron, which is why I call you that. Moron.
You don't even realize that I was paraphrasing and that "the P4P baloney" that pisses you off is opinion.
ValMar wrote:These lists are senseless without HWs and Usyk.
These lists are senseless period. And they always favor somebody's favorite little squirts. I just noticed there are two identical lists like this here now. Maybe I'll start a third just to parody the way these clowns trash up boxing forums with nonsense.
gilgamesh wrote:Well...I've liked my share of dirty fighters, and I didn't hold it against them.
So I say, if you can get away with it. It's fair game. Don't blame the player, blame the ref. The players play to win.
That's just like saying don't blame the criminal blame the crooked cop who didn't arrest him because he was on the take. They are both guilty.
No it's like saying "Do what you gotta do to win a fight". Let the referee be the referee, let the fighters fight.
That's called fighting dirty, cheating, trying to hurt your opponent any rotten way you can, trying to get away with anything you can. In a real honest sport someone like that would be warned and if he continued to do that behavior he'd be banned. I don't follow MMA but I don't think they'd tolerate it.
Based on their last performance, Ward shouldn't be in top 5, and Kovalev shouldn't be in top 10.
This.
Kovalevs condition is just weak. Ward juat a totaly overrated boxer, very dirty. With a fair ref he would have easily 1-2 points taken away.
I wouldn't call him overrated. His winning gold, and the way he dispatched of Dawson was impressive. But, I don't care for the way he incorporates dirty tactics into his style as a form of strategy. Much of the time he has a smothering style that is difficult and irritating to watch. An acquired taste I suppose. Some people seem to like it. But, I saw a special with people who loved eating dirt as well.
Based on their last performance, Ward shouldn't be in top 5, and Kovalev shouldn't be in top 10.
This.
Kovalevs condition is just weak. Ward juat a totaly overrated boxer, very dirty. With a fair ref he would have easily 1-2 points taken away.
I wouldn't call him overrated. His winning gold, and the way he dispatched of Dawson was impressive. But, I don't care for the way he incorporates dirty tactics into his style as a form of strategy. Much of the time he has a smothering style that is difficult and irritating to watch. An acquired taste I suppose. Some people seem to like it. But, I saw a special with people who loved eating dirt as well.
He dispatched of Dawson who had to cut 7 additional pounds.
Kovalevs condition is just weak. Ward juat a totaly overrated boxer, very dirty. With a fair ref he would have easily 1-2 points taken away.
I wouldn't call him overrated. His winning gold, and the way he dispatched of Dawson was impressive. But, I don't care for the way he incorporates dirty tactics into his style as a form of strategy. Much of the time he has a smothering style that is difficult and irritating to watch. An acquired taste I suppose. Some people seem to like it. But, I saw a special with people who loved eating dirt as well.
He dispatched of Dawson who had to cut 7 additional pounds.
I feel the weight cut had a little to do with it. But Chad was getting cleanly outboxed from the get go.
That's just like saying don't blame the criminal blame the crooked cop who didn't arrest him because he was on the take. They are both guilty.
No it's like saying "Do what you gotta do to win a fight". Let the referee be the referee, let the fighters fight.
That's called fighting dirty, cheating, trying to hurt your opponent any rotten way you can, trying to get away with anything you can. In a real honest sport someone like that would be warned and if he continued to do that behavior he'd be banned. I don't follow MMA but I don't think they'd tolerate it.
I agree Tony Weeks should've deducted points from Ward. Boxing doesn't tolerate aggregious fouling in most instances, and in my opinion Tony Weeks should definitely be getting a stern talking to from the Commission if nothing else. His judgment was at the very least, questionable here.
Impractical Poster wrote:
I wouldn't call him overrated. His winning gold, and the way he dispatched of Dawson was impressive. But, I don't care for the way he incorporates dirty tactics into his style as a form of strategy. Much of the time he has a smothering style that is difficult and irritating to watch. An acquired taste I suppose. Some people seem to like it. But, I saw a special with people who loved eating dirt as well.
He dispatched of Dawson who had to cut 7 additional pounds.
I feel the weight cut had a little to do with it. But Chad was getting cleanly outboxed from the get go.
Get in your best physical shape, then cut 15 pounds (a minimum LHWs cut before a fight), then cut additional 7 pounds. Only after that you can "feel" if weight has anything to do with something.
boxing_rocks wrote:
He dispatched of Dawson who had to cut 7 additional pounds.
I feel the weight cut had a little to do with it. But Chad was getting cleanly outboxed from the get go.
Get in your best physical shape, then cut 15 pounds (a minimum LHWs cut before a fight), then cut additional 7 pounds. Only after that you can "feel" if weight has anything to do with something.
gilgamesh wrote:
No it's like saying "Do what you gotta do to win a fight". Let the referee be the referee, let the fighters fight.
That's called fighting dirty, cheating, trying to hurt your opponent any rotten way you can, trying to get away with anything you can. In a real honest sport someone like that would be warned and if he continued to do that behavior he'd be banned. I don't follow MMA but I don't think they'd tolerate it.
I agree Tony Weeks should've deducted points from Ward. Boxing doesn't tolerate aggregious fouling in most instances, and in my opinion Tony Weeks should definitely be getting a stern talking to from the Commission if nothing else. His judgment was at the very least, questionable here.
Tony weeks did exactly what the Commission wanted him to do - help Ward win. I would expect ABCs to express their disgust, but they are silent too.
You don't even realize that I was paraphrasing and that "the P4P baloney" that pisses you off is opinion.