AJ did well but I think he's too one-dimensional; the stopage was ok-ish; prime Fury would toy AJ!

[Ossyrules]

Yes good posters let there emotions get the better of them with fury, and under estimate what having the biggest height and reach advantage in boxing and knowing how to use it. He moves extremely well for his size also and knows how to do 12 rounds. Cue Ali jokes and how silky fury is not.

He’s basically not as bad as is made out, and the argument Wlad did nothing is really quite simple in my view.

[tigermoth87]

Yes good posters let there emotions get the better of them with fury, and under estimate what having the biggest height and reach advantage in boxing and knowing how to use it. He moves extremely well for his size also and knows how to do 12 rounds. Cue Ali jokes and how silky fury is not.

He’s basically not as bad as is made out, and the argument Wlad did nothing is really quite simple in my view.

I think he's really underated. He's got good footwork, fast hands, switches his stance constantly, great stamina, great workrate, good ring IQ, uses his height and weight well and has such an awkward style he looks a nightmare to fight. He took solid fighters like Hammer and Chisora to pieces and Wlad had no idea how to fight him.

[gilgamesh]

I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

Yes I've heard of mental illness, My girlfriend has a history of mental illness, and has had stays in Mental Health clinics. In the case of Tyson Fury I don't buy it.

Tyson Fury certainly knows how to use his height to his advantage, but he doesn't have good movement and "excellent mobility". He's slow, and it's not hard to cut the ring off against him. Wladimir just didn't fight against him. That's all the story of that fight will EVER be no matter how many times you guys try to pretend it's something else.

If Tyson Fury comes back and actually manages to beat some credible opponents that are actively trying to defeat him I might be impressed. Frankly, I don't think he's capable of doing that.

[gilgamesh]

I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

Also for the record. I'm not blinded by an emotional reaction. I'm judging Tyson Fury based on his in-ring Boxing. I don't think much of him as a man either, but my critiques of him come from his performances in the ring.

[Ossyrules]

I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

Yes I've heard of mental illness, My girlfriend has a history of mental illness, and has had stays in Mental Health clinics. In the case of Tyson Fury I don't buy it.

Tyson Fury certainly knows how to use his height to his advantage, but he doesn't have good movement and "excellent mobility". He's slow, and it's not hard to cut the ring off against him. Wladimir just didn't fight against him. That's all the story of that fight will EVER be no matter how many times you guys try to pretend it's something else.

If Tyson Fury comes back and actually manages to beat some credible opponents that are actively trying to defeat him I might be impressed. Frankly, I don't think he's capable of doing that.

For being 6ft 9 and 250+ lbs, he does move well. It’s not whittaker before people start thinking that I think fury is the dancing queen, but his movement combined with being the biggest facker out there was his biggest strength.

Saying Wlad just didn’t fight isn’t really an argument mate

[gilgamesh]

For being 6ft 9 and 250+ lbs, he does move well. It’s not whittaker before people start thinking that I think fury is the dancing queen, but his movement combined with being the biggest facker out there was his biggest strength.

Saying Wlad just didn’t fight isn’t really an argument mate

[/quote]

It is if you watch the fight, and watch Wlad not fight.

Hell I could've put up a better effort than Wlad did. I should never watch a World Title fight and feel that way.

[Kalan]

For being 6ft 9 and 250+ lbs, he does move well. It’s not whittaker before people start thinking that I think fury is the dancing queen, but his movement combined with being the biggest facker out there was his biggest strength.

Saying Wlad just didn’t fight isn’t really an argument mate

It is if you watch the fight, and watch Wlad not fight.

Hell I could've put up a better effort than Wlad did. I should never watch a World Title fight and feel that way.[/quote]

What you're missing is Fury doesn't run, because he can defend himself extremely well.. He tried to fight Wladimir inside and with Wladimir doing nothing but trying to grab and hold -- which only got him spun around with Tony Weeks jumping in continually.. Weeks should have left them fight and warned Wladimir more about holding and getting turned around.. Wladimir made the fight a farce. Fury didn't... Fury ripped Dereck Chisora apart on the inside and stopped him.. Both Pulev and Whyte had VERY hard times with Chisora, so he's not a bad fighter.

Fury is a guy 6'9" tall with an inside game... He's suffering from mental illness and that's just something he has to deal with.

Buster Douglas suffered from mental illness as well.. "Fear of success" or whatever.. NOBODY who lets that kind of potential slide who's right in the head.

[gilgamesh]

What you're missing is Fury doesn't run, because he can defend himself extremely well.. He tried to fight Wladimir inside and with Wladimir doing nothing but trying to grab and hold -- which only got him spun around with Tony Weeks jumping in continually.. Weeks should have left them fight and warned Wladimir more about holding and getting turned around.. Wladimir made the fight a farce. Fury didn't... Fury ripped Dereck Chisora apart on the inside and stopped him.. Both Pulev and Whyte had VERY hard times with Chisora, so he's not a bad fighter.

Fury is a guy 6'9" tall with an inside game... He's suffering from mental illness and that's just something he has to deal with.

Buster Douglas suffered from mental illness as well.. "Fear of success" or whatever.. NOBODY who lets that kind of potential slide who's right in the head.

Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson in the greatest upset in the history of Professional Sports.

Tyson Fury won the Heavyweight Title in a staring contest.

No comparison between the two.

[jamamb]

furys win is already being forgotten. busters not at all.

[Kalan]

Fury is FAR from forgotten.. Fury even has a possible future -- and he's still undefeated.. Let's see if he can ever get his head on straight.

[Kalan]

Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson in the greatest upset in the history of Professional Sports...

Tyson Fury won the Heavyweight Title in a staring contest ... No comparison between the two.

When Fury was popping Klitschko in the face with jabs and right crosses -- and putting in body shots, there was a lot of staring going on from Wlad.. because Wladimir couldn't throw a punch without something coming back at him... Fury tried to make a fight of it and messed up Wladimir's face... But it wasn't a fight because Fury's own face barely a mark on it.. Fury didn't get knocked down by his much shorter adversary like Douglas.

Fury isn't normally an attacker.. His reach and range are pretty much unprecedented so he doesn't need to be.. He looks soft and not very strong -- and maybe that's why people dismiss him so much.. But usually guys his height aren't as coordinated and they don't have any speed. They're sloppy as fk.

Fury scored a major upset.. He can't help it if he is undefeated and wasn't a 42/1 underdog like Douglas.. Douglas was trounced many times so nobody had the slightest lick of faith in him.. Plus he was 10 X easier to hit than Tyson Fury.. Those are not demerits for Fury.

[Badhusker]

I give Fury as much credit as anyone beating a 39 or 40 year old Ali. Almost any heavyweight could have beat Wlad that night. The two were part of the worst heavyweight championship fight (any championship fight) in history as far as punches thrown and landed. Need I say more?

[Sagaroth]

What you're missing is Fury doesn't run, because he can defend himself extremely well.. He tried to fight Wladimir inside and with Wladimir doing nothing but trying to grab and hold -- which only got him spun around with Tony Weeks jumping in continually.. Weeks should have left them fight and warned Wladimir more about holding and getting turned around.. Wladimir made the fight a farce. Fury didn't... Fury ripped Dereck Chisora apart on the inside and stopped him.. Both Pulev and Whyte had VERY hard times with Chisora, so he's not a bad fighter.

Fury is a guy 6'9" tall with an inside game... He's suffering from mental illness and that's just something he has to deal with.

Buster Douglas suffered from mental illness as well.. "Fear of success" or whatever.. NOBODY who lets that kind of potential slide who's right in the head.

You again? Did you watch Pulev VS Chisora fight?

[Kalan]

I give Fury as much credit as anyone beating a 39 or 40 year old Ali. Almost any heavyweight could have beat Wlad that night. The two were part of the worst heavyweight championship fight (any championship fight) in history as far as punches thrown and landed. Need I say more?

Tyson Fury vs Waldimir Klitschko saw 602 punches thrown and 138 landed. That's a low count, but more thrown and landed than many other fights.

Mike Tyson vs Michael Spinks had one of the fewest landed punches of any Heavyweight Title Fight, which was 12 -- 10 by Tyson and 2 by Spinks.

Ali vs Liston 2 had very few punches thrown and landed.. Liston did not get a count from the referee.. Ali did not go to a neutral corner.. The fight was a travesty and a comedy of errors by the officials.. It was prematurely stopped.. Possibly the worse championship fight ever with he lowest attendance.

The Tommy Burns vs Jem Roche Title Fight reportedly had an extremely low punch count -- below 10.

Joe Louis vs Johnny Davis may have been the only 1-punch Heavyweight Title Fight.

Not sure how many punches landed in Ali vs Evangelista... It wasn't an edifying fight... Comedian Johnny Carson remarked, "This is hot off the wire folks -- Just announced -- Muhammad Ali and Alfredo Evangelista have just been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize -- for Promoting Non-Violence in Boxing"

[candyslim]

I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

Yes I've heard of mental illness, My girlfriend has a history of mental illness, and has had stays in Mental Health clinics. In the case of Tyson Fury I don't buy it.

Tyson Fury certainly knows how to use his height to his advantage, but he doesn't have good movement and "excellent mobility". He's slow, and it's not hard to cut the ring off against him. Wladimir just didn't fight against him. That's all the story of that fight will EVER be no matter how many times you guys try to pretend it's something else.

If Tyson Fury comes back and actually manages to beat some credible opponents that are actively trying to defeat him I might be impressed. Frankly, I don't think he's capable of doing that.

Also for the record. I'm not blinded by an emotional reaction. I'm judging Tyson Fury based on his in-ring Boxing. I don't think much of him as a man either, but my critiques of him come from his performances in the ring.

A man of Fury's size is never going to move like a featherweight but his movement and elusiveness compare favourably to any heavyweight currently active. Whatever criticisms you level at Fury, and there are plenty that can be made. that to me is self-evident. I'm sorry if you took exception to my description as an emotional reaction but I can only see a lack of objectivity based on your dislike of the man.

Fury wasn't remotely intimidated by Klitschko in the run up to his challenge and as you yourself have pointed out, Klitschko did not do a great deal in the fight. We shall have to agree to differ as to the explanation for that. There is no reason that Fury who had done such a good job of getting inside Klitschko's head and fukcing with him, would feel cowed by the prospect of a rematch and even if the rematch would have involved a systematic beating (which I'm sure it wouldn't) any professional heavyweight would be willing to risk that for the enormous payday involved. A man whose mind is perfectly healthy is not going to walk away from that, certainly not a man like Fury.

The way that Fury disposed of the likes of Chisora and Hammer are also indicative of a boxer not entirely devoid of talent. I'm not saying the guy is better than Joshua or Wilder necessarily, but he is one of a select few that I would give a respectable chance of beating them. If you can't see that there is nothing more I can say.

[Ossyrules]

I give Fury as much credit as anyone beating a 39 or 40 year old Ali. Almost any heavyweight could have beat Wlad that night. The two were part of the worst heavyweight championship fight (any championship fight) in history as far as punches thrown and landed. Need I say more?

Weird comment to make considering Ali was completely done at 39/40, and Wlad clearly wasn’t based on the Joshua fight. Wlad turned in a bad performance vs fury. How much Wlad was bad and how much it was fury made it bad is debatable.

Age is relative to the individual basically.

Additionally the bigger guys are, the less output they have. This doesn’t excuse the low output of that fight, but it’s a factor

[Badhusker]

I give Fury as much credit as anyone beating a 39 or 40 year old Ali. Almost any heavyweight could have beat Wlad that night. The two were part of the worst heavyweight championship fight (any championship fight) in history as far as punches thrown and landed. Need I say more?

Weird comment to make considering Ali was completely done at 39/40, and Wlad clearly wasn’t based on the Joshua fight. Wlad turned in a bad performance vs fury. How much Wlad was bad and how much it was fury made it bad is debatable.

Age is relative to the individual basically.

Additionally the bigger guys are, the less output they have. This doesn’t excuse the low output of that fight, but it’s a factor

[Ossyrules]

I give Fury as much credit as anyone beating a 39 or 40 year old Ali. Almost any heavyweight could have beat Wlad that night. The two were part of the worst heavyweight championship fight (any championship fight) in history as far as punches thrown and landed. Need I say more?

Weird comment to make considering Ali was completely done at 39/40, and Wlad clearly wasn’t based on the Joshua fight. Wlad turned in a bad performance vs fury. How much Wlad was bad and how much it was fury made it bad is debatable.

Age is relative to the individual basically.

Additionally the bigger guys are, the less output they have. This doesn’t excuse the low output of that fight, but it’s a factor

Sums you up. Clueless

[jamesmcdonnell]

I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

Yes I've heard of mental illness, My girlfriend has a history of mental illness, and has had stays in Mental Health clinics. In the case of Tyson Fury I don't buy it.

Tyson Fury certainly knows how to use his height to his advantage, but he doesn't have good movement and "excellent mobility". He's slow, and it's not hard to cut the ring off against him. Wladimir just didn't fight against him. That's all the story of that fight will EVER be no matter how many times you guys try to pretend it's something else.

If Tyson Fury comes back and actually manages to beat some credible opponents that are actively trying to defeat him I might be impressed. Frankly, I don't think he's capable of doing that.

Also for the record. I'm not blinded by an emotional reaction. I'm judging Tyson Fury based on his in-ring Boxing. I don't think much of him as a man either, but my critiques of him come from his performances in the ring.

A man of Fury's size is never going to move like a featherweight but his movement and elusiveness compare favourably to any heavyweight currently active. Whatever criticisms you level at Fury, and there are plenty that can be made. that to me is self-evident. I'm sorry if you took exception to my description as an emotional reaction but I can only see a lack of objectivity based on your dislike of the man.

Fury wasn't remotely intimidated by Klitschko in the run up to his challenge and as you yourself have pointed out, Klitschko did not do a great deal in the fight. We shall have to agree to differ as to the explanation for that. There is no reason that Fury who had done such a good job of getting inside Klitschko's head and fukcing with him, would feel cowed by the prospect of a rematch and even if the rematch would have involved a systematic beating (which I'm sure it wouldn't) any professional heavyweight would be willing to risk that for the enormous payday involved. A man whose mind is perfectly healthy is not going to walk away from that, certainly not a man like Fury.

The way that Fury disposed of the likes of Chisora and Hammer are also indicative of a boxer not entirely devoid of talent. I'm not saying the guy is better than Joshua or Wilder necessarily, but he is one of a select few that I would give a respectable chance of beating them. If you can't see that there is nothing more I can say.

I'd say fury is better than wilder, who has godawful technique.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He's definitely more fluid than Wilder. How much of an advantage that is when the power difference is that of a Mack truck compared to a tricycle can be debated.