Blodhemn wrote:Eh, the tourny winner will have serious clout in the all time ranking. We can do the fantasy thing of past legends all day. It's boring.
I agree. If Usyk wins I cant see how he's not in the cruiser ATG discussion.
Right now, after only 13 fights, he is #2 ATG CW (only Holy is above him).
crusader wrote:
I think he's generally rated quite highly here.
If anything, he's overrated here. I don't think he is, clearly a top 15 fighter in the world. But we have our JIP's and Valmar's that have him as a God.
Skillset - 10/10
Stamina - 10/10
Chin - 10/10
Cojones - 10/10
Punch power - 8/10
Am I wrong ?
Blodhemn wrote:Eh, the tourny winner will have serious clout in the all time ranking. We can do the fantasy thing of past legends all day. It's boring.
I agree. If Usyk wins I cant see how he's not in the cruiser ATG discussion.
Whoever wins. This thing is stacked. Wonder if Huck is done though. He just doesn't have it for these skilled guys. Still tough as nails and can land with authority but can't do much versus a sustained attack.
Smart move on Usyk's part to choose Huck, a quick, skilled, southpaw would always be a horrible match up for him.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
If anything, he's overrated here. I don't think he is, clearly a top 15 fighter in the world. But we have our JIP's and Valmar's that have him as a God.
Skillset - 10/10
Stamina - 10/10
Chin - 10/10
Cojones - 10/10
Punch power - 8/10
Am I wrong ?
ValMar wrote:
Skillset - 10/10
Stamina - 10/10
Chin - 10/10
Cojones - 10/10
Punch power - 8/10
Am I wrong ?
Yes, you're brutally wrong.
I suppose you are serious. What is wrong ?
I'm always serious. The one glaring issue is the 8/10 in power. He's more like a 5. The 10's across the board in the rest of the categories is a bit premature. You have him rated top 25 alltime in any weight class.
I'm always serious. The one glaring issue is the 8/10 in power. He's more like a 5. The 10's across the board in the rest of the categories is a bit premature. You have him rated top 25 alltime in any weight class.
I hope we'll be alive and healthy next year, and we'll see whether I am right or wrong.
crusader wrote:
I agree. If Usyk wins I cant see how he's not in the cruiser ATG discussion.
Whoever wins. This thing is stacked. Wonder if Huck is done though. He just doesn't have it for these skilled guys. Still tough as nails and can land with authority but can't do much versus a sustained attack.
Smart move on Usyk's part to choose Huck, a quick, skilled, southpaw would always be a horrible match up for him.
Best place to showcase his talent too. The Germans always pack the house for Huck.
Usyk is great but his lack of power in his punches would be a huge problem if he moves to HW - bigger, taller, stronger fighters will attack him with no respect because Usyk don't have that pop to bring that respect in HW.
ValMar wrote:
I suppose you are serious. What is wrong ?
I'm always serious. The one glaring issue is the 8/10 in power. He's more like a 5. The 10's across the board in the rest of the categories is a bit premature. You have him rated top 25 alltime in any weight class.
I hope we'll be alive and healthy next year, and we'll see whether I am right or wrong.
Huh? Next year we'll know that Usyk is the greatest fighter of all time if he wins this tourney?
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
I'm always serious. The one glaring issue is the 8/10 in power. He's more like a 5. The 10's across the board in the rest of the categories is a bit premature. You have him rated top 25 alltime in any weight class.
I hope we'll be alive and healthy next year, and we'll see whether I am right or wrong.
Huh? Next year we'll know that Usyk is the greatest fighter of all time if he wins this tourney?
ValMar wrote:
I hope we'll be alive and healthy next year, and we'll see whether I am right or wrong.
Huh? Next year we'll know that Usyk is the greatest fighter of all time if he wins this tourney?
I mean about HW......
Oh, got you, he can't beat Joshua. He could outbox him for a period until he gets smashed. He couldn't beat Wilder. Well, I shouldn't say couldn't, if he has the Heavyweight chin of Hagler he'd school Wilder. One thing I'll give you, he'd dominate Fury.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Usyk is really good, but I'm not getting the p4p accolades that many are giving him. We'll see in the next year, Joshua will smoke him.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Usyk is really good, but I'm not getting the p4p accolades that many are giving him. We'll see in the next year, Joshua will smoke him.
Why compare a heavyweight with a cruiserweight?
Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Huh? Next year we'll know that Usyk is the greatest fighter of all time if he wins this tourney?
I mean about HW......
Oh, got you, he can't beat Joshua. He could outbox him for a period until he gets smashed. He couldn't beat Wilder. Well, I shouldn't say couldn't, if he has the Heavyweight chin of Hagler he'd school Wilder. One thing I'll give you, he'd dominate Fury.
Fury is no more active boxer, if yes it would be 50/50 type of fight (the same case Fury-Joshua and Usyk-Joshua, of course fit Fury, and it is difficult to imagine). Ortiz, Wilder, fit Haye would be 60/40 Usyk.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Usyk is really good, but I'm not getting the p4p accolades that many are giving him. We'll see in the next year, Joshua will smoke him.
Why compare a heavyweight with a cruiserweight?
Huh? He's going to move up. Fair enough, Holyfield would beat him soundly at Cruiser.
Nobody knows if he Moves up. Right now he is cleaning out the division, a division which never looked any better than right now.
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