What is the biggest p4p argument?

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Apr 2006, 08:08

Just checked migz top 10 thread and thought about this...

What is the biggest p4p argument? Here's a few which get under people's skin...

Who should rate highest?

Saddler-Pep
Charles-Moore
Duran-Leonard
Jofre-Harada

There are others, what are they and which one of these is the most contentious?

JC · Post by JC » 03 Apr 2006, 08:24

They rarely feature in lb4lb top tens but when ranking heavies there is usually an arguement over Tunney-Dempsey

edit: at first I wrote Tunney-Marciano, sorry Monday morning

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 03 Apr 2006, 08:25

Pep
Moore
Duran
I keep changing my mind on Jofre Harada..Leaning Harada today.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 03 Apr 2006, 11:51

I rate Moore over Charles, and Jofre over Harada. As for Saddler-Pep, that's a really hard one. I think an argument in favor of Pep or Saddler can be made (Saddler's got plenty of other impressive wins) And finally for Duran-Leonard, I rate Leonard higher, whether it's Sugar Ray or Benny. Ray beat the guys Duran couldn't, and Benny's resume is more impressive.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 03 Apr 2006, 12:04

People who don't have high KO totals are almost frowned upon in most P4P rankings. I think it's because theres a notion that P4P is a domination thing, and a KO is ultimate domination over another fighter. However, there have been many great defensive, and technically sound boxers who never carried a big punch because it didn't fit their style.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Apr 2006, 12:10

Seamus wrote:I rate Moore over Charles, and Jofre over Harada. As for Saddler-Pep, that's a really hard one. I think an argument in favor of Pep or Saddler can be made (Saddler's got plenty of other impressive wins) And finally for Duran-Leonard, I rate Leonard higher, whether it's Sugar Ray or Benny. Ray beat the guys Duran couldn't, and Benny's resume is more impressive.

Moore over Charles is a hard one for me to swallow. I know jaclem and Buzz debated the LH issue but this is different. Charles won the HW crown and only failed to win the LH crown because he was frozen out.

Duran was a smaller man than Ray Leonard and did more above LW than Benny.

Obviously it's all very close.

Anyone think of any other such tussles between clsoely linked all time greats?

dalek · Post by **dalek** » 03 Apr 2006, 12:35

duran was a lightweight so it stands to reason he couldn't beat some of the fighters ray could.his resume at 135 is as good as anyones and his p4p ranking only gets enhanced by his past prime weight achievments.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 03 Apr 2006, 13:45

Dalek

I have to disagree with you about Duran's record at LW. He beat one Hall of Famer at that weight. Benny Leonard beat 5 , and had the better of a 6th in a NC.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Apr 2006, 15:09

how can moore be over charles if charles was a better middleweight, light-H, and heavyweight than moore?

- charles also beat moore 3 times

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 03 Apr 2006, 17:28

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:how can moore be over charles if charles was a better middleweight, light-H, and heavyweight than moore?

- charles also beat moore 3 times

Even though Moore floored Marciano, Charles was much more competitive with "The Rock" than Archie was. Yeah, styles make fights, but I think this also puts Charles ahead of Moore. He was better suited to fighting the heavyweights than Moore, and I think as you said, the middleweights and light heavyweights.