Most "bad people" boxing has seen?

[Kalan]

I love Dylan's song "Hurricane."

The use of harmonica is outstanding.

More than 40 years after it was released I still play it on bar jukeboxes.

But Dylan made Carter out to be some genteel gift to society instead of the thug he really was:
"Ruben could take a man out with just one punch, but he never really liked to talk about it all that much
'It's my work,' he'd say, 'And I do it for pay. And when it's all over I'd just as soon go in my way.'

"Up to some paradise, where the trout streams flow and the air is nice. And ride a horse along a trail, until they took him to the jailhouse where they tried to turn a man into a mouse "

Somehow I can't picture bad ass, ghetto dwelling Ruben Carter going horseback riding in some Shangri-La setting.

Dylan made Carter, who spent much of his pre-boxing youth in various detention centers, sound like Jesus Christ incarnate.

Speaking of horses and the murderer, Ruben Carter, that the Hollywood crowd loves so much...he once sucker punched an unsuspecting horse and caused it to crumple to the ground.

In retrospect, Hurricane was likely guilty

He was innocent as a new born baby of the crimes he was accused of.

Several Canadians believed in Rubin Carter's innocence so much that they sacrificed years of their lives to free him... That’s why Denzel was so taken with the script. These people who didn’t know Carter painstakingly compiled a record of the lies, paid off witnesses, and manufactured evidence that corrupt police and prosecutors complied to frame Carter... Carter had to get out of the corrupt state court system and take his case to the federal courts to get justice...

His last ditch shot was very conservative Federal Judge H. Lee Sarokin... Once you appeal to the Federal system from state court you get one (1) shot... If you don't win you're dead.

However all the facts were undeniable and all in Carter's favor... There wasn’t a scintilla of credible evidence against him. Nothing stood up to the least scrutiny.

Judge Sarokin was so incensed at the racism and coaching of witnesses who later changed their stories, and the revamping and coordination of police reports, that he ordered Carter freed immediately on a Writ of Habeas Corpus.

Habeas Corpus is a recourse in US law where a person unlawfully imprisoned can be released immediately..,. It’s a harsh and dramatic step.... Had the prosecutors and police believed in their case they could have appealed, but they would have to defend their lies and manipulations in court and be subject to prosecution for perjury.

Needless to say they didn’t dare challenge Sarokin’s ruling… That’s why Denzel Washington wanted to do the movie… A lot of the courtroom drama was acted out directly from court transcripts.... It’s one of those decades long legal fights that have a happy ending.... John Travolta and Julia Roberts also did movies involving high profile legal battles where the little guy beat down the multi-million dollar legal teams of corporate giants... They all were gripping.

[TheGman]

Mike Tyson - Rapist? Biting an ear?

Convicted but i dont think he raped anyone,americas justice system has previous so id go with not guilty on that front.

[TheGman]

Gerald mcClellan deserves a mention,he used to tie dogs mouths up and let his pitbull attack and kill them

[jamamb]

yep gerald was a piece of sh!t. call me a bad person but i dont feel bad at all for what happened to him. it just got ppl feeling bad for him rather than seeing what an awful person he was. hes now defenseless like those dogs, i wonder if anyone will attack him and torture him, though can he even still feel.

at least he was allowed to defend himself vs benn before benn bashed him in and his career.

[Enlightened-One]

Mike Tyson - Rapist? Biting an ear?

Convicted but i dont think he raped anyone,americas justice system has previous so id go with not guilty on that front.

Mike Tyson is just like the vast majority of felons that doggedly maintain their innocence rather than admit their guilt. I seem to recall more than 80% of criminals maintaining their innocence regardless the amount of insurmountable evidence against them.

I can’t remember where I read this, but I seem to think the percentage of those convicted of felonies that were subsequently deemed to be innocent, due to errors in their cases, was 5%, meaning there’s a 95% chance that Iron Mike actually rápéd Desiree Washington.

For sure, you can use your “faith” in a religious type manner to somehow declare Mike Tyson of being innocent of committing any wrongdoing and allege that his imprisonment was simply due to a miscarriage of justice, but you weren’t a member of the jury that worked on his trial, so your opinion on this matter is meaningless.

Like you, I’d personally prefer to “believe” that Tyson wasn’t a rápíst, because that’s a nicer situation than we’re faced with in reality, but then again, this would be like believing that other myths and legends were true, such as: fairies, the afterlife, reincarnation, the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot etc.

[TheGman]

yep gerald was a piece of sh!t. call me a bad person but i dont feel bad at all for what happened to him. it just got ppl feeling bad for him rather than seeing what an awful person he was. hes now defenseless like those dogs, i wonder if anyone will attack him and torture him, though can he even still feel.

at least he was allowed to defend himself vs benn before benn bashed him in and his career.

Did he ever feel? He was a monsterous puncher in the ring and a good fighter but when i read about what he used to do with them dogs i couldnt give a flying fck about him

[TheGman]

Mike Tyson - Rapist? Biting an ear?

Convicted but i dont think he raped anyone,americas justice system has previous so id go with not guilty on that front.

Mike Tyson is just like the vast majority of felons that doggedly maintain their innocence rather than admit their guilt. I seem to recall more than 80% of criminals maintaining their innocence regardless the amount of insurmountable evidence against them.

I can’t remember where I read this, but I seem to think the percentage of those convicted of felonies that were subsequently deemed to be innocent, due to errors in their cases, was 5%, meaning there’s a 95% chance that Iron Mike actually rápéd Desiree Washington.

For sure, you can use your “faith” in a religious type manner to somehow declare Mike Tyson of being innocent of committing any wrongdoing and allege that his imprisonment was simply due to a miscarriage of justice, but you weren’t a member of the jury that worked on his trial, so your opinion on this matter is meaningless.

Like you, I’d personally prefer to “believe” that Tyson wasn’t a rápíst, because that’s a nicer situation than we’re faced with in reality, but then again, this would be like believing that other myths and legends were true, such as: fairies, the afterlife, reincarnation, the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot etc.

I dont know if your percentages are true but i can only go off what i believe to be true and that it that there are alot of innocent people and have been a lot of innocent ppl in jail,just goin off a personal situation my dad broke down and was walking home he had tried to fix the car roadside but couldnt ling story shirt the cops pulled him walkin home he had a screw driver in his pocket from trying to fix the car he got nicked for goin equipped when he went to court they had the screw driver all bent and twisted(nothow the got it off my dad) he got 6 months in jail,thats 6 months off his life because police arnt doing their job properly. There are hundreds of people who have gone to the chair wrongfully so lets work out them percentages then we can compare yours to the real ones hey

[Enlightened-One]

Convicted but i dont think he raped anyone,americas justice system has previous so id go with not guilty on that front.

Mike Tyson is just like the vast majority of felons that doggedly maintain their innocence rather than admit their guilt. I seem to recall more than 80% of criminals maintaining their innocence regardless the amount of insurmountable evidence against them.

I can’t remember where I read this, but I seem to think the percentage of those convicted of felonies that were subsequently deemed to be innocent, due to errors in their cases, was 5%, meaning there’s a 95% chance that Iron Mike actually rápéd Desiree Washington.

For sure, you can use your “faith” in a religious type manner to somehow declare Mike Tyson of being innocent of committing any wrongdoing and allege that his imprisonment was simply due to a miscarriage of justice, but you weren’t a member of the jury that worked on his trial, so your opinion on this matter is meaningless.

Like you, I’d personally prefer to “believe” that Tyson wasn’t a rápíst, because that’s a nicer situation than we’re faced with in reality, but then again, this would be like believing that other myths and legends were true, such as: fairies, the afterlife, reincarnation, the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot etc.

I dont know if your percentages are true but i can only go off what i believe to be true and that it that there are alot of innocent people and have been a lot of innocent ppl in jail,just goin off a personal situation my dad broke down and was walking home he had tried to fix the car roadside but couldnt ling story shirt the cops pulled him walkin home he had a screw driver in his pocket from trying to fix the car he got nicked for goin equipped when he went to court they had the screw driver all bent and twisted(nothow the got it off my dad) he got 6 months in jail,thats 6 months off his life because police arnt doing their job properly. There are hundreds of people who have gone to the chair wrongfully so lets work out them percentages then we can compare yours to the real ones hey

Are you really trying to justify your belief about Mike Tyson’s innocence by citing a completely independent event?

What you’ve just said is much akin to coin tossing. The probability of the coin landing on heads or tails is not affected by previous tosses.

It’s like saying that it rains heavily in New Zealand, therefore it must also rain heavily in the Sahara Desert.

Come one, I think you can do better than that!

[greg]

Mike Tyson is just like the vast majority of felons that doggedly maintain their innocence rather than admit their guilt. I seem to recall more than 80% of criminals maintaining their innocence regardless the amount of insurmountable evidence against them.

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Like you, I’d personally prefer to “believe” that Tyson wasn’t a rápíst, because that’s a nicer situation than we’re faced with in reality, but then again, this would be like believing that other myths and legends were true, such as: fairies, the afterlife, reincarnation, the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot etc.

...smart of you not to mention Santa Claus.. obviously to avoid the criticism of some kiddies and senior citizens around here ... anyway, I agree that the convicts are often in self-denial subconsciously or otherwise...

[TheGman]

Mike Tyson is just like the vast majority of felons that doggedly maintain their innocence rather than admit their guilt. I seem to recall more than 80% of criminals maintaining their innocence regardless the amount of insurmountable evidence against them.

I can’t remember where I read this, but I seem to think the percentage of those convicted of felonies that were subsequently deemed to be innocent, due to errors in their cases, was 5%, meaning there’s a 95% chance that Iron Mike actually rápéd Desiree Washington.

For sure, you can use your “faith” in a religious type manner to somehow declare Mike Tyson of being innocent of committing any wrongdoing and allege that his imprisonment was simply due to a miscarriage of justice, but you weren’t a member of the jury that worked on his trial, so your opinion on this matter is meaningless.

Like you, I’d personally prefer to “believe” that Tyson wasn’t a rápíst, because that’s a nicer situation than we’re faced with in reality, but then again, this would be like believing that other myths and legends were true, such as: fairies, the afterlife, reincarnation, the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot etc.

I dont know if your percentages are true but i can only go off what i believe to be true and that it that there are alot of innocent people and have been a lot of innocent ppl in jail,just goin off a personal situation my dad broke down and was walking home he had tried to fix the car roadside but couldnt ling story shirt the cops pulled him walkin home he had a screw driver in his pocket from trying to fix the car he got nicked for goin equipped when he went to court they had the screw driver all bent and twisted(nothow the got it off my dad) he got 6 months in jail,thats 6 months off his life because police arnt doing their job properly. There are hundreds of people who have gone to the chair wrongfully so lets work out them percentages then we can compare yours to the real ones hey

Are you really trying to justify your belief about Mike Tyson’s innocence by citing a completely independent event?

What you’ve just said is much akin to coin tossing. The probability of the coin landing on heads or tails is not affected by previous tosses.

It’s like saying that it rains heavily in New Zealand, therefore it must also rain heavily in the Sahara Desert.

Come one, I think you can do better than that!

You came up with percentages plucked out of thin air,im goung off first hand incidents,watch 14 days in may my friend that is truth not just some random boxing fan pulling % out of their own ass,yes i agree that a large percentage(of which i dont know so im not gonna just pluck out the sky)think they are innocent but there a lot that are innocent not just think they are

[Kalan]

Mike Tyson - Rapist? Biting an ear?

Convicted but i dont think he raped anyone,americas justice system has previous so id go with not guilty on that front.

Mike Tyson is just like the vast majority of felons that doggedly maintain their innocence rather than admit their guilt. I seem to recall more than 80% of criminals maintaining their innocence regardless the amount of insurmountable evidence against them.

I can’t remember where I read this, but I seem to think the percentage of those convicted of felonies that were subsequently deemed to be innocent, due to errors in their cases, was 5%, meaning there’s a 95% chance that Iron Mike actually rápéd Desiree Washington.

For sure, you can use your “faith” in a religious type manner to somehow declare Mike Tyson of being innocent of committing any wrongdoing and allege that his imprisonment was simply due to a miscarriage of justice, but you weren’t a member of the jury that worked on his trial, so your opinion on this matter is meaningless.

Like you, I’d personally prefer to “believe” that Tyson wasn’t a rápíst, because that’s a nicer situation than we’re faced with in reality, but then again, this would be like believing that other myths and legends were true, such as: fairies, the afterlife, reincarnation, the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot etc

Mike Tyson was as innocent as Hurricane Carter... The was ZERO evidence that he raped Desiree Washington. Her plan seemed to be to extort money out of Tyson because she knew he was worth 10's of millions. In fact, members of Tyson’s jury now believe he’s innocent.

Top criminal lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, is on record saying Tyson is innocent and there is NO credible evidence he committed rape. Tyson had associates in the next room and all they heard was Washington's laughter, not any crying, screaming, or complaining. His lawyer didn't present that evidence. Three witnesses in the hotel lobby were ready to testify that Washington had her legs wrapped around Tyson and was kissing him passionately when they came into the hotel lobby. Her feet never hit the floor. The judge ruled those witnesses "prejudicial” and didn’t allow them. A judge’s biased rulings often steer a case to wrongful conviction.

In fact, it seems like Don King – who selected Tyson's lawyer, a guy who had never defended a criminal case in his life – was out to get Tyson and sold him out... Dershowitz said Tyson's lawyer presented a case that begged for conviction.. Don King possibly thought Tyson might spend a year in prison and be bigger than ever when he got out... It's not like Mike was from Nigeria and would spend a generation in prison for attacking a Sex Industry out-call girl.

It’s well known by lawyers and judges that juries are bonkers. They go with their gut instincts and prejudices and not the evidence. The way to sway most juries is not through reason or scientific evidence many won’t understand (or go to sleep on you) but to appeal to their raw emotions... In this case Tyson's lawyer said Washington should have known Tyson was dangerous because his reputation as a womanizer preceded him... He basically said, "she was asking for trouble when she messed with Mike." Dershowitz said, "He might as well have said, "convict this SOB of rape." " .... In many convictions that are overturned after up to 30 years, the defendant's lawyer seemed to be working with the prosecution.

[Enlightened-One]

Convicted but i dont think he raped anyone,americas justice system has previous so id go with not guilty on that front.

Mike Tyson is just like the vast majority of felons that doggedly maintain their innocence rather than admit their guilt. I seem to recall more than 80% of criminals maintaining their innocence regardless the amount of insurmountable evidence against them.

I can’t remember where I read this, but I seem to think the percentage of those convicted of felonies that were subsequently deemed to be innocent, due to errors in their cases, was 5%, meaning there’s a 95% chance that Iron Mike actually rápéd Desiree Washington.

For sure, you can use your “faith” in a religious type manner to somehow declare Mike Tyson of being innocent of committing any wrongdoing and allege that his imprisonment was simply due to a miscarriage of justice, but you weren’t a member of the jury that worked on his trial, so your opinion on this matter is meaningless.

Like you, I’d personally prefer to “believe” that Tyson wasn’t a rápíst, because that’s a nicer situation than we’re faced with in reality, but then again, this would be like believing that other myths and legends were true, such as: fairies, the afterlife, reincarnation, the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot etc

Mike Tyson was as innocent as Hurricane Carter... The was ZERO evidence that he raped Desiree Washington. Her plan seemed to be to extort money out of Tyson because she knew he was worth 10's of millions. In fact, members of Tyson’s jury now believe he’s innocent.

Top criminal lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, is on record saying Tyson is innocent and there is NO credible evidence he committed rape. Tyson had associates in the next room and all they heard was Washington's laughter, not any crying, screaming, or complaining. His lawyer didn't present that evidence. Three witnesses in the hotel lobby were ready to testify that Washington had her legs wrapped around Tyson and was kissing him passionately when they came into the hotel lobby. Her feet never hit the floor. The judge ruled those witnesses "prejudicial” and didn’t allow them. A judge’s biased rulings often steer a case to wrongful conviction.

In fact, it seems like Don King – who selected Tyson's lawyer, a guy who had never defended a criminal case in his life – was out to get Tyson and sold him out... Dershowitz said Tyson's lawyer presented a case that begged for conviction.. Don King possibly thought Tyson might spend a year in prison and be bigger than ever when he got out... It's not like Mike was from Nigeria and would spend a generation in prison for attacking a Sex Industry out-call girl. It’s well known by lawyers and judges that juries are bonkers. They go with their gut instincts and prejudices and not the evidence. The way to sway most juries is not through reason or scientific evidence many won’t understand (or go to sleep on you) but to appeal to their raw emotions.

Were you a member of the jury that attended the Tyson rápé trial or is your opinion solely based on the information conveyed by a documentary whose agenda was to present a summarised narrative intended to convey a sensationalised version of events rather than objectively recite in parrot-like fashion the countless amount of evidence that was actually presented during the trial?

[Counter-puncher]

As innocent as Hurricane Carter

Dude was a well-known douche

[Carden]

I believe I've got most of you beat with this one!

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/307739

[tiny_acres]

I believe I've got most of you beat with this one!

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/307739

you win on this one. McGurn was as bad as they came

[Evander]

Isn't it a core principle of boxing to try and lift people out of poverty by most means necessary ?
I always thought it was.
People aren't born bad.

[Ruthless-RKO]

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/2018 ... ssion-case

Not really bad..

[Tony1244]

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/2018 ... ssion-case

Not really bad..

That Fiend.

[Kalan]

As innocent as Hurricane Carter

Dude was a well-known douche

That's the way many juries think... "He's douche wash" so they convict him.... Instead of examining the evidence.

[Carden]

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/175290

Lol sorry but she is the "Bad Girl"

[tiny_acres]

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/175290

Lol sorry but she is the "Bad Girl"

Man did she fukc up her life.

[siablo14]

Tittle -
What happen to words like cruelest and wickedest?

[Thomastearns]

Mike Tyson's rape trial was a travesty. The defence was next to useless, but to be fair Mike himself didn't help matters much in court.

I believe him when he says his life was such a mess at that point he almost welcomed the prison 'break'.

Dylan didn't always get it wrong.

'Well, six white horses that you did promise
Were fin’lly delivered down to the penitentiary
But to live outside the law, you must be honest
I know you always say that you agree
Alright so…'

[Tony1244]

Mike Tyson's rape trial was a travesty. The defence was next to useless, but to be fair Mike himself didn't help matters much in court.

I believe him when he says his life was such a mess at that point he almost welcomed the prison 'break'.

Dylan didn't always get it wrong.

'Well, six white horses that you did promise
Were fin’lly delivered down to the penitentiary
But to live outside the law, you must be honest
I know you always say that you agree
Alright so…'

In bold is one of my favorite Dylan lines. But" where are you tonight, sweet Marie?"

[jamamb]

damien hooper aka hoop the poop for a recent example

all sorts of arrests for kidnapping , torture, assault, attacking cops, drunk and disorderly, etc