Most "bad people" boxing has seen?

[Ruthless-RKO]

James Butler deserves a mention. He's the one famous for breaking his opponents jaw with a sucker punch after the fight had finished and gloves had been removed at a September 11 Fireman & policemen charity boxing event.

Butler was being helped out by Max Kellerman's brother Sam and staying in his apartment. Butler murdered him with a hammer then set the apartment on fire and stole Sam's car.

Yup, the sucker punch was just simply bad! and then he kills Sam, I knew he killed him, but I didn't know there were staying together, nor that he killed him with a hammer.

[DrDuke]

Are you seriously comparing the above to the other stuff here?
Wow, that's Demented.

Sorry, I'm not that specialized in crap like you seem to be. I've just listed an example, compare it with other sorts of crap yourself.

Comparing verbal insults to sell tickets to rape, murder, and incest makes you the King of Crap.

Do you notice All other examples are violent felonies?

Ali's verbal insults against Frazier went pretty far from being just trash talk. Watch "Thrilla in Manila" documentary to know some facts before making conclusions.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Bernard Hopkins

At the age of 17, he was sentenced to 18 years in Graterford State Penitentiary for nine felonies including armed robbery. He was released after five years in 1988. The story of his final discharge has become legendary in boxing circles.

When the warden told Hopkins that he'd see him again, Hopkins replied, "I ain't ever coming back here."

[Tony1244]

Sorry, I'm not that specialized in crap like you seem to be. I've just listed an example, compare it with other sorts of crap yourself.

Comparing verbal insults to sell tickets to rape, murder, and incest makes you the King of Crap.

Do you notice All other examples are violent felonies?

Ali's verbal insults against Frazier went pretty far from being just trash talk. Watch "Thrilla in Manila" documentary to know some facts before making conclusions.

Then list what Ali did that was so terrible. Go on....

[DrDuke]

Comparing verbal insults to sell tickets to rape, murder, and incest makes you the King of Crap.

Do you notice All other examples are violent felonies?

Ali's verbal insults against Frazier went pretty far from being just trash talk. Watch "Thrilla in Manila" documentary to know some facts before making conclusions.

Then list what Ali did that was so terrible. Go on....

He had appealed to the public displaying Frazier as kinda traitor of his race, what had actually lead to public response. When Frazier's son was beaten up in school just for being his son or when there were threats to blow up Joe's house (the house even was protected by the police for some time), it's pretty stupid to justify Ali's words as just pre-fight hype.

[Cent0089]

Bernard Hopkins

At the age of 17, he was sentenced to 18 years in Graterford State Penitentiary for nine felonies including armed robbery. He was released after five years in 1988. The story of his final discharge has become legendary in boxing circles.

When the warden told Hopkins that he'd see him again, Hopkins replied, "I ain't ever coming back here."

Does anybody know what was other felonies of Hopkins? James Butler, damn i hope he is still in prison

[Shirow]

Bernard Hopkins

At the age of 17, he was sentenced to 18 years in Graterford State Penitentiary for nine felonies including armed robbery. He was released after five years in 1988. The story of his final discharge has become legendary in boxing circles.

When the warden told Hopkins that he'd see him again, Hopkins replied, "I ain't ever coming back here."

Does anybody know what was other felonies of Hopkins? James Butler, damn i hope he is still in prison

According to Wikipedia Butler term is until 2035. Hopefully he serves it in full.

[Tony1244]

Ali's verbal insults against Frazier went pretty far from being just trash talk. Watch "Thrilla in Manila" documentary to know some facts before making conclusions.

Then list what Ali did that was so terrible. Go on....

He had appealed to the public displaying Frazier as kinda traitor of his race, what had actually lead to public response. When Frazier's son was beaten up in school just for being his son or when there were threats to blow up Joe's house (the house even was protected by the police for some time), it's pretty stupid to justify Ali's words as just pre-fight hype.

Ali was obnoxious and said stupid things. But we are all sometimes obnoxious and say stupid things, but most of us don't commit incest, arson, or kill or rape people.

I think if you read every post in this thread you'll see comparing Ali's insults to Frazier, which granted were nasty, pale in comparison to these other individual's antics.

[gilgamesh]

Carlos Monzón was shot by his wife after an argument..

Carlos Monzón then killed his wife.

In all fairness there I'd kill somebody that shot me too. You only get one chance to try to kill me. If you failed, I won't.

[gilgamesh]

James Butler deserves a mention. He's the one famous for breaking his opponents jaw with a sucker punch after the fight had finished and gloves had been removed at a September 11 Fireman & policemen charity boxing event.

Butler was being helped out by Max Kellerman's brother Sam and staying in his apartment. Butler murdered him with a hammer then set the apartment on fire and stole Sam's car.

Yeah Butler is definitely a piece of sh*t.

[Tony1244]

Carlos Monzón was shot by his wife after an argument..

Carlos Monzón then killed his wife.

In all fairness there I'd kill somebody that shot me too. You only get one chance to try to kill me. If you failed, I won't.

In all fairness, I think Monzon was physically abusing the crap out of her.

[DrDuke]

Then list what Ali did that was so terrible. Go on....

He had appealed to the public displaying Frazier as kinda traitor of his race, what had actually lead to public response. When Frazier's son was beaten up in school just for being his son or when there were threats to blow up Joe's house (the house even was protected by the police for some time), it's pretty stupid to justify Ali's words as just pre-fight hype.

Ali was obnoxious and said stupid things. But we are all sometimes obnoxious and say stupid things, but most of us don't commit incest, arson, or kill or rape people.

I think if you read every post in this thread you'll see comparing Ali's insults to Frazier, which granted were nasty, pale in comparison to these other individual's antics.

Yet I've never said, that Ali's actions were equal to kill or rape, or smth of that kind. I've just said, that they weren't good, they crossed the line of common verbal pre-fight battle in case of Frazier.

[gilgamesh]

Carlos Monzón was shot by his wife after an argument..

Carlos Monzón then killed his wife.

In all fairness there I'd kill somebody that shot me too. You only get one chance to try to kill me. If you failed, I won't.

In all fairness, I think Monzon was physically abusing the crap out of her.

Meaning I'd probably never get shot by my girlfriend in the first place, because she'd have no reason to shoot me. This was one of those "Just sayin'" type comments.

[Tony1244]

He had appealed to the public displaying Frazier as kinda traitor of his race, what had actually lead to public response. When Frazier's son was beaten up in school just for being his son or when there were threats to blow up Joe's house (the house even was protected by the police for some time), it's pretty stupid to justify Ali's words as just pre-fight hype.

Ali was obnoxious and said stupid things. But we are all sometimes obnoxious and say stupid things, but most of us don't commit incest, arson, or kill or rape people.

I think if you read every post in this thread you'll see comparing Ali's insults to Frazier, which granted were nasty, pale in comparison to these other individual's antics.

Yet I've never said, that Ali's actions were equal to kill or rape, or smth of that kind. I've just said, that they weren't good, they crossed the line of common verbal pre-fight battle in case of Frazier.

Ali can't be responsible for Frazier's kid being picked on in school. Kids are picked on in school for all or any reason. I think calling Frazier ugly or stupid was normal banter. Ali admitted to picking that stuff up from wrestling.

But yes, I think Ali crossed the line with the race stuff. Ironically, Ali had lighter skin and loads of white friends, not to mention mostly white trainers.

So yes Ali was full of crap, but hardly a bad person.

[greg]

..I agree that one should differentiate between being an ass*ole/clown/big-mouth, etc.. AND a convicted criminal..

[Ruthless-RKO]

..I agree that one should differentiate between being an ass*ole/clown/big-mouth, etc.. AND a convicted criminal..

Yeh, with this thread, I wasn't looking for pre-fight trash etc. Where there might be a valid claim he went too far in terms of trash talk.. it doesn't belong here.

[Stuarty]

Edwin Valero had flaws

That's an understatement

[Tony1244]

I think a poster here misconstrued "bad" for it's slang term.
Language barrier.

[Nightmare Roy]

Edwin Valero had flaws

That's an understatement

sure he loved his Mum though.

[watsupdoc87]

Was just reading about a boxer james scott who had many of his bout including beating wbas no. 1 contender while in prison and at least 4 of his fights were televised from prison. Eventually after smaller sentences he got lifed off. Lost to muhamed quawi in one of his prison bouts.

[Nightmare Roy]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... nythompson
If this is true, I guess it brings Mills character in to question somewhat

[Tony1244]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... nythompson
If this is true, I guess it brings Mills character in to question somewhat

I had like a 2 second brain fart where I read that as Mills Lane. Him murdering 8 women?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Was just reading about a boxer james scott who had many of his bout including beating wbas no. 1 contender while in prison and at least 4 of his fights were televised from prison. Eventually after smaller sentences he got lifed off. Lost to muhamed quawi in one of his prison bouts.

From 78' having not fought in 3 years. Fought the remainder of his fights at Rahway State Prison..

But why was he in Prison?

[Nightmare Roy]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... nythompson
If this is true, I guess it brings Mills character in to question somewhat

I had like a 2 second brain fart where I read that as Mills Lane. Him murdering 8 women?

he was a scary dude though.

[watsupdoc87]

Was just reading about a boxer james scott who had many of his bout including beating wbas no. 1 contender while in prison and at least 4 of his fights were televised from prison. Eventually after smaller sentences he got lifed off. Lost to muhamed quawi in one of his prison bouts.

From 78' having not fought in 3 years. Fought the remainder of his fights at Rahway State Prison..

But why was he in Prison?

Looks luke he done afew stints for robbery and got in2 boxing in prison. Got out, back in for robbery and a hung jury on a murder charge. Continued his carrer inside and subsequently retried for the murder and found guilty.