It’s official: Andre Ward is the P4P Best!

[Covfefe]

He dispatched of Dawson who had to cut 7 additional pounds.

I feel the weight cut had a little to do with it. But Chad was getting cleanly outboxed from the get go.

Get in your best physical shape, then cut 15 pounds (a minimum LHWs cut before a fight), then cut additional 7 pounds. Only after that you can "feel" if weight has anything to do with something.

He shouldn't have called Ward out at 168 then. It was stupid.

[boxing_rocks]

I feel the weight cut had a little to do with it. But Chad was getting cleanly outboxed from the get go.

Get in your best physical shape, then cut 15 pounds (a minimum LHWs cut before a fight), then cut additional 7 pounds. Only after that you can "feel" if weight has anything to do with something.

Dawson has only himself to blame.

Yep, that was not a smart move.

[Covfefe]

That's called fighting dirty, cheating, trying to hurt your opponent any rotten way you can, trying to get away with anything you can. In a real honest sport someone like that would be warned and if he continued to do that behavior he'd be banned. I don't follow MMA but I don't think they'd tolerate it.

I agree Tony Weeks should've deducted points from Ward. Boxing doesn't tolerate aggregious fouling in most instances, and in my opinion Tony Weeks should definitely be getting a stern talking to from the Commission if nothing else. His judgment was at the very least, questionable here.

Tony weeks did exactly what the Commission wanted him to do - help Ward win. I would expect ABCs to express their disgust, but they are silent too.

Take it back to Saturday night, Tony Weeks doesn't jump in. Who's going to win that fight? Kovalev was looking for a way out previous. It was going one way and he was going to get stopped. Ward didn't need Weeks, Weeks detracted from Ward's victory.

[Tanzio]

That's called fighting dirty, cheating, trying to hurt your opponent any rotten way you can, trying to get away with anything you can. In a real honest sport someone like that would be warned and if he continued to do that behavior he'd be banned. I don't follow MMA but I don't think they'd tolerate it.

I agree Tony Weeks should've deducted points from Ward. Boxing doesn't tolerate aggregious fouling in most instances, and in my opinion Tony Weeks should definitely be getting a stern talking to from the Commission if nothing else. His judgment was at the very least, questionable here.

Tony weeks did exactly what the Commission wanted him to do - help Ward win. I would expect ABCs to express their disgust, but they are silent too.

Again, Krushedner's ring conduct led to Week's unfortunate decision. Sergei got punked.

[crusader]

It's easy to say he was going to get stopped because he did get stopped. AJ looked in far more serious trouble against Wlad and many other fighters have looked spent, only to come back.

Not saying that Kov wouldve won, and I certainly wouldnt have bet on that.

[Covfefe]

It's easy to say he was going to get stopped because he did get stopped. AJ looked in far more serious trouble against Wlad.

He was never at any point looking for time to recover which Kovalev did twice, its impossible to predict the future but I'd bet my house on Kovalev not making twelve rounds that night.

[crusader]

He may well have been stopped, but there are loads of examples of guys coming back from that or worse. Of course, when talking about stuff that cant be proven it's easy to drift into langauge of certainty.....

[Covfefe]

He may well have been stopped, but there are loads of examples of guys coming back from that or worse. Of course, when talking about stuff that cant be proven it's easy to drift into langauge of certainty.....

Well, what do you think would have happened had they been legal blows? I'd still say bad stoppage but I blame Kovalev. What was he doing just bent over doing nothing?

[Tanzio]

It's easy to say he was going to get stopped because he did get stopped. AJ looked in far more serious trouble against Wlad and many other fighters have looked spent, only to come back.

Not saying that Kov wouldve won, and I certainly wouldnt have bet on that.

That's the difference though. AJ took a knee and survived. AJ never looked like he wanted out of the fight. Krushedner looked like he wanted or expected a way out.

[crusader]

In my opinion, had the ref stopped AJ-Wlad in the 6th it would be extremely easy to make a case that AJ was done and wouldve surely been stopped anyway. He was utterly exhausted and struggled to lift his arms; he was being beaten around the ring and on the ropes, with little to nothing going back at Wlad; and he had been knocked on his butt hard (before and after which he was pummeled). Jamie Conlan has had a few of these 'oh, he must be done fights', and I remember Travis Dickinson appearing to be totally destroyed by body shots against Clarkson.

Kov looked weary, but I think he may have also made a tactical error in continuing to look for the ref to call foul when Weeks wasnt going to do that. To me that's not necessarily a sign of capitulation, and could just reflect a poor reaction to a percieved transgression. Watch the Caparello fight in which he got dropped and youll see something very similar; gets hit low, drops his hands and pauses as if waiting for the ref, then gets clocked while his hands are down.

If the bout wasnt called so early it mayve been more apparent to Kov that he wasnt going to get his way with the low blows, the fighters may have become tangled, broke, and reset another time, and so on. And, if Weeks did call them low, thats time for Kov to recover and get his wind back.

The momentum was obviously with Ward in the 8th, but many other fighters have seemingly been close to stopping their opponent, only for the opponent to come back and win or at least go the distance. It's just easy to act like it was a guarantee when we never got to see it play out.

[Bard of Boxrec]

In my opinion, had the ref stopped AJ-Wlad in the 6th it would be extremely easy to make a case that AJ was done and wouldve surely been stopped anyway. He was utterly exhausted and struggled to lift his arms; he was being beaten around the ring and on the ropes, with little to nothing going back at Wlad; and he had been knocked on his butt hard (before and after which he was pummeled). Jamie Conlan has had a few of these 'oh, he must be done fights', and I remembee Travis Dickinson looking totally destroyed by body shots against Clarkson.

Kov looked weary, but I think he may have also made a tactical error in continuing to look for the ref to call foul when Weeks wasnt going to do that. To me that's not necessarily a sign of capitulation, and could just reflect a poor reaction to a percieved transgression. Watch the Caparello fight in which he got dropped and youll see something very similar; gets hit low, drops his hands and pauses as if waiting for the ref, then gets clocked while his hands are down.

If the bout wasnt called so early it mayve been more apparent to Kov that he wasnt going to get his way with the low blows, the fighters may have become tangled, broke, and reset another time, and so on. And, if Weeks did call them low, thats time for Kov to recover and get his wind back.

The momentum was obviously with Ward in the 8th, but many other fighters have seemingly been close to stopping their opponent, only for the opponent to come back and win or at least go the distance. It's just easy to act like it was a guarantee when we never got to see it play out.

Good post.

[greg]

..I agree, had the basic boxing rules been followed from round 1, had Kov got 5 minutes after a low blow in the round 8, the result might have been different, we'll never know it though..why? because the boxing rules have not been followed, simple as that..

...regarding P4P: he's definitely NSAC P4P best and they intend to keep it that way...

[lazboy]

..I agree, had the elementary boxing rules been followed from round 1, had Kov got 5 minutes after a low blow in the round 8, the result might have been different, we'll never know it though..why? because the boxing rules have not been followed, simple as that..

It really is as simple as that although at the end of the day "it is what it is" in terms of the result but another besmirch on boxing. Good post by Crusader.

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[Double post, stupid phone I'm using]

[squiggy]

You're wasting your time, dude has Floyd level irrational Ward-love. He's easily top 5 right now and a top 3 alltime SuperMiddle.

I'd consider him the #1 Super Middleweight of all time personally. Nobody else did more at the weight than him. Though you could make an argument with Calzaghe.

Ward does deserve his props for how effectively he does his thing, but for me, his career at super middle did not steal Joe c's crown. He ruled that for ages.

[squiggy]

Chocolatito should be at the tail end of the top ten or just outside of it.

I think that Once Upon A Time should definitely be around 7.

I would probably flip Hitman Jr and 3G.

1. SOGgy
2. Hitman Jr
3. 3G
4. Krushedner
5. Lomassiah
6. Once Upon A Time
7. GingerHead
8. LSC
9. Pac
10. Frampton

You don't even rank Sgt. Knocks-'em-Out, The Electric Kid 2.0, or Mister Look-at-that-Jab?

[Impractical Poster]

It's easy to say he was going to get stopped because he did get stopped. AJ looked in far more serious trouble against Wlad and many other fighters have looked spent, only to come back.

Not saying that Kov wouldve won, and I certainly wouldnt have bet on that.

Teah. Same with Corrales during the Castillo fight, first meeting. You never know. But, in all likelihood, Ward would have pulled it out anyhow.

[Tanzio]

Chocolatito should be at the tail end of the top ten or just outside of it.

I think that Once Upon A Time should definitely be around 7.

I would probably flip Hitman Jr and 3G.

1. SOGgy
2. Hitman Jr
3. 3G
4. Krushedner
5. Lomassiah
6. Once Upon A Time
7. GingerHead
8. LSC
9. Pac
10. Frampton

You don't even rank Sgt. Knocks-'em-Out, The Electric Kid 2.0, or Mister Look-at-that-Jab?

Hey! It is all subjective, squiggy. Make your own list to piss Buttheadbean off.

[gilgamesh]

You're wasting your time, dude has Floyd level irrational Ward-love. He's easily top 5 right now and a top 3 alltime SuperMiddle.

I'd consider him the #1 Super Middleweight of all time personally. Nobody else did more at the weight than him. Though you could make an argument with Calzaghe.

Ward does deserve his props for how effectively he does his thing, but for me, his career at super middle did not steal Joe c's crown. He ruled that for ages.

Yeah, but Andre Ward beat better fighters than Joe did. Joe had like 10 more fights than Andre does now before he ever had half the resume Andre does now.

[Ilya Muromets]

nah

Nah x2

Based on their last performance, Ward shouldn't be in top 5, and Kovalev shouldn't be in top 10.

I don't think Kovalev looked that sharp, but until Ward and his accomplice Weeks started landing their low blows at will he was way ahead. Even one of the in-house Las Vegas judges had him ahead and that means he was way way ahead.

Note: If you respond to me and don't quote me I won't know of it except if I see it by accident.

[squiggy]

Chocolatito should be at the tail end of the top ten or just outside of it.

I think that Once Upon A Time should definitely be around 7.

I would probably flip Hitman Jr and 3G.

1. SOGgy
2. Hitman Jr
3. 3G
4. Krushedner
5. Lomassiah
6. Once Upon A Time
7. GingerHead
8. LSC
9. Pac
10. Frampton

You don't even rank Sgt. Knocks-'em-Out, The Electric Kid 2.0, or Mister Look-at-that-Jab?

Hey! It is all subjective, squiggy. Make your own list to piss Buttheadbean off.

I was just riffing on your nicknaming.

[watsupdoc87]

In my opinion, had the ref stopped AJ-Wlad in the 6th it would be extremely easy to make a case that AJ was done and wouldve surely been stopped anyway. He was utterly exhausted and struggled to lift his arms; he was being beaten around the ring and on the ropes, with little to nothing going back at Wlad; and he had been knocked on his butt hard (before and after which he was pummeled). Jamie Conlan has had a few of these 'oh, he must be done fights', and I remember Travis Dickinson appearing to be totally destroyed by body shots against Clarkson.

Kov looked weary, but I think he may have also made a tactical error in continuing to look for the ref to call foul when Weeks wasnt going to do that. To me that's not necessarily a sign of capitulation, and could just reflect a poor reaction to a percieved transgression. Watch the Caparello fight in which he got dropped and youll see something very similar; gets hit low, drops his hands and pauses as if waiting for the ref, then gets clocked while his hands are down.

If the bout wasnt called so early it mayve been more apparent to Kov that he wasnt going to get his way with the low blows, the fighters may have become tangled, broke, and reset another time, and so on. And, if Weeks did call them low, thats time for Kov to recover and get his wind back.

Don't know if I'll watch Jamie conlon anymore, like a fukin rollercoaster. Too stressful to follow. Watching him and a couple lines is a heart attack waiting to happen

The momentum was obviously with Ward in the 8th, but many other fighters have seemingly been close to stopping their opponent, only for the opponent to come back and win or at least go the distance. It's just easy to act like it was a guarantee when we never got to see it play out.

[boxing_rocks]

In my opinion, had the ref stopped AJ-Wlad in the 6th it would be extremely easy to make a case that AJ was done and wouldve surely been stopped anyway. He was utterly exhausted and struggled to lift his arms; he was being beaten around the ring and on the ropes, with little to nothing going back at Wlad; and he had been knocked on his butt hard (before and after which he was pummeled). Jamie Conlan has had a few of these 'oh, he must be done fights', and I remembee Travis Dickinson looking totally destroyed by body shots against Clarkson.

Kov looked weary, but I think he may have also made a tactical error in continuing to look for the ref to call foul when Weeks wasnt going to do that. To me that's not necessarily a sign of capitulation, and could just reflect a poor reaction to a percieved transgression. Watch the Caparello fight in which he got dropped and youll see something very similar; gets hit low, drops his hands and pauses as if waiting for the ref, then gets clocked while his hands are down.

If the bout wasnt called so early it mayve been more apparent to Kov that he wasnt going to get his way with the low blows, the fighters may have become tangled, broke, and reset another time, and so on. And, if Weeks did call them low, thats time for Kov to recover and get his wind back.

The momentum was obviously with Ward in the 8th, but many other fighters have seemingly been close to stopping their opponent, only for the opponent to come back and win or at least go the distance. It's just easy to act like it was a guarantee when we never got to see it play out.

Good post.

Yep.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

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