Best Heavyweight Prospects?

[Tomasino]

If someone thinks that for a boxer (especially mediocre boxer) dance training is good and improves his footwork better than actually a boxing training he is a troll or idiot

Not that I suggest it but Kostyra Tszyu and Joe Calzaghe both said dancing training was much harder than boxing training. Both were known for conditioning.

I'm sure Victor Ortiz came back in top form after dance training on Dancing with the Stars. I could see all those improvements when he got stopped by Berto.

who?

[KiwiRider]

A faster HW would have countered the heck out of Filip, no defence, all offence. A 5 years past his prime Love is not a yardstick.

There aren't really any fast, counterpunching heavies at the moment. In fact, there is basically one really good heavyweight who is currently active. The rest are pretty meh. Hrgovic will be top ten as soon as he wants to be.

OK. I would list Ruiez Jr, Kownacki, and a couple of others maybe not that fast as good counter puncher HW's. When I saw Filip wailing away, I saw a guy wide open to a counter. Love dosent have it in him anymore, but there are a few in the top 15 who do. Time will tell

[candyslim]

Anybody ever heard of this guy:
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/673904

6 KO wins in 70 days against 6 guys who all 6 got a winning record themself?! Most of them by KO in the first round?

On the picture he doesn't look that impressive, and I can't find much about him, but I can't name any boxer out there with 6 KO wins in 70 days.

Yeah I watched one of his two fights with Solomon Maye on you-tube but I wasn't at all impressed.

I've kept clear of this thread up until now as I wanted to give it some thought: Firstly you've got the obvious ones, WSB and top amateurs who have been discussed already ... Hrgovic, Teslenko, Sirenko, Yoka, Dychko, Rock, Joyce, Dubois, Afonin, Alfonso ... so I'll disregard them.

Then you've got guys who are already established or semi-established like your Carlos Negron,Trevor Bryan, Izuagbe Ugonoh, I'll disregard them.

Also those who aren't pushing on and/or have been a pro too long to be still thought of as a prospect ... Sergei Kuzmin, Bogdan Dinu, Tyrone Spong, Marcin Siwy, Michael Wallisch, Evgenios Lazaridis, LaRon Mitchell, the three Chinese guys ... many others.

Those too old to be considered prospects (top amateurs /WSB get a pass) like Greg Corbin, Onoriode Ehwarieme, Romarick Ngoula, Umut Camkiran, Rostislav Plechko ... etc

Those already mentioned like Nick Mazurek, Jermain Franklin, Krysztof Kosela, Mladen Miljas, George Arias, Martin Bakole Ilunga, Agron Smakici ... those who haven't really got started yet ... Facundo Cesar Ghiglione, Cassius Chaney, Pavel Doroshilov, Marcus Carter, Efe Ajagba and many more that have come up short, flattered to deceive, or fighting at Cruiserweight for the moment.

So who still makes the cut? I'm sure some should be disqualified by falling into the above categories ...but in no particular order ...

Willis Meehan, Stephan Shaw, Hussein Muhammad, Hasim Rahman Jnr., Uaine "Junior" Fa, Filiberto "Chiquilin" Tovar, Trey Lippe Morrison, Nathan Gorman, Mohamed Soltby, Pezhman Seifkhani, Pawel Wierzbicki, Hemi Ahio, Demsey McKean, Nahuel Martinez, Erzen Rrustemi, Sahret Delgado ... I think that'll do to be going on with. Feel free to point out any errors or omissions - no, not omissions, there will be loads of those.

[Mexi-Box]

Are you suggesting dancing cannot improve foot work?

Why don't we just have everyone dance instead of actually practicing their technique in the boxing ring. Man, this forum is full of idiots.

Mexi-Box, you aren't what they would call a creative thinker. No thinking out of the box for you.

Holyfield said he benefited greatly from ballet. Professional wrestlers and football players have benefited tremendously from yoga. Concentration can be improved by deep breathing.

There's a whole interesting world out there Mexi-Box.

A lot of it is bull, though. You get more results from practicing footwork rather than doing dance. Thing is it's a side-hobby that gets blown out of proportion when a fighter says something about it. Yoga isn't dance. Yoga is a different thing altogether.

It's like when Robert Guerrero took up crossfit. He said it helped him immensely. Should we say that everyone would get improvements from doing crossfit?

[Tony1244]

Why don't we just have everyone dance instead of actually practicing their technique in the boxing ring. Man, this forum is full of idiots.

Mexi-Box, you aren't what they would call a creative thinker. No thinking out of the box for you.

Holyfield said he benefited greatly from ballet. Professional wrestlers and football players have benefited tremendously from yoga. Concentration can be improved by deep breathing.

There's a whole interesting world out there Mexi-Box.

A lot of it is bull, though. You get more results from practicing footwork rather than doing dance. Thing is it's a side-hobby that gets blown out of proportion when a fighter says something about it. Yoga isn't dance. Yoga is a different thing altogether.

It's like when Robert Guerrero took up crossfit. He said it helped him immensely. Should we say that everyone would get improvements from doing crossfit?

Dancing can improve footwork. That was the original argument that you thought was idiotic and you were wrong there.

[punchoutsb]

Why don't we just have everyone dance instead of actually practicing their technique in the boxing ring. Man, this forum is full of idiots.

Mexi-Box, you aren't what they would call a creative thinker. No thinking out of the box for you.

Holyfield said he benefited greatly from ballet. Professional wrestlers and football players have benefited tremendously from yoga. Concentration can be improved by deep breathing.

There's a whole interesting world out there Mexi-Box.

A lot of it is bull, though. You get more results from practicing footwork rather than doing dance. Thing is it's a side-hobby that gets blown out of proportion when a fighter says something about it. Yoga isn't dance. Yoga is a different thing altogether.

It's like when Robert Guerrero took up crossfit. He said it helped him immensely. Should we say that everyone would get improvements from doing crossfit?

The only one who suggested giving up all other forms of training for dance was you. You seem to be an all or nothing kind of guy. Too bad you went the nothing route when it came to intelligence.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

That's what makes mexi a special kind of idiot. He argues for pages when he's dead wrong.

[lefty]

A faster HW would have countered the heck out of Filip, no defence, all offence. A 5 years past his prime Love is not a yardstick.

There aren't really any fast, counterpunching heavies at the moment. In fact, there is basically one really good heavyweight who is currently active. The rest are pretty meh. Hrgovic will be top ten as soon as he wants to be.

Ortiz could have fit in that category (hand speed rather than foot speed though as he's flat footed as hell) - his career is finished now though Id imagine.

[punchoutsb]

A faster HW would have countered the heck out of Filip, no defence, all offence. A 5 years past his prime Love is not a yardstick.

There aren't really any fast, counterpunching heavies at the moment. In fact, there is basically one really good heavyweight who is currently active. The rest are pretty meh. Hrgovic will be top ten as soon as he wants to be.

Ortiz could have fit in that category (hand speed rather than foot speed though as he's flat footed as hell) - his career is finished now though Id imagine.

I was stoked to see Ortiz/Wilder since it would have been Wilders best opponent by miles. But I've never thought much of Ortiz. He has one good win, lots of meh fights. Add in he's likely pushing 60 and addicted to PEDs and it's become a non issue.

[Mexi-Box]

Mexi-Box, you aren't what they would call a creative thinker. No thinking out of the box for you.

Holyfield said he benefited greatly from ballet. Professional wrestlers and football players have benefited tremendously from yoga. Concentration can be improved by deep breathing.

There's a whole interesting world out there Mexi-Box.

A lot of it is bull, though. You get more results from practicing footwork rather than doing dance. Thing is it's a side-hobby that gets blown out of proportion when a fighter says something about it. Yoga isn't dance. Yoga is a different thing altogether.

It's like when Robert Guerrero took up crossfit. He said it helped him immensely. Should we say that everyone would get improvements from doing crossfit?

Dancing can improve footwork. That was the original argument that you thought was idiotic and you were wrong there.

I haven't been wrong. You haven't given me anything other than fighters coming out saying that it helped them. I already said one fighter that went into dance and came out looking worse. Also gave you an example of another fighter saying crossfit helped him when it didn't. I can go all day. You have nothing really, no argument.

[lefty]

There aren't really any fast, counterpunching heavies at the moment. In fact, there is basically one really good heavyweight who is currently active. The rest are pretty meh. Hrgovic will be top ten as soon as he wants to be.

Ortiz could have fit in that category (hand speed rather than foot speed though as he's flat footed as hell) - his career is finished now though Id imagine.

I was stoked to see Ortiz/Wilder since it would have been Wilders best opponent by miles. But I've never thought much of Ortiz. He has one good win, lots of meh fights. Add in he's likely pushing 60 and addicted to PEDs and it's become a non issue.

Lol. I do wonder if he is really in his 40's.

[Mexi-Box]

Mexi-Box, you aren't what they would call a creative thinker. No thinking out of the box for you.

Holyfield said he benefited greatly from ballet. Professional wrestlers and football players have benefited tremendously from yoga. Concentration can be improved by deep breathing.

There's a whole interesting world out there Mexi-Box.

A lot of it is bull, though. You get more results from practicing footwork rather than doing dance. Thing is it's a side-hobby that gets blown out of proportion when a fighter says something about it. Yoga isn't dance. Yoga is a different thing altogether.

It's like when Robert Guerrero took up crossfit. He said it helped him immensely. Should we say that everyone would get improvements from doing crossfit?

The only one who suggested giving up all other forms of training for dance was you. You seem to be an all or nothing kind of guy. Too bad you went the nothing route when it came to intelligence.

Dance is a side-hobby that you idiots seem to get giddy over. It's like cycling. Any form of physical activity that keeps fighters in shape is great in the off-time. Sergio Martinez cycles, Pacquiao plays basketball, etc. It's not about improving footwork more than keeping these dudes in shape instead of exploding in weight like Bradley does.

If dance does all that, than can we say that basketball also improves footwork.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

There aren't really any fast, counterpunching heavies at the moment. In fact, there is basically one really good heavyweight who is currently active. The rest are pretty meh. Hrgovic will be top ten as soon as he wants to be.

Ortiz could have fit in that category (hand speed rather than foot speed though as he's flat footed as hell) - his career is finished now though Id imagine.

I was stoked to see Ortiz/Wilder since it would have been Wilders best opponent by miles. But I've never thought much of Ortiz. He has one good win, lots of meh fights. Add in he's likely pushing 60 and addicted to PEDs and it's become a non issue.

[lefty]

I think James Degale went to a prestigious drama school in his teenage years which had a lot of dancing involved. I'm sure he said that helped with his footwork aswell.

[punchoutsb]

A lot of it is bull, though. You get more results from practicing footwork rather than doing dance. Thing is it's a side-hobby that gets blown out of proportion when a fighter says something about it. Yoga isn't dance. Yoga is a different thing altogether.

It's like when Robert Guerrero took up crossfit. He said it helped him immensely. Should we say that everyone would get improvements from doing crossfit?

The only one who suggested giving up all other forms of training for dance was you. You seem to be an all or nothing kind of guy. Too bad you went the nothing route when it came to intelligence.

Dance is a side-hobby that you idiots seem to get giddy over. It's like cycling. Any form of physical activity that keeps fighters in shape is great in the off-time. Sergio Martinez cycles, Pacquiao plays basketball, etc. It's not about improving footwork more than keeping these dudes in shape instead of exploding in weight like Bradley does.

If dance does all that, than can we say that basketball also improves footwork.

You can't tell the difference between basketball and dance either? Good lord it's worse than I thought.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think James Degale went to a prestigious drama school in his teenage years which had a lot of dancing involved. I'm sure he said that helped with his footwork aswell.

Lomachenkos dad wouldn't train him boxing until he mastered Ukrainian dance. It was part of evanders training. Not for everyone, I doubt valuev would have got much out of tap dancing.

[lefty]

I think James Degale went to a prestigious drama school in his teenage years which had a lot of dancing involved. I'm sure he said that helped with his footwork aswell.

Lomachenkos dad wouldn't train him boxing until he mastered Ukrainian dance. It was part of evanders training. Not for everyone, I doubt valuev would have got much out of tap dancing.

Would have been funny as fornicate to watch though lol.

[lefty]

I just watched both debuts of Hrgovic and Dychko. I think I prefer the latter. Hrgovic looks quite clumsy looking to me whereas Dychko, even though he's huge, his footwork and balance looks a lot better imo. Hrgovic actually reminds me a little of Vitali in the way he moves. Obviously Vital ended up being a very good heavyweight, but that was also in part due to having a great chin. Time will tell if Hrgovic has that attribute himself.

[Mexi-Box]

The only one who suggested giving up all other forms of training for dance was you. You seem to be an all or nothing kind of guy. Too bad you went the nothing route when it came to intelligence.

Dance is a side-hobby that you idiots seem to get giddy over. It's like cycling. Any form of physical activity that keeps fighters in shape is great in the off-time. Sergio Martinez cycles, Pacquiao plays basketball, etc. It's not about improving footwork more than keeping these dudes in shape instead of exploding in weight like Bradley does.

If dance does all that, than can we say that basketball also improves footwork.

You can't tell the difference between basketball and dance either? Good lord it's worse than I thought.

Neither of you seem to tell the difference between boxing and dance.

I'm done. You're obviously too stupid to realize how dumb your arguments are.

[punchoutsb]

Dance is a side-hobby that you idiots seem to get giddy over. It's like cycling. Any form of physical activity that keeps fighters in shape is great in the off-time. Sergio Martinez cycles, Pacquiao plays basketball, etc. It's not about improving footwork more than keeping these dudes in shape instead of exploding in weight like Bradley does.

If dance does all that, than can we say that basketball also improves footwork.

You can't tell the difference between basketball and dance either? Good lord it's worse than I thought.

Neither of you seem to tell the difference between boxing and dance.

I'm done. You're obviously too stupid to realize how dumb your arguments are.

You've been done from the first time you attempted to post a coherent thought. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see the initial point. You don't fit that criteria.

Basketball and dance. Embarrassing

[Mexi-Box]

You can't tell the difference between basketball and dance either? Good lord it's worse than I thought.

Neither of you seem to tell the difference between boxing and dance.

I'm done. You're obviously too stupid to realize how dumb your arguments are.

You've been done from the first time you attempted to post a coherent thought. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see the initial point. You don't fit that criteria.

Basketball and dance. Embarrassing

Dance and boxing. Seriously, I have no idea how you can type on a keyboard, let alone run a damn computer.

[punchoutsb]

Neither of you seem to tell the difference between boxing and dance.

I'm done. You're obviously too stupid to realize how dumb your arguments are.

You've been done from the first time you attempted to post a coherent thought. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see the initial point. You don't fit that criteria.

Basketball and dance. Embarrassing

Dance and boxing. Seriously, I have no idea how you can type on a keyboard, let alone run a damn computer.

I thought you were done? But you've decided to make a quick comeback to brag on your stupidity again. Good for you!

[Mexi-Box]

You've been done from the first time you attempted to post a coherent thought. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see the initial point. You don't fit that criteria.

Basketball and dance. Embarrassing

Dance and boxing. Seriously, I have no idea how you can type on a keyboard, let alone run a damn computer.

I thought you were done? But you've decided to make a quick comeback to brag on your stupidity again. Good for you!

I'm done arguing any point with you; although, it wasn't much of an argument. It more like a one-sided beat down where you came out looking like a fool.

[punchoutsb]

Dance and boxing. Seriously, I have no idea how you can type on a keyboard, let alone run a damn computer.

I thought you were done? But you've decided to make a quick comeback to brag on your stupidity again. Good for you!

I'm done arguing any point with you; although, it wasn't much of an argument. It more like a one-sided beat down where you came out looking like a fool.

I'm not the one that can't differentiate between basketball and dance...or the one made the jump from "dancing can help footwork" to "boxers should only dance and not perform sports specific training"...or the one that said I'm done and then came whimpering back time and again to try and get a little more attention...or the one that said two anecdotal examples don't matter but one anecdotal example does...anyway, you've shot up the p4p list of worst boxrec posters. Sorry though, IronFrost is number one so you're stuck as number two yet again. I'm sure you're used to being called number two by now.

[Mexi-Box]

I thought you were done? But you've decided to make a quick comeback to brag on your stupidity again. Good for you!

I'm done arguing any point with you; although, it wasn't much of an argument. It more like a one-sided beat down where you came out looking like a fool.

I'm not the one that can't differentiate between basketball and dance...or the one made the jump from "dancing can help footwork" to "boxers should only dance and not perform sports specific training"...or the one that said I'm done and then came whimpering back time and again to try and get a little more attention...or the one that said two anecdotal examples don't matter but one anecdotal example does...anyway, you've shot up the p4p list of worst boxrec posters. Sorry though, IronFrost is number one so you're stuck as number two yet again. I'm sure you're used to being called number two by now.

You have quite the imagination, little one.

or the one that said two anecdotal examples don't matter but one anecdotal example does

As for this part, you totally can't read. I'm not about to break it down, though. Man, that just pretty much seals how stupid you are and how you can't read. As I said, this forum is filled with a lot of genetic retards. I'm actually glad a complete moron doesn't like me. If you did like my posting, I'd probably kill myself. That would mean I'm doing something wrong in life.