ALI VS LISTON --- 1964.

[SenorPipino]

I read somewhere that the Ali-Frazier gloves from SuperFight 1 were 8 oz Everlast models and were filled only with horsehair.

Much better to bang with than the more modern versions. I don't remember back than any controversies over what type of glove would be used in fights and what the weight would be.

Things didn't get bogged down as much in stifling details as they do today.

[Kalan]

did you just buy a pair and want to now if they're really authentic or something ?
because check this out .(because it sure looks as if Sonny Liston's Ham-sized Mitts were in both of them to me)

https://sports.ha.com/itm/boxing-collec ... 30-80064.s

shouldnt those gloves be in the Boxing Hall of Fame ?
What if whoever gets them looses them or they get stolen ?
Because that is how history gets lost,when eventually it gets into the hands of someone who really doesn't give a sh*t.

The eight-ounce "Sammy Frager" model gloves

.... I knew they were 8 oz

I always wondered what the fascination was to have an item a famous person wore, or touched, or lit for you.

we all breathe the same air everybody else breathes.. A stranger bummed a cigarette from Liston in the 1950's at a time when Sonny still smoked occasionally.. Liston lit the cigarette for him and said, "enjoy." The guy took a couple puffs and when Liston was out of sight he snuffed out the cigarette and saved it... Wow!!! Maybe he thought he could sell it.

[Caractacus]

If you think that's strange,I seem to remember someone saying that had a clippingof some of Sonny Liston's pubic hair.
(maybe it was a groupie) I cant remember the source,but I read this back in the 1970's
about the history of the BEATLES sgt. pepper ALBUM.
maybe it was because he was on the album cover (or rather his wax figure from Madam Tussauds Museum).

[Kalan]

If you wanted a lock of Liston's hair he regularly got it cut very short... So pubic was the way to go.

Maybe one of his girl friends was gifted with it for giving him an exceptionally satisfying BJ.

[oogiebe]

You didn't hurt my feelings... I'm used to knee jerk attack from non-thinkers... It's not ludicrous to compare fighters because it’s done all the time. In fact, that's what makes up 90% of any discussion on any Boxing Forum. Anytime anybody makes a Top-10 ATG list he's comparing his picks to every other boxer who ever fought... People are always posting "time tunnel" match-ups such as Braddock vs Marciano and whatnot... People respond because it's fun. However for a few it doesn't seem to be fun. They take it personally if you say Joshua would have beaten Ali - as if Ali is sacrosanct and never lost to short, fat, hittable, chinny, or novice opponents.

So I put out an olive branch and you go back to insults. You are worthless. Go away. LMFAO!

No insults... That was my olive branch.

LMAO! I should've figured! Ok...accepted.

[BoxBuzz]

That's it I'm buyin' the next round. Drinks on the house.....everybody smile for the group photo!

[oogiebe]

That's it I'm buyin' the next round. Drinks on the house.....everybody smile for the group photo!

I'll drink to that!!

[oogiebe]

I never say anything nasty unless you get nasty and personal with me first

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Erm, yes you do. Constantly.

I'm entitled to my point of view

You most certainly are.

and present it with cold, hard, accurate facts to back it up.

cold hard accurate facts?.....STOP IT! You know what? You say you are entitled to your opinion, but you don't hold that for anybody else. How is it possible? You seem rather petty and argumentative....At least GoldenOldie had a good laugh this evening. What else ya' got?

[Kalan]

People are entitled to their opinion... I have nothing against them stating their opinion... I hold that for everybody.

Then I state cold, hard, facts, like losses, beatings, upsets, embarrassments, and savage poundings these so called sacrosanct American heroes of the distant and murky passed suffered – and point out that many of the top boxers performing today haven’t suffered such humiliating defeats because of greater technique and skill, and people start attacking me personally.

I’m entitled to my views. I believe the science of Boxing is progressing along with better nutrition and training methods. Heavyweights are bigger, stronger, faster, and better and America no longer dominates because large slices of the planet now have professional boxing that didn’t have it before and there's more fighters.