I grew up one town from Cooney and followed him immediately when he turned pro. Frankly...Norton was done. no where near the Norton that fought Holmes, much less Ali. Cooney had a chin as thin as a light bulb and was Orthodox. (he was a lefty that got turned around so he could get more fights, as well as the little known fact that he was all left hand in his natural stance.)...Dude got smoked by Michael Spinks, and a 40 year old Foreman, among others. I'm sorry, but I have to vehemently disagree. Perhaps if he did more training and less cocaine, he'd been better. He was no more than a side show attraction who happened to be white.x2x wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:18
"Gerry Cooney...poo stacked high."
What are these posters, about eight years old?
Gerry Cooney could have and should have been the champ. He was terribly mismanaged, including by himself. The hardest hitting southpaw ever. Here he is against Ken Norton in 1981. Norton had fought, and beat, M. Ali three times, though in two of those fights Ali was the beneficiary of two of his many fixed fights, crook judges awarding him the unearned victories.
Oh, and lastly, keep your insults to yourself. Adds nothing here and is unnecessary.oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:23I grew up one town from Cooney and followed him immediately when he turned pro. Frankly...Norton was done. no where near the Norton that fought Holmes, much less Ali. Cooney had a chin as thin as a light bulb and was Orthodox. (he was a lefty that got turned around so he could get more fights, as well as the little known fact that he was all left hand in his natural stance.)...Dude got smoked by Michael Spinks, and a 40 year old Foreman, among others. I'm sorry, but I have to vehemently disagree. Perhaps if he did more training and less cocaine, he'd been better. He was no more than a side show attraction who happened to be white.x2x wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:18
"Gerry Cooney...poo stacked high."
What are these posters, about eight years old?
Gerry Cooney could have and should have been the champ. He was terribly mismanaged, including by himself. The hardest hitting southpaw ever. Here he is against Ken Norton in 1981. Norton had fought, and beat, M. Ali three times, though in two of those fights Ali was the beneficiary of two of his many fixed fights, crook judges awarding him the unearned victories.
Hey, we can't all be as intellectually gifted as you are...oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:25Oh, and lastly, keep your insults to yourself. Adds nothing here and is unnecessary.oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:23I grew up one town from Cooney and followed him immediately when he turned pro. Frankly...Norton was done. no where near the Norton that fought Holmes, much less Ali. Cooney had a chin as thin as a light bulb and was Orthodox. (he was a lefty that got turned around so he could get more fights, as well as the little known fact that he was all left hand in his natural stance.)...Dude got smoked by Michael Spinks, and a 40 year old Foreman, among others. I'm sorry, but I have to vehemently disagree. Perhaps if he did more training and less cocaine, he'd been better. He was no more than a side show attraction who happened to be white.x2x wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:18
"Gerry Cooney...poo stacked high."
What are these posters, about eight years old?
Gerry Cooney could have and should have been the champ. He was terribly mismanaged, including by himself. The hardest hitting southpaw ever. Here he is against Ken Norton in 1981. Norton had fought, and beat, M. Ali three times, though in two of those fights Ali was the beneficiary of two of his many fixed fights, crook judges awarding him the unearned victories.
Listen Dr. Science...COONEY DIDN'T FIGHT SOUTHPAW...you don't have to be intellectual to tell your right from your left...now...I'm done...go outside and play. Thanks!x2x wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:36Hey, we can't all be as intellectually gifted as you are...oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:25Oh, and lastly, keep your insults to yourself. Adds nothing here and is unnecessary.oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:23
I grew up one town from Cooney and followed him immediately when he turned pro. Frankly...Norton was done. no where near the Norton that fought Holmes, much less Ali. Cooney had a chin as thin as a light bulb and was Orthodox. (he was a lefty that got turned around so he could get more fights, as well as the little known fact that he was all left hand in his natural stance.)...Dude got smoked by Michael Spinks, and a 40 year old Foreman, among others. I'm sorry, but I have to vehemently disagree. Perhaps if he did more training and less cocaine, he'd been better. He was no more than a side show attraction who happened to be white.
"Gerry Cooney...poo stacked high."
Cooney also beat Jimmy Young, yet another fighter that beat M. Ali and "lost" yet another crook judge decision.
One thing you said that was true:
"Perhaps if he did more training and less cocaine"
That AND terrible mismanagement.
Here's my post from earlier, especially what's in (): I grew up one town from Cooney and followed him immediately when he turned pro. Frankly...Norton was done. no where near the Norton that fought Holmes, much less Ali. Cooney had a chin as thin as a light bulb and was Orthodox. (he was a lefty that got turned around so he could get more fights, as well as the little known fact that he was all left hand in his natural stance.)...Dude got smoked by Michael Spinks, and a 40 year old Foreman, among others. I'm sorry, but I have to vehemently disagree. Perhaps if he did more training and less cocaine, he'd been better. He was no more than a side show attraction who happened to be white.x2x wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 21:57 "Listen Dr. Science...COONEY DIDN'T FIGHT SOUTHPAW..."
Obnoxious fellow.
Wikipedia:
"Cooney, who is naturally left-handed, used an orthodox stance. This provided him with a powerful jab and a lethal left hook, but a comparatively weak right, which he seldom used except in combinations."
Cooney fought decent competition... His fights with Roy Lyle and Ken Norton were blink jobs... Wladimir Klitschko proved that no matter how talented you are you need a great trainer... You'll have flaws somebody can exploit if you fight a lot of different styles... Plus you need the mental strength to overcome defeat and get better... Cooney self destructed at 25.
Good observation about Cooney.Kalan wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 00:21Cooney fought decent competition... His fights with Roy Lyle and Ken Norton were blink jobs... Wladimir Klitschko proved that no matter how talented you are you need a great trainer... You'll have flaws somebody can exploit if you fight a lot of different styles... Plus you need the mental strength to overcome defeat and get better... Cooney self destructed at 25.
Price just never had the ability period... He's a one note trumpet.
Cooney beat not just decent, but top tier fighters - Norton, Young, Lyle. He had a couple of show biz guys for managers instead of real boxing trainers. He was terribly mismanaged. Then he was out partying all the time. He could have been champ. Watch the Holmes-Cooney fight video. One of the most electric fights ever. Cooney should have won it. But he had only fought two rounds in over two years before the fight. It was the hottest venue for a heavyweight championship fight ever, held outdoors in Las Vegas in the Mojave desert on a sweltering night under bright lights. But the worst mistake of all was they had him go out and not fight his fight, his fight being throwing bombs and going for the quick knockout, the way he always fought. Instead he tried to pace himself for a long fight. I was in NYC at the time. I listened to Art Rust Jr., a radio talk show guy who talked a lot about boxing, a rarity. Rust was a black guy and he was a Cooney fan and he was saying just what I'm saying.Kalan wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 00:21Cooney fought decent competition... His fights with Roy Lyle and Ken Norton were blink jobs... Wladimir Klitschko proved that no matter how talented you are you need a great trainer... You'll have flaws somebody can exploit if you fight a lot of different styles... Plus you need the mental strength to overcome defeat and get better... Cooney self destructed at 25.
Price just never had the ability period... He's a one note trumpet.
None. In fact Povetkin's always shown a pretty sturdy chin. Even being dropped 4 times or so against Wlad he still made it the distance.SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 15:36 Price --Povetkin doesn't exactly meet the OP 's criteria of "two guys with shaky chins."
We know that Price's jaw starts to crack at the sound of the bell, but what evidence is there that Povetkin's chin is just as dismal in quality?
He is tough and takes a good punch, as compared to other top 10's.gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 16:33None. In fact Povetkin's always shown a pretty sturdy chin. Even being dropped 4 times or so against Wlad he still made it the distance.SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 15:36 Price --Povetkin doesn't exactly meet the OP 's criteria of "two guys with shaky chins."
We know that Price's jaw starts to crack at the sound of the bell, but what evidence is there that Povetkin's chin is just as dismal in quality?
He was a beast...a BEAST I say!SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 10:49 Speaking of Jackson, I was certain that his title fight with Dennis The Magician Milton would be over in a flash.
Jackson's chin wasn't great but Milton's jaw was exceptionally soft.
Predictably, the Hawk made the Magician vanish in the 1st round.
With all due respect, the trio that you mention were all thoroughly past their primes when they fought Cooney.x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 01:35Cooney beat not just decent, but top tier fighters - Norton, Young, Lyle. He had a couple of show biz guys for managers instead of real boxing trainers. He was terribly mismanaged. Then he was out partying all the time. He could have been champ. Watch the Holmes-Cooney fight video. One of the most electric fights ever. Cooney should have won it. But he had only fought two rounds in over two years before the fight. It was the hottest venue for a heavyweight championship fight ever, held outdoors in Las Vegas in the Mojave desert on a sweltering night under bright lights. But the worst mistake of all was they had him go out and not fight his fight, his fight being throwing bombs and going for the quick knockout, the way he always fought. Instead he tried to pace himself for a long fight. I was in NYC at the time. I listened to Art Rust Jr., a radio talk show guy who talked a lot about boxing, a rarity. Rust was a black guy and he was a Cooney fan and he was saying just what I'm saying.Kalan wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 00:21Cooney fought decent competition... His fights with Roy Lyle and Ken Norton were blink jobs... Wladimir Klitschko proved that no matter how talented you are you need a great trainer... You'll have flaws somebody can exploit if you fight a lot of different styles... Plus you need the mental strength to overcome defeat and get better... Cooney self destructed at 25.
Price just never had the ability period... He's a one note trumpet.
sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 21:40With all due respect, the trio that you mention were all thoroughly past their primes when they fought Cooney.x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 01:35Cooney beat not just decent, but top tier fighters - Norton, Young, Lyle. He had a couple of show biz guys for managers instead of real boxing trainers. He was terribly mismanaged. Then he was out partying all the time. He could have been champ. Watch the Holmes-Cooney fight video. One of the most electric fights ever. Cooney should have won it. But he had only fought two rounds in over two years before the fight. It was the hottest venue for a heavyweight championship fight ever, held outdoors in Las Vegas in the Mojave desert on a sweltering night under bright lights. But the worst mistake of all was they had him go out and not fight his fight, his fight being throwing bombs and going for the quick knockout, the way he always fought. Instead he tried to pace himself for a long fight. I was in NYC at the time. I listened to Art Rust Jr., a radio talk show guy who talked a lot about boxing, a rarity. Rust was a black guy and he was a Cooney fan and he was saying just what I'm saying.Kalan wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 00:21
Cooney fought decent competition... His fights with Roy Lyle and Ken Norton were blink jobs... Wladimir Klitschko proved that no matter how talented you are you need a great trainer... You'll have flaws somebody can exploit if you fight a lot of different styles... Plus you need the mental strength to overcome defeat and get better... Cooney self destructed at 25.
Price just never had the ability period... He's a one note trumpet.
Lyle was totally shot & had just been KO'd in two rounds by the limited Lynn Ball. And, Norton was coming off of two desperate, life & death struggles with Scott Ledoux & "Tex" Cobb sandwiched around a year-long retirement following a KO by 1 at the hands of Earnie Shavers.
Of the trio, Jimmy Young had the most left, but he was still well removed from his peak. And, even though that was the case he still gave Cooney his toughest fight. But, credit to Cooney, he was able to bust up Young's eye with his hook to force the stoppage.
As far as Cooney not fighting "his fight" vs Holmes by not attacking the champion enough early on, he certainly attempted to, but all it resulted in was him being dropped by a Holmes counter right hand in round two. It was after that knockdown that Cooney elected to box with Holmes.
You are entirely correct. Cooney was hype. All left hand. Easy to hit. Only old guys to fight. He got a dose of reality early in the Holmes fight.sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 21:40With all due respect, the trio that you mention were all thoroughly past their primes when they fought Cooney.x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 01:35Cooney beat not just decent, but top tier fighters - Norton, Young, Lyle. He had a couple of show biz guys for managers instead of real boxing trainers. He was terribly mismanaged. Then he was out partying all the time. He could have been champ. Watch the Holmes-Cooney fight video. One of the most electric fights ever. Cooney should have won it. But he had only fought two rounds in over two years before the fight. It was the hottest venue for a heavyweight championship fight ever, held outdoors in Las Vegas in the Mojave desert on a sweltering night under bright lights. But the worst mistake of all was they had him go out and not fight his fight, his fight being throwing bombs and going for the quick knockout, the way he always fought. Instead he tried to pace himself for a long fight. I was in NYC at the time. I listened to Art Rust Jr., a radio talk show guy who talked a lot about boxing, a rarity. Rust was a black guy and he was a Cooney fan and he was saying just what I'm saying.Kalan wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 00:21
Cooney fought decent competition... His fights with Roy Lyle and Ken Norton were blink jobs... Wladimir Klitschko proved that no matter how talented you are you need a great trainer... You'll have flaws somebody can exploit if you fight a lot of different styles... Plus you need the mental strength to overcome defeat and get better... Cooney self destructed at 25.
Price just never had the ability period... He's a one note trumpet.
Lyle was totally shot & had just been KO'd in two rounds by the limited Lynn Ball. And, Norton was coming off of two desperate, life & death struggles with Scott Ledoux & "Tex" Cobb sandwiched around a year-long retirement following a KO by 1 at the hands of Earnie Shavers.
Of the trio, Jimmy Young had the most left, but he was still well removed from his peak. And, even though that was the case he still gave Cooney his toughest fight. But, credit to Cooney, he was able to bust up Young's eye with his hook to force the stoppage.
As far as Cooney not fighting "his fight" vs Holmes by not attacking the champion enough early on, he certainly attempted to, but all it resulted in was him being dropped by a Holmes counter right hand in round two. It was after that knockdown that Cooney elected to box with Holmes.
