Pacquiao robbed AGAIN!

[diddy]

I'm really tired of people that dont know how to score fights. Seriously. Boxing judging is not for casuals. It's for people that score whats actually landing, and how it's landing. Not what is being thrown, not what is hitting gloves and arms, but what is making actual contact that is supposed to be scored. Tired of it. Tired of casual fans. Even more tired of corrupt judging but thats not going anywhere.

[Tanzio]

Had it 116-112 Pacquiao. 3-3 after 6. Did not give Horn a round until the 12th, and that was a generous last round for Horn.

Jack

I had it even after eight. Too many close rounds 10,11, 12.

[asdfjkl]

Just a couple of hours ago, before this match started, I wrote that I haven't seen the matches, but was surprised about the two other decision upsets. The Russian and the other guy were expected to dominate the Australians easely, somehow the judges said something else.
Now I haven't seen the Manny Paq fight either, but now I hear that's a very odd upset as well, you start wondering.

Remarkebly, my post and actually that whole topic got removed?! Now I'm not a kind of conspiracy guy, but if there will be none, or barely any footage of this fight on YouTube, I'm confident that this is another Ward type of scam.

[Best Coast]

I've been following Horn boxing since his 10th win, I scored 115-113 Horn easily, Pacman was blocked more then half fight, he faced a mirror, felt what is somebody moving and punching like crazy never giving a break to breath over you, his era is done.

Horn did nice most from 1st to 6th-7th rounds (and in 1 or 2 in last 3), he used many angles, jabs, combinations, power punches + angles, forward punch + side angle movements, continuous forward attack, thus blocking Pacquiao from doing the same (as we know he does), many footwork movements, head movements, body movements, many accurate dodges... it was impressive, a very different boxing style from his last 3 fights.

What I disagree is that after 7th round Horn did many chokes and chokes+punching, a total illegal behavior in boxing could be warned 3x + punished by 1 point deduction or punished by 1 point deduction directly, but dirty referee saved him from it...

Agreed...the dirty ref should have docked Horn for head locks, elbows and general dirty tactics.

Not surprisingly the 3 judges were no-names because they have little experience judging world championship fights and even then most of their experience is in judging women's title bouts.

One of the worst decisions in a high-profile fight in recent memory.

[Tanzio]

I'm really tired of people that dont know how to score fights. Seriously. Boxing judging is not for casuals. It's for people that score whats actually landing, and how it's landing. Not what is being thrown, not what is hitting gloves and arms, but what is making actual contact that is supposed to be scored. Tired of it. Tired of casual fans. Even more tired of corrupt judging but thats not going anywhere.

Everyone has an opinion and nobody should break out punch stats to defend it.

[gilgamesh]

I'm really tired of people that dont know how to score fights. Seriously. Boxing judging is not for casuals. It's for people that score whats actually landing, and how it's landing. Not what is being thrown, not what is hitting gloves and arms, but what is making actual contact that is supposed to be scored. Tired of it. Tired of casual fans. Even more tired of corrupt judging but thats not going anywhere.

Everyone has an opinion and nobody should break out punch stats to defend it.

Punch stats often tell the story of the fight. Especially when one guy landed more and harder punches.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I used to be an Atlas guy ... no more.
Zero integrity, and is now a HBO PPV cheerleader.

Sick of great efforts by fighters being erased by playing people who can't judge fights.
Horn deserves credit for fighting his ass off and looking like the stronger fighter.

I think the fight was 7-5 either way, or a draw. Close fight.
Manny had a big round 9, but no 10-8.

Fighters actually work. Let's stop robbing them of their credit.
Congrats to Horn.
Skip the Manny rematch and demand the winner of Floyd/McGregor.

[gilgamesh]

I used to be an Atlas guy ... no more.
Zero integrity, and is now a HBO PPV cheerleader.

Sick of great efforts by fighters being erased by playing people who can't judge fights.
Horn deserves credit for fighting his ass off and looking like the stronger fighter.

I think the fight was 7-5 either way, or a draw. Close fight.
Manny had a big round 9, but no 10-8.

Fighters actually work. Let's stop robbing them of their credit.
Congrats to Horn.
Skip the Manny rematch and demand the winner of Floyd/McGregor.

Floyd Mayweather ain't wasting his time with Horn. That's a pipe dream. Teddy Atlas was right in his assessment of the fight. You shouldn't win a fight just because you showed bravery. He didn't win.

[Tanzio]

I've been following Horn boxing since his 10th win, I scored 115-113 Horn easily, Pacman was blocked more then half fight, he faced a mirror, felt what is somebody moving and punching like crazy never giving a break to breath over you, his era is done.

Horn did nice most from 1st to 6th-7th rounds (and in 1 or 2 in last 3), he used many angles, jabs, combinations, power punches + angles, forward punch + side angle movements, continuous forward attack, thus blocking Pacquiao from doing the same (as we know he does), many footwork movements, head movements, body movements, many accurate dodges... it was impressive, a very different boxing style from his last 3 fights.

What I disagree is that after 7th round Horn did many chokes and chokes+punching, a total illegal behavior in boxing could be warned 3x + punished by 1 point deduction or punished by 1 point deduction directly, but dirty referee saved him from it...

Agreed...the dirty ref should have docked Horn for head locks, elbows and general dirty tactics.

Not surprisingly the 3 judges were no-names because they have little experience judging world championship fights and even then most of their experience is in judging women's title bouts.

One of the worst decisions in a high-profile fight in recent memory.

I completely disagree and I had it 115-112 Pac.

[gilgamesh]

I've been following Horn boxing since his 10th win, I scored 115-113 Horn easily, Pacman was blocked more then half fight, he faced a mirror, felt what is somebody moving and punching like crazy never giving a break to breath over you, his era is done.

Horn did nice most from 1st to 6th-7th rounds (and in 1 or 2 in last 3), he used many angles, jabs, combinations, power punches + angles, forward punch + side angle movements, continuous forward attack, thus blocking Pacquiao from doing the same (as we know he does), many footwork movements, head movements, body movements, many accurate dodges... it was impressive, a very different boxing style from his last 3 fights.

What I disagree is that after 7th round Horn did many chokes and chokes+punching, a total illegal behavior in boxing could be warned 3x + punished by 1 point deduction or punished by 1 point deduction directly, but dirty referee saved him from it...

Agreed...the dirty ref should have docked Horn for head locks, elbows and general dirty tactics.

Not surprisingly the 3 judges were no-names because they have little experience judging world championship fights and even then most of their experience is in judging women's title bouts.

One of the worst decisions in a high-profile fight in recent memory.

I've seen far worse, but this one was pretty bad, and surprising that they'd do it to a guy like Manny...they did it with Tim too. I guess maybe they'll make a trilogy out of this too. Who knows.

[crusader]

I used to be an Atlas guy ... no more.
Zero integrity, and is now a HBO PPV cheerleader.

Sick of great efforts by fighters being erased by playing people who can't judge fights.
Horn deserves credit for fighting his ass off and looking like the stronger fighter.

I think the fight was 7-5 either way, or a draw. Close fight.
Manny had a big round 9, but no 10-8.

Fighters actually work. Let's stop robbing them of their credit.
Congrats to Horn.
Skip the Manny rematch and demand the winner of Floyd/McGregor.

The 9th easily deserved to be 10-8. Horn was seriously hurt and got battered from one end of the ring to the other for much of that round; the ref wasnt out of line in stopping by his corner to warn him that it'd be stopped if he didnt answer back in the 10th.

[thunderfromdownunder]

Had it 116-112 Pacquiao. 3-3 after 6. Did not give Horn a round until the 12th, and that was a generous last round for Horn.

Jack

Horn won the 10th very clearly

[Grant]

Just a couple of hours ago, before this match started, I wrote that I haven't seen the matches, but was surprised about the two other decision upsets. The Russian and the other guy were expected to dominate the Australians easely, somehow the judges said something else.
Now I haven't seen the Manny Paq fight either, but now I hear that's a very odd upset as well, you start wondering.

Remarkebly, my post and actually that whole topic got removed?! Now I'm not a kind of conspiracy guy, but if there will be none, or barely any footage of this fight on YouTube, I'm confident that this is another Ward type of scam.

Oh dear if only you had have watched. Mosley lost pretty convincingly i thought. They will have to make up a title for him to win i fear. By the way love seeing fighters with attitude celebrating before a decision only to lose it. As for the main event, it depended on who you gave the close rounds to IMO. I thought the tenth could have gone 10 - 8 also but either way it was close. The first score was ridiculous but the decision was a fair one otherwise. In my Opinion. Also i thought Mannys legs were gone after the tenth he looked spent in his corner at the break. Decision aside a great fight

[gilgamesh]

Just a couple of hours ago, before this match started, I wrote that I haven't seen the matches, but was surprised about the two other decision upsets. The Russian and the other guy were expected to dominate the Australians easely, somehow the judges said something else.
Now I haven't seen the Manny Paq fight either, but now I hear that's a very odd upset as well, you start wondering.

Remarkebly, my post and actually that whole topic got removed?! Now I'm not a kind of conspiracy guy, but if there will be none, or barely any footage of this fight on YouTube, I'm confident that this is another Ward type of scam.

Oh dear if only you had have watched. Mosley lost pretty convincingly i thought. They will have to make up a title for him to win i fear. By the way love seeing fighters with attitude celebrating before a decision only to lose it. As for the main event, it depended on who you gave the close rounds to IMO. I thought the tenth could have gone 10 - 8 also but either way it was close. The first score was ridiculous but the decision was a fair one otherwise. In my Opinion. Also i thought Mannys legs were gone after the tenth he looked spent in his corner at the break. Decision aside a great fight

Touissaint beat Mosley close but clear. Nothing wrong with that decision. I had it 77-75 for Touissaint.

[Boxing Prospect]

I'm really tired of people that dont know how to score fights. Seriously. Boxing judging is not for casuals. It's for people that score whats actually landing, and how it's landing. Not what is being thrown, not what is hitting gloves and arms, but what is making actual contact that is supposed to be scored. Tired of it. Tired of casual fans. Even more tired of corrupt judging but thats not going anywhere.

Everyone has an opinion and nobody should break out punch stats to defend it.

Punch stats often tell the story of the fight. Especially when one guy landed more and harder punches.

When they are accurate they do...but they are rarely, if ever, accurate

[gilgamesh]

Everyone has an opinion and nobody should break out punch stats to defend it.

Punch stats often tell the story of the fight. Especially when one guy landed more and harder punches.

When they are accurate they do...but they are rarely, if ever, accurate

I doubt they're ever 100% accurate hell that'd be damn near impossible to be honest with ya, but it would have to be off DRASTICALLY to make it so that Horn somehow got the better of it.

Let's just say that Horn landed 20 more punches than he was given credit for and Manny landed 20 less...that would still mean Manny outlanded him by 50.

[Tangerine]

wow terrific fight ive just watched there.I scored it 114 114 a draw.

no complaints with that to be honest.117 111 was way out but the other two judges had it by 115 113 thats fine imo.

Pacquaio should have targeted the body more and tried to slow Horn's movement down.He was struggling with the weight aswell,i feel he would have been better served going downstairs early on.

I think sometimes you can score for a guys aggression aswell as clean punches landed.Manny obviously won all the rounds he landed clean in but in the ones he was missing he was giving the round away on aggression from Horn.So fornicate what if Horn is roughing him up,thats the way it goes.

well done to Horn.i dont know if there will be a rematch yet or not as Horn was mandatory wasnt he?I think Manny will beat him in a rematch.

[Mr. Plainview]

I just got home from the fight. Was a crazy atmosphere. Almost 60 thousand screaming fans.

Pac should have got it. I had him winning by two rounds. People saying Pac easily dominated the whole fight were obviously listening to the commentary. Horn's game plan early made the fight very competitive. Props to him. The jump up in class and his lack of experience should have resulted in him being Koed early, but he did his thing. Made it ugly and roughed up Pac a bit. Very entertaining scrap.

[coneye]

a FEW THINGS WERE VERY NOTICABLE ,, Paccy to start with reminded me of a late Duran , in the later stages of his carreer , he's fit exceptionaly fit , but not fight fit,, he just did'nt have the speed he's renowned for , only showed it in glimses not the whole rnd and definetly not the wholes fight .

Horn also was very novice like , he done things that high level boxers are not supposed to do , and caught Manny off guard . Plus he was just TOOOOO BIG , . Manny had a couple of rnds where he hurt him but did'nt really shine , the rest of the rnds it was either Horn or even rnds , for me a good discision a fair discision , a lot of rnds were really 50-50, with Horn wanting it bad and Manny going through the motions , and then panicking

[Boxing Prospect]

I've been following Horn boxing since his 10th win, I scored 115-113 Horn easily, Pacman was blocked more then half fight, he faced a mirror, felt what is somebody moving and punching like crazy never giving a break to breath over you, his era is done.

Horn did nice most from 1st to 6th-7th rounds (and in 1 or 2 in last 3), he used many angles, jabs, combinations, power punches + angles, forward punch + side angle movements, continuous forward attack, thus blocking Pacquiao from doing the same (as we know he does), many footwork movements, head movements, body movements, many accurate dodges... it was impressive, a very different boxing style from his last 3 fights.

What I disagree is that after 7th round Horn did many chokes and chokes+punching, a total illegal behavior in boxing could be warned 3x + punished by 1 point deduction or punished by 1 point deduction directly, but dirty referee saved him from it...

Agreed...the dirty ref should have docked Horn for head locks, elbows and general dirty tactics.

Not surprisingly the 3 judges were no-names because they have little experience judging world championship fights and even then most of their experience is in judging women's title bouts.

One of the worst decisions in a high-profile fight in recent memory.

Okay lets actually look at this-
Waleska Roldan has judged-
Gonzalez Vs Srisaket, Pedraza Vs Davis, Huck Vs Kucher (IBO), Takayama Vs Kano, Thurman Vs Porter - ALL in the last 13 month!
As well as Wilder Vs Szplika, Gonzalez Vs Vilorioa, Abraham Vs Steiglitz III, Walters Vs Mariaga, Abraham Vs Smith I, Takayama Vs Rodriguez, Nietes Vs Fuentes II, Alexander Vs Porter, Froch Groves I, Quillin Vs Rosado, Stieglitz Vs Ekpo, Kameda Vs Ambunda, Marinez Vs Burgos, Alexander Vs Bailey and Cleverly Vs Karpency

They also had Matthysse Vs Judah!
First bout judged more than a decade ago!

Ramon Cerdan has judged-
Parker Vs Ruiz, Inoue Vs Carmona, Klitschko Vs Fury, Flanagan Vs Zepeda, Narvaez Vs Garcia, Narvaez Vs Quijano, Narvaez J. Garcia, Narvaez Vs Cabrera, Narvaez Vs Zaleta, Narvaez Vs Briceno, Ramirez Vs Ismailov (and more)

First judged a bout back in 1998 and has close to 700 bouts on their ledger!

Chris Flores has judged-
Chris Flores did Argumedo Vs Mendoza, Troyanovsky Vs Obara, Kovalev Vs Chilemba, Selby Vs Montiel, Pungluang Vs Akaho, Benevidez Vs Paez, Tete Vs Kinoshita, Gradovich Vs Dib, Solis Vs Oliva, Vazquez Vs Dominguez, Garcia Vs Gutierrez,

Done 316 recorded bouts over more than a decade!

[Boxing Prospect]

Punch stats often tell the story of the fight. Especially when one guy landed more and harder punches.

When they are accurate they do...but they are rarely, if ever, accurate

I doubt they're ever 100% accurate hell that'd be damn near impossible to be honest with ya, but it would have to be off DRASTICALLY to make it so that Horn somehow got the better of it.

Let's just say that Horn landed 20 more punches than he was given credit for and Manny landed 20 less...that would still mean Manny outlanded him by 50.

If you have 4 minutes watch round 1 of Angulo Vs Kirkland, just count for 1 fighter...then compare to the official totals. They were MILES out for both fighters in terms of connects and thrown. Like they took something like 60 punches from Angulo's thrown and added 20-30 to Kirkland's. Angulo EASILY out threw Kirkland but the stats said the opposite.

[gilgamesh]

When they are accurate they do...but they are rarely, if ever, accurate

I doubt they're ever 100% accurate hell that'd be damn near impossible to be honest with ya, but it would have to be off DRASTICALLY to make it so that Horn somehow got the better of it.

Let's just say that Horn landed 20 more punches than he was given credit for and Manny landed 20 less...that would still mean Manny outlanded him by 50.

If you have 4 minutes watch round 1 of Angulo Vs Kirkland, just count for 1 fighter...then compare to the official totals. They were MILES out for both fighters in terms of connects and thrown. Like they took something like 60 punches from Angulo's thrown and added 20-30 to Kirkland's. Angulo EASILY out threw Kirkland but the stats said the opposite.

I saw Manny land more punches. I don't need punch stats for that. My eyes work just fine.

[Boxing Prospect]

Then you don't need "punch stats" to tell you anything ;)

[gilgamesh]

Then you don't need "punch stats" to tell you anything ;)

I don't.

[asdfjkl]

Just a couple of hours ago, before this match started, I wrote that I haven't seen the matches, but was surprised about the two other decision upsets. The Russian and the other guy were expected to dominate the Australians easely, somehow the judges said something else.
Now I haven't seen the Manny Paq fight either, but now I hear that's a very odd upset as well, you start wondering.

Remarkebly, my post and actually that whole topic got removed?! Now I'm not a kind of conspiracy guy, but if there will be none, or barely any footage of this fight on YouTube, I'm confident that this is another Ward type of scam.

Oh dear if only you had have watched. Mosley lost pretty convincingly i thought. They will have to make up a title for him to win i fear. By the way love seeing fighters with attitude celebrating before a decision only to lose it. As for the main event, it depended on who you gave the close rounds to IMO. I thought the tenth could have gone 10 - 8 also but either way it was close. The first score was ridiculous but the decision was a fair one otherwise. In my Opinion. Also i thought Mannys legs were gone after the tenth he looked spent in his corner at the break. Decision aside a great fight

Touissaint beat Mosley close but clear. Nothing wrong with that decision. I had it 77-75 for Touissaint.

And what about Umar Salamov and Damien Hooper? The rank 16 in his division vs the rank 75 in that same division from Australia?
I fully admit that I haven't seen anything, but I was surprised about the result, note that the rank 75 guy lost on KO against a 3 win 1 lose guy who currently has 6 wins 3 loses. An upset could always happen, but all 4 decision upsets in one event? That's rare at least.