Does anyone think that Canelo won?

[JoeCorrao]

I had it a draw.

what round to who? I had it 9-3 GGG
GGG: 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11
SCA:2,3,12

[JoeCorrao]

Moderately bad robbery IMO

I'd say Whitaker/Chavez level robbery

[candyslim]

I like you Mr. Kalan!

He is p4p #1, which is precisely what pisses you both off.

I don't value your opinion. Don't be offended, but I think you are very stupid! No offense!

I'd love to know what you say to people when you really want them to be offended

[candyslim]

What worries me, is what exactly is the training these judges are receiving? They seem to think it enables them to judge a fight better than trainers and fighters.

I don't think the problem is a lack of training, poor eyesight, absence of knowledge or anything like that it's an absence of objectivity brought about by the knowledge that your future employment as a judge depends not on accurately scoring the fight, but on reaching the correct decision in the eyes of who it is that future appointment depends on. Teddy Atlas called it.

[candyslim]

Sorry. Can't help you I'm afraid.

A draw? I'd tell you what I think of that but I have no wish to be rude.

[Heretic]

What worries me, is what exactly is the training these judges are receiving? They seem to think it enables them to judge a fight better than trainers and fighters. Someone I know is now a world championship level judge and he scored the fight 6-6 and I've disagreed with his scoring the more experience he has had as a judge.

I remember CJ Ross arguing against the critisism by saying the people criticising her and hadn't received the level of training that she has. But judging is generally not hard, the good guys in the press seem to get it right more often than the judges as do fighters and trainers who don't let their own bias get in the way. So what exactly is this training teaching them? Because it's not teaching them to pick up on things that fighters and trainers would've missed during the fight. After all most judges are just super fans who get paid to watch their fights and input their (sadly wrong too often) opinion. Why is it that the 'experts' so often get it wrong? It has to come down training.

Canelo did fight well, but he didn't fight enough and his defence wasn't good enough to get away with the style he tried to employ. GGG outlanded him, took centre ring, controlled, dictated and forced the fight. Canelos power shots looked good but they had the same amount of effect as one of GGGs jabs which consistently snapped his head back. It's hard to be a boxing fan at times like this, the officials are either corrupt, incompetent or both. We are told by the media they went to war but Canelo save for some spurts spent the whole time on the back foot defending. It was a good fight but it wasn't a war and it wasn't a war because Canelo often refused to engage.

It seems as if now the only way to win a decision is to stay on the back foot, throw some flashy punches and it doesn't matter if your opponent is out throwing and landing you. Offensive boxing is treated as second class, GGG was very defensively sound on the front foot tonight but somewhere along the way people forgot that it's possible to be a great boxer, be defensively sound and still be aggressive. It seems anyone who is aggressive is now called a slugger despite how high level their skill may be.

When you have almost every trainer and fighter coming out and saying GGG was robbed and deserved the decision but judges are scoring it a draw or for Canelo, something is clearly wrong with their training. Judges do not and will never know more about boxing than the trainers and fighters and the fact they often seem to disagree with them says to me their training and how they score the fight needs to be looked at.

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[jezzamundo]

I think a draw is the closest you can have it without being very biased or incompetent.

I saw 6 clear rounds to GGG, 3 clear rounds to Canelo and 3 swing rounds that could go either way, though I had it 8-4 or 116-112 to GGG.

[candyslim]

Correctamundo Jezzamundo

I just wanted to say that but I can't make a case for a draw in all seriousness

[Badhusker]

Please Delete

[Loki]

I think a draw is the closest you can have it without being very biased or incompetent.

I saw 6 clear rounds to GGG, 3 clear rounds to Canelo and 3 swing rounds that could go either way, though I had it 8-4 or 116-112 to GGG.

That is spot on, but a draw was verging on robbery. This is exactly what boxing didn't need.

[Horse]

Fair result.

[dagilechia]

I had it 117-111 for GGG and Golovkin-Jacobs was closer fight than this. in GGG-Canelo we got a clear winner, GGG-Jabocs could go either way but Golovkin got the nod for scoring a KD (this fight i scored 115-112 for Golovkin)

It's sad that Don Trella scored a round 7 for Canelo, it was obviously GGG's round, if he scored it for Golovkin, then at least a winner would actually get the right decision.

[Badhusker]

For anyone to say Canelo won would be laughable, imo. I didn't think it was even close, except for 2 or 3 rounds.

[boxing_rocks]

https://twitter.com/riddickbowe/status/ ... 7360485376

[dickbelden]

NO

[JCS]

There were plenty of close rounds in this one... Didn't score it, but I clearly remember at least 4 rounds to Canelo. Finding 2 more would not have been a stretch.

I could buy a draw, but a Canelo win would be pushing it.

I guess I can see revisiting this one today.

[RScarf1]

In my opinion, it was a robbery even though it was scored a draw because GGG was robbed of victory. I scored 8 rounds for GGG (rounds 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11) and 4 rounds for Canelo (rounds 2, 3, 10, and 12). Canelo is not really pound for pound top ten. Canelo complained about Lara running away and that's mostly what he did. GGG was unfazed by Canelo's power punches as if they were nothing. Canelo was hurt several times by GGG even though he was shaking his head no.

[Thomastearns]

I haven't watched the fight yet, but I will on HBO next weekend. If I think the scoring was as bad as Kovalev-Ward 1, then I am done with boxing! I'll still research the history of the sport, but until these piss-poor judges are held accountable and banned from judging what's the point!

I feel the same way. For me without any integrity in the sport, it descends into a gruesome display of two adults inflicting brain damage upon each other. Courage, skill, and determination all get eroded at the stroke of a judges pen.

You can say what you like about Compubox, but I can't think of a single fight where I didn't prefer it over some of the actual judging.

Credit to Canelo, he was a revelation in his head movement, and followed the Daniel Jacobs strategy really well. If he hadn't run out of gas he could have pressed even more and pulled off a shock.

As it was he was gifting most of the rounds to GGG because of his low work rate. He was a poor man's Ray Leonard to GGGs Marvin Hagler.

Could also have done better in the interview at the end.

[dagilechia]

only Adelaide Byrd thinks so.

[Badhusker]

I didn't see one round where Canelo clearly outworked GGG. Flashy occasional combos is not enough to win rounds.
If you give Canelo More than 2 or 3 rounds you no doubt should have had Lara winning easily over Canelo. Canelo was less effective vs Lara than he was GGG.
GGG deserved the W.

[Badhusker]

The 118-110 score in this fight = the 114-114 score in the Floyd\Canelo fight. Both equally bad for boxing.

[dagilechia]

The 118-110 score in this fight = the 114-114 score in the Floyd\Canelo fight. Both equally bad for boxing.

not really since in May-Canelo winner actually won the fight which is not the case in GGG-Canelo fight. but both scores are disgusting of course.

[samdance]

I scored it 6-5 ggg (missed the first)
I gave Canelo 2,3,10,11&12 (10th wasn't easy to score for Canelo but was very impressed/surprised as I thought he was done before the round)
I was probably slightly biased as I had money on Canelo pts.

[RScarf1]

Anyone who scored GGG vs. Canelo as a draw or in favor of Canelo is an idiot and/or corrupt, so two of the judges were as well as any media who scored it this way.

[Lackeos]

Several people on boxrec seemed to give Golovkin round 1, but that was a very, very clear round for Alvarez. It's pretty weird that these people are claiming Golovkin got robbed when they are robbing Alvarez of a super obvious round on their own scorecards.