WHO WINS? Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua

[wesshaw1985]

low output, ultra cautious wlad was perfect for fury to fiddle around with. a guy like wlad has serious power but hes so hesistant that hes beatable with a few punches a round style. thats not getting it done against a bulldozer like aj.

Fury made Wlad "low output and ultra cautious" and Fury would make the more inexperienced AJ exactly the same way...

Bullsh*t

"I'm not gonna use the R word here, but this thread would suggest to me that there's a certain...ahem...favoritism toward white fighters in the U.K."

that is "Bullsh*t" my friend...

[gilgamesh]

Fury made Wlad "low output and ultra cautious" and Fury would make the more inexperienced AJ exactly the same way...

Bullsh*t

"I'm not gonna use the R word here, but this thread would suggest to me that there's a certain...ahem...favoritism toward white fighters in the U.K."

that is "Bullsh*t" my friend...

It's the only explanation that makes sense to me, because there's damn sure no honest logical reason why anybody would pick Fury who's inferior in every single way to win a Boxing match against Joshua.

[gilgamesh]

Wait, wait..I take it back. He's taller. So that's one advantage Fury has. Other than that he's inferior in every single way.

[jamamb]

wait racism? really dont think thats it at all. fury and joshua are just so different personality wise and joshua has all the media love and hype and that naturally brings opposition. and i mean, as much as i disagree with the asssement, fury did have less trouble with wlad than aj did. i think its styles thing and has little bearing on aj-fury, but there is something that ppl can look at with the flawed but popular triangle logic to conclude that fury > aj. i mean thats stupid but not racist.

[gilgamesh]

wait racism? really dont think thats it at all. fury and joshua are just so different personality wise and joshua has all the media love and hype and that naturally brings opposition.

I don't know that it's it, just seems weird to me that people would have ever favored a guy who is the inferior fighter in every way in a Boxing match. Can't really think of any explanation other than that that would make sense.

[gilgamesh]

wait racism? really dont think thats it at all. fury and joshua are just so different personality wise and joshua has all the media love and hype and that naturally brings opposition. and i mean, as much as i disagree with the asssement, fury did have less trouble with wlad than aj did. i think its styles thing and has little bearing on aj-fury, but there is something that ppl can look at with the flawed but popular triangle logic to conclude that fury > aj. i mean thats stupid but not racist.

Of course he had less trouble with Wlad. Wlad didn't fight that night. Everybody would've had less trouble with Wlad if he just stared at 'em.

[jamamb]

fury isnt inferior in every way, at least when he wasnt a tub of lard. he has more length and is definitely a better mover. probably better jab too and he does use angles well. hed get run over eventually but he does/did some things better. lets not be totally ridiculous.

of course now he may be only half of what he was a fighter, and twice what he was in size

[wesshaw1985]

wait racism? really dont think thats it at all. fury and joshua are just so different personality wise and joshua has all the media love and hype and that naturally brings opposition. and i mean, as much as i disagree with the asssement, fury did have less trouble with wlad than aj did. i think its styles thing and has little bearing on aj-fury, but there is something that ppl can look at with the flawed but popular triangle logic to conclude that fury > aj. i mean thats stupid but not racist.

Of course he had less trouble with Wlad. Wlad didn't fight that night. Everybody would've had less trouble with Wlad if he just stared at 'em.

ok ok, Wlad had an off night and gifted Fury the titles

[gilgamesh]

wait racism? really dont think thats it at all. fury and joshua are just so different personality wise and joshua has all the media love and hype and that naturally brings opposition. and i mean, as much as i disagree with the asssement, fury did have less trouble with wlad than aj did. i think its styles thing and has little bearing on aj-fury, but there is something that ppl can look at with the flawed but popular triangle logic to conclude that fury > aj. i mean thats stupid but not racist.

Of course he had less trouble with Wlad. Wlad didn't fight that night. Everybody would've had less trouble with Wlad if he just stared at 'em.

ok ok, Wlad had an off night and gifted Fury the titles

You laugh, but that's what happened. Fury knows it too, why do you think he never went through with the rematch?

[lillywhite14]

Fury put the McDermott result right in the rematch. He lost the first fight, clearly, by 4/5 rounds imo, but as I say he put it right in the rematch and it’s so long ago now it’s not relevant.

As regarding the racist accusation above, Fury dethroned a long time world champion in his own backyard yet Joshua got more positive press coverage for beating Charles Martin! Joshua ticks all the boxes in the UK, where as Fury is from a background that is despised by the media in Britain, namely white working class and more importantly he doesn’t give a fvck for nobody and says what he likes and refuses to toe the line, throw in he’s a traveller and it’s no wonder the BBC and Daily Mail were itching to get amongst him!

If and when it ever happens I’d love to see Tyson win, if only to stick it to the middle class luvvies in the media that detest him

This is nonsense. Even on here it's all 'the Furys have always had money, don't worry about that ' stuff.

I agree people hate him because he's a traveller, but it's certainly not because he's white, and he's not working class at all if the financials people mention on here are anything to go by.

As for 'middle class luvvies' hating him, plenty working class people think he's a gimp as well. You get working class gay lads and women as well you know...

Money doesn’t determine class. The Fury’s are as ‘working class’ as you’ll ever meet.
‘People hate him because he’s a traveller’, that’s absolute racism there. Travellers are the only ethnic minority it’s ok to demonise in the UK. The media hate the white working class, by and large and you won’t see many who fit that criteria more than travellers ( in the media’s eyes anyway )

He explained his comments, as best he could, apologised a million times to anyone who took offence and even went on the BBC spoty show to say sorry. The irony eh? BBC...them pudenda sponsored peadophilia for nigh on 4 decades! Even now they hero worship pudenda like John Peel, absolute peado, yet they jumped all over Fury for his ill explained and misguided views.

Given Tyson’s Dad and uncle, I’m amazed that he and Hughie and the other young Fury’s haven’t ended up completely fvcked in the head and inside most of their adult life!

[wesshaw1985]

Given Tyson’s Dad and uncle, I’m amazed that he and Hughie and the other young Fury’s haven’t ended up completely fvcked in the head and inside most of their adult life!

Peter has always struck me as a decent fella and a positive influence in Tyson and Hughies careers...

[boxingknockout]

Fury put the McDermott result right in the rematch. He lost the first fight, clearly, by 4/5 rounds imo, but as I say he put it right in the rematch and it’s so long ago now it’s not relevant.

As regarding the racist accusation above, Fury dethroned a long time world champion in his own backyard yet Joshua got more positive press coverage for beating Charles Martin! Joshua ticks all the boxes in the UK, where as Fury is from a background that is despised by the media in Britain, namely white working class and more importantly he doesn’t give a fvck for nobody and says what he likes and refuses to toe the line, throw in he’s a traveller and it’s no wonder the BBC and Daily Mail were itching to get amongst him!

If and when it ever happens I’d love to see Tyson win, if only to stick it to the middle class luvvies in the media that detest him

Me too. I can stand those humourless arseholes with their self righteous and simplistic world view. I remember when there was sports personality of the year (which he should have clearly won) and some long jumper was quoted as saying he wouldn’t turn up (he did) because of Tyson’s ‘offensive’ comments. What a bellend.

Bollox. I have been in scrapes and say stupid ass shite myself, got a criminal record but also own a successful business now and have done for 18 years. Still liable to get in a tussle in the pub though. However I am also a father and I would not ever want my kids to think the crap Fury says (said back them) was or is ever acceptable. Being sensitive and considerate to other people is not a bad thing. My daughter nearly died from extreme anorexia and had to give up college, work and her whole life for 18 months while being treated and fought back to go to uni but is still not in the clear completely. This stems from stupid ffking shite that arseholes say to someone which go in, fester and cause extreme problems. So frankly, your dinosaur attitude is shite mate.

A rather simplistic, immature post. I’m sorry about your daughter and I feel for her completely. As a sufferer of mental health issues and feeling like a mixed up outsider and someone who has volunteered to help other sufferers (I know I’m not looking for sympathy)....But that argument should not be used as a reason to curtail thoughts and opinion. Life is unfair and tough and I don’t like it. But i believe it’s counter productive to stifle words.

[banjo]

Money doesn’t determine class. The Fury’s are as ‘working class’ as you’ll ever meet.
‘People hate him because he’s a traveller’, that’s absolute racism there. Travellers are the only ethnic minority it’s ok to demonise in the UK. The media hate the white working class, by and large and you won’t see many who fit that criteria more than travellers ( in the media’s eyes anyway )

He explained his comments, as best he could, apologised a million times to anyone who took offence and even went on the BBC spoty show to say sorry. The irony eh? BBC...them pudenda sponsored peadophilia for nigh on 4 decades! Even now they hero worship pudenda like John Peel, absolute peado, yet they jumped all over Fury for his ill explained and misguided views.

Given Tyson’s Dad and uncle, I’m amazed that he and Hughie and the other young Fury’s haven’t ended up completely fvcked in the head and inside most of their adult life!

Travellers are demonised because when they roll into town, things go missing.

[tobyh5]

Me too. I can stand those humourless arseholes with their self righteous and simplistic world view. I remember when there was sports personality of the year (which he should have clearly won) and some long jumper was quoted as saying he wouldn’t turn up (he did) because of Tyson’s ‘offensive’ comments. What a bellend.

Bollox. I have been in scrapes and say stupid ass shite myself, got a criminal record but also own a successful business now and have done for 18 years. Still liable to get in a tussle in the pub though. However I am also a father and I would not ever want my kids to think the crap Fury says (said back them) was or is ever acceptable. Being sensitive and considerate to other people is not a bad thing. My daughter nearly died from extreme anorexia and had to give up college, work and her whole life for 18 months while being treated and fought back to go to uni but is still not in the clear completely. This stems from stupid ffking shite that arseholes say to someone which go in, fester and cause extreme problems. So frankly, your dinosaur attitude is shite mate.

A rather simplistic, immature post. I’m sorry about your daughter and I feel for her completely. As a sufferer of mental health issues and feeling like a mixed up outsider and someone who has volunteered to help other sufferers (I know I’m not looking for sympathy)....But that argument should not be used as a reason to curtail thoughts and opinion. Life is unfair and tough and I don’t like it. But i believe it’s counter productive to stifle words.

Immature post? Yeah right. Sorry mate but some of the stuff Fury says is hugely offensive and personal attacks on people for beliefs and appearance and your post smacks of "Just toughen up buttercup, sticks and stones". Would love to see you sit in a room for 4 doctors when your daughter has fallen apart, is being told she will die and she does not care and then say "Look the person was just expressing their right to voice their opinion, just toughen up ey"

People like Fury saying these remarks, if unchecked, tell other people it is acceptable and they then copy and act the same way and then they say some stupid ass personal derogatory shite to people they come into contact with, and maybe that person is mentally ill anyway and it pushes them too far. Simplistic? It is real life and if you work with suffers of mental health, you should fcking well know it actually can start and stem from something that simplistic.

[dirk2686]

Thing is Fury can spend years laying into women and gay guys and it's all 'he's just speaking his mind/being himself/good old Tyson/refreshing to see some honesty/winds up the PC brigade.'

If Joshua turned round and said 'don't like pikeys, genuinely good for nothing except filling prisons and breaking the law, society would be better off if they were all shot' is that the same?

[Boxerbeetle]

I believe it was you my friend that started the immaturity with tongue comments but how and ever.
A prime Fury out boxes and decisions AJ everyday of the week, its quite simply a fact.
The question is, can Fury get back in prime shape. If yes, he schools him. If no, we have a fight...

Facts are things that have actually happened.

the facts are there. They have a common opponent.
Fury schooled (younger) Wlad.
(older) Wlad and AJ was a life and death fight.
Fury schools AJ.
The math is easy on this one...

Did you actually watch the Fury - Klitschko fight? The idea that Fury ‘schooled’ him is fvcking laughable, he barely got the decision in an abysmal fight.

[wesshaw1985]

Facts are things that have actually happened.

the facts are there. They have a common opponent.
Fury schooled (younger) Wlad.
(older) Wlad and AJ was a life and death fight.
Fury schools AJ.
The math is easy on this one...

Did you actually watch the Fury - Klitschko fight? The idea that Fury ‘schooled’ him is fvcking laughable, he barely got the decision in an abysmal fight.

AJ fanboy I take it?

[tobyh5]

Thing is Fury can spend years laying into women and gay guys and it's all 'he's just speaking his mind/being himself/good old Tyson/refreshing to see some honesty/winds up the PC brigade.'

If Joshua turned round and said 'don't like pikeys, genuinely good for nothing except filling prisons and breaking the law, society would be better off if they were all shot' is that the same?

Ha yeah pretty much. I know I come over as super over sensitive about this and a couple years back I was very much like "Feck me, say what you want, people like to be offended sometimes, sit and wait for something to jump on" but then, sitting through weekly sessions with doctors, shrinks and living with a daughter in the grip of an extreme mental illness, a daughter who was a typical teen - funny, smart, pretty, sarcastic, studious etc to then become a literal shell of the former girl, it gets you really really thinking about stuff and now, I can see how people saying the stuff Fury does is not acceptable as it sets an example of behaviour which will be allowed. If we reward a guy who talks so offensively (like letting him into SPOTY), we then cannot rein in kids doing the same stuff.

I used to just say that he can speak all the crap he wants, he is only harming his own career and sponsorship viability, but now, from experience, research, books, documentaries, sessions with doctors, mental illness forums etc which has been my unpleasant life for nearly two years as I struggle to get a handle on how my daughters life disintegrated, I can see how harmful and dangerous it is to just say, "Let Tyson say what he wants" - although it is a free country so sure, let him say what he wants but by god, do not applaud him for it or ever send out a message that society finds it acceptable

[samwbr]

Facts are things that have actually happened.

the facts are there. They have a common opponent.
Fury schooled (younger) Wlad.
(older) Wlad and AJ was a life and death fight.
Fury schools AJ.
The math is easy on this one...

Did you actually watch the Fury - Klitschko fight? The idea that Fury ‘schooled’ him is fvcking laughable, he barely got the decision in an abysmal fight.

Like an injured footballer who gets better the longer he is out this victory is being placed in the pantheon of all time great performances.

[dirk2686]

Facts are things that have actually happened.

the facts are there. They have a common opponent.
Fury schooled (younger) Wlad.
(older) Wlad and AJ was a life and death fight.
Fury schools AJ.
The math is easy on this one...

Did you actually watch the Fury - Klitschko fight? The idea that Fury ‘schooled’ him is fvcking laughable, he barely got the decision in an abysmal fight.

Exactly.

On average Fury landed an extra 2.8 punches per round. A proper schooling, say Mayweather Canelo, saw Floyd land an extra 8.75 per round.

The rose tinted specs are practically grafted on when it comes to some people and the Klitschko Fury fight.

[davie]

I'm not gonna use the R word here, but this thread would suggest to me that there's a certain...ahem...favoritism toward white fighters in the U.K.

Because I can't think of any logical reason why people would ever have picked Fury to beat Joshua.

Maybe Joshua gets his arm stuck in one of Tyson's fat rolls, and gets sucker punched with a cheap shot in the process?

Because the poll is a year and a half old

A year and a half ago, Joshuas last fight seen him wobbled at British level by Dillian Whyte and Fury's historic lineal title win over long reigning undisputed champion Wladimir Klitschko was still fresh in the memory.

I'm not going to use the I word here, but the fact that this outdated thread and poll still runs suggest to me that there's a certain...ahem...lack of actions by moderators

[banjo]

Would you people be so accepting of Fury's free speech if he was chucking the term "ni**er" about?

[wesshaw1985]

Fury landed less then 3 punches per round more than Wlad did.....and Wes calls it a schooling. It's clear he hasn't seen the fight so we'll give him a pass.

Perhaps he has seen the fight where Fury punched himself in the face? Or the one where he got dropped by light hitting cruiserweight Steve Cunningham?

I must be the only person that has ever referred to Furys win over Wlad as a schooling

Perhaps you have seen the fight where Joshua got dropped by Wlad? Or the one where he got wobbled by light hitting Dillian Whyte?

[mickey1975]

Thing is Fury can spend years laying into women and gay guys and it's all 'he's just speaking his mind/being himself/good old Tyson/refreshing to see some honesty/winds up the PC brigade.'

If Joshua turned round and said 'don't like pikeys, genuinely good for nothing except filling prisons and breaking the law, society would be better off if they were all shot' is that the same?

How many jails have you been in?

[dirk2686]

Thing is Fury can spend years laying into women and gay guys and it's all 'he's just speaking his mind/being himself/good old Tyson/refreshing to see some honesty/winds up the PC brigade.'

If Joshua turned round and said 'don't like pikeys, genuinely good for nothing except filling prisons and breaking the law, society would be better off if they were all shot' is that the same?

How many jails have you been in?

Let me hazard a guess at 'less than you.'