Top ten HW, March 2020 ?

[jamamb]

ya this happens a lot, a hyped prospect just starts out and ppl get all excited and say in a year or two theyll be winning world titles and at the top, but in reality very very very few move that fast

just look at dubois opponents for example, there all cherry picked chinny/small knockover jobs and hes 20 or 21, what exactly leads ppl to believe that hell be moved fast enough to be an elite top 3 hw so soon?

[Lackeos]

Well rankings done with computer will always have some flaws. I guess that Kownacki got most of hes points from Szpilka who got most of his by beating the way over the hill Adamek who was still pretty highly ranked at the time.

In reality guys like Szpilka and Kownacki should not be anywhere near the top 10.

Much bigger flaws are actually cruiserweights that gain some weight and are heavyweights all of a sudden.
At one point Tony Bellew was the rank 3 heavyweight of the world! XD Lol

Yeah that's true. Thats also where Adamek got lot of the points he had.

Well, the main reasons why Adamek became such a farm of undeserved boxrec points is...
-He probably wouldn't have beat Chambers if Chambers had not sustained an injury during the fight.
-His rematch with Cunningham was a robbery.

The difference between running wins over Chamber + Cunningham compared to running losses against Chambers + Cunningham is probably about 200 points.

[Rob3_142]

Kownacki ? I doubt it.....
Zhang ? Honestly, I don't know anything about him.............

Kownacki is literally already in boxrec's top 10. I wouldn't doubt it too hard.

Although, my realistic expectation is that in 2 years time, Kownacki will get another win and rise higher, get a title shot, lose, and be back outside the top 10 by the time March 2020 rolls around.

Well rankings done with computer will always have some flaws. I guess that Kownacki got most of hes points from Szpilka who got most of his by beating the way over the hill Adamek who was still pretty highly ranked at the time.

In reality guys like Szpilka and Kownacki should not be anywhere near the top 10.

Just out of my own curiosity, who makes up your current top 10?

[Heretic]

Kownacki is literally already in boxrec's top 10. I wouldn't doubt it too hard.

Although, my realistic expectation is that in 2 years time, Kownacki will get another win and rise higher, get a title shot, lose, and be back outside the top 10 by the time March 2020 rolls around.

Well rankings done with computer will always have some flaws. I guess that Kownacki got most of hes points from Szpilka who got most of his by beating the way over the hill Adamek who was still pretty highly ranked at the time.

In reality guys like Szpilka and Kownacki should not be anywhere near the top 10.

Just out of my own curiosity, who makes up your current top 10?

I am not keeping a list around but to throw them out of my head I would go for...

1 Joshua
2 Povetkin
3 Pulev
4 Wilder
5 Parker
6 Ortiz
7 Takam
8 Miller
9 Breazeale
10 Whyte

I am mostly ranking guys on who they beat and how they did it. Guys like Price, Lemieux and Mathysse have taught me to not rank fighters by the eye test without actually winning against good opposition. That's why I have Wilder lover than most.

Breazeale and Whyte are quite weak on the list. They are not that great but there is nobody around that is more proven at the moment. All in all quite weak resumes at Hw currently.

[Rob3_142]

Well rankings done with computer will always have some flaws. I guess that Kownacki got most of hes points from Szpilka who got most of his by beating the way over the hill Adamek who was still pretty highly ranked at the time.

In reality guys like Szpilka and Kownacki should not be anywhere near the top 10.

Just out of my own curiosity, who makes up your current top 10?

I am not keeping a list around but to throw them out of my head I would go for...

1 Joshua
2 Povetkin
3 Pulev
4 Wilder
5 Parker
6 Ortiz
7 Takam
8 Miller
9 Breazeale
10 Whyte

I am mostly ranking guys on who they beat and how they did it. Guys like Price, Lemieux and Mathysse have taught me to not rank fighters by the eye test without actually winning against good opposition. That's why I have Wilder lover than most.

Breazeale and Whyte are quite weak on the list. They are not that great but there is nobody around that is more proven at the moment. All in all quite weak resumes at Hw currently.

But based on your own analysis, 2-3 weak players in the top 10, indicates that the likes of Kownacki are only a couple good wins away from the top 10.

[Heretic]

Just out of my own curiosity, who makes up your current top 10?

I am not keeping a list around but to throw them out of my head I would go for...

1 Joshua
2 Povetkin
3 Pulev
4 Wilder
5 Parker
6 Ortiz
7 Takam
8 Miller
9 Breazeale
10 Whyte

I am mostly ranking guys on who they beat and how they did it. Guys like Price, Lemieux and Mathysse have taught me to not rank fighters by the eye test without actually winning against good opposition. That's why I have Wilder lover than most.

Breazeale and Whyte are quite weak on the list. They are not that great but there is nobody around that is more proven at the moment. All in all quite weak resumes at Hw currently.

But based on your own analysis, 2-3 weak players in the top 10, indicates that the likes of Kownacki are only a couple good wins away from the top 10.

Right... But that is also true for almost everyone else in the division

[Rob3_142]

I am not keeping a list around but to throw them out of my head I would go for...

1 Joshua
2 Povetkin
3 Pulev
4 Wilder
5 Parker
6 Ortiz
7 Takam
8 Miller
9 Breazeale
10 Whyte

I am mostly ranking guys on who they beat and how they did it. Guys like Price, Lemieux and Mathysse have taught me to not rank fighters by the eye test without actually winning against good opposition. That's why I have Wilder lover than most.

Breazeale and Whyte are quite weak on the list. They are not that great but there is nobody around that is more proven at the moment. All in all quite weak resumes at Hw currently.

But based on your own analysis, 2-3 weak players in the top 10, indicates that the likes of Kownacki are only a couple good wins away from the top 10.

Right... But that is also true for almost everyone else in the division

For a lot of guys perhaps. I think the Szpilka win from Kownacki is a substantial step up in levels to his previous opponents, and perhaps an indicator that he is looking to step up the levels of his opposition now. If other guys hovering in the top 30 are still chasing around journeyman they won't really crack the top 10, but say if Kownacki knocks off someone in the top 20, then he'll breach top 10 relatively comfortably.

Of course this is a lot of ifs, buts and maybe, but I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.

[Heretic]

But based on your own analysis, 2-3 weak players in the top 10, indicates that the likes of Kownacki are only a couple good wins away from the top 10.

Right... But that is also true for almost everyone else in the division

For a lot of guys perhaps. I think the Szpilka win from Kownacki is a substantial step up in levels to his previous opponents, and perhaps an indicator that he is looking to step up the levels of his opposition now. If other guys hovering in the top 30 are still chasing around journeyman they won't really crack the top 10, but say if Kownacki knocks off someone in the top 20, then he'll breach top 10 relatively comfortably.

Of course this is a lot of ifs, buts and maybe, but I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.

Yeah I see what you are aiming at.

Few things that I disagree with. Szpilka is not that much of a step up. He should not be ranked higher than rank 20. He has no good wins and was struggling to beat a club fighter in Mollo.

Also I am not sure that Kownacki can step up hes opposition much without loosing. He was eating way too many shots against Kiladze. Throw him against someone with more power and it will end ugly for him.

With good matchmaking he can go to the lower part of top 10 with the weak division but I doubt he will.

[Rob3_142]

Right... But that is also true for almost everyone else in the division

For a lot of guys perhaps. I think the Szpilka win from Kownacki is a substantial step up in levels to his previous opponents, and perhaps an indicator that he is looking to step up the levels of his opposition now. If other guys hovering in the top 30 are still chasing around journeyman they won't really crack the top 10, but say if Kownacki knocks off someone in the top 20, then he'll breach top 10 relatively comfortably.

Of course this is a lot of ifs, buts and maybe, but I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.

Yeah I see what you are aiming at.

Few things that I disagree with. Szpilka is not that much of a step up. He should not be ranked higher than rank 20. He has no good wins and was struggling to beat a club fighter in Mollo.

Also I am not sure that Kownacki can step up hes opposition much without loosing. He was eating way too many shots against Kiladze. Throw him against someone with more power and it will end ugly for him.

With good matchmaking he can go to the lower part of top 10 with the weak division but I doubt he will.

Well that's the thing, whether you like it or not, Szpilka and Kiladze are substantial step ups from any of the previous 14 fighters before. Nobody can begrudge Kownacki a natural progression through the division, and if he finds himself in the top 10 as a by product, it's nobody's fault, but the divisions.

If he wins against say Dimitrenko, he'll be well inside the top 10.

[gregregegg]

1 Joshua
2 Wilder
3 usyk
4 povetkin
5 t. Fury
6 parker
7 ortiz
8 joiyce
9 pulev
10 miller or dillian whyte cant decide.

[Heretic]

For a lot of guys perhaps. I think the Szpilka win from Kownacki is a substantial step up in levels to his previous opponents, and perhaps an indicator that he is looking to step up the levels of his opposition now. If other guys hovering in the top 30 are still chasing around journeyman they won't really crack the top 10, but say if Kownacki knocks off someone in the top 20, then he'll breach top 10 relatively comfortably.

Of course this is a lot of ifs, buts and maybe, but I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.

Yeah I see what you are aiming at.

Few things that I disagree with. Szpilka is not that much of a step up. He should not be ranked higher than rank 20. He has no good wins and was struggling to beat a club fighter in Mollo.

Also I am not sure that Kownacki can step up hes opposition much without loosing. He was eating way too many shots against Kiladze. Throw him against someone with more power and it will end ugly for him.

With good matchmaking he can go to the lower part of top 10 with the weak division but I doubt he will.

Well that's the thing, whether you like it or not, Szpilka and Kiladze are substantial step ups from any of the previous 14 fighters before. Nobody can begrudge Kownacki a natural progression through the division, and if he finds himself in the top 10 as a by product, it's nobody's fault, but the divisions.

If he wins against say Dimitrenko, he'll be well inside the top 10.

Beating Dimi would move him somewhere between 10 and 15 for me.

Kiladze might turn out to be better win than Szpilka in the end. I would pick him over Szpilka if they fought right now.

Beating someone like Duhaupas, Hammer or Ruiz would move him into top 10 for me. He could very well do it if he got the right opponent for the next fight.

[Rob3_142]

Yeah I see what you are aiming at.

Few things that I disagree with. Szpilka is not that much of a step up. He should not be ranked higher than rank 20. He has no good wins and was struggling to beat a club fighter in Mollo.

Also I am not sure that Kownacki can step up hes opposition much without loosing. He was eating way too many shots against Kiladze. Throw him against someone with more power and it will end ugly for him.

With good matchmaking he can go to the lower part of top 10 with the weak division but I doubt he will.

Well that's the thing, whether you like it or not, Szpilka and Kiladze are substantial step ups from any of the previous 14 fighters before. Nobody can begrudge Kownacki a natural progression through the division, and if he finds himself in the top 10 as a by product, it's nobody's fault, but the divisions.

If he wins against say Dimitrenko, he'll be well inside the top 10.

Beating Dimi would move him somewhere between 10 and 15 for me.

Kiladze might turn out to be better win than Szpilka in the end. I would pick him over Szpilka if they fought right now.

Beating someone like Duhaupas, Hammer or Ruiz would move him into top 10 for me. He could very well do it if he got the right opponent for the next fight.

Well he's already in 10th spot on BoxRec so a win over any of the guys you mentioned will put him dangerously close to the top 5 (probably like 7-8).

I'd definitely like to see him up against the likes of Ruiz. Nothing more than the fact they're the same shape.

[Heretic]

Well that's the thing, whether you like it or not, Szpilka and Kiladze are substantial step ups from any of the previous 14 fighters before. Nobody can begrudge Kownacki a natural progression through the division, and if he finds himself in the top 10 as a by product, it's nobody's fault, but the divisions.

If he wins against say Dimitrenko, he'll be well inside the top 10.

Beating Dimi would move him somewhere between 10 and 15 for me.

Kiladze might turn out to be better win than Szpilka in the end. I would pick him over Szpilka if they fought right now.

Beating someone like Duhaupas, Hammer or Ruiz would move him into top 10 for me. He could very well do it if he got the right opponent for the next fight.

Well he's already in 10th spot on BoxRec so a win over any of the guys you mentioned will put him dangerously close to the top 5 (probably like 7-8).

I'd definitely like to see him up against the likes of Ruiz. Nothing more than the fact they're the same shape.

Yeah he got way too many points for beating Szpilka who in turn got way too many points from beating the badly over the hill Adamek. This computerized ranking systems have their flaws...

Ruiz vs Kownacki would be great... Definitely war of the year contender

[danconnollyeire]

Daniel dubois and wilder will be the kings
joe joyce and Joshua will be around the blocks

That's your first post? FFS

[ElJefe]

1. Joshua
2. Wilder
3. T. Fury
4. Parker
5. Miller
6. Usyk
7. Whyte
8. Pulev
9. Kownacki
10. H. Fury

It really is difficult to predict. I've tried not to change too much.

Hopefully Tyson gets back in big fights.

I think the likes of Povetkin and Ortiz are coming to the end so I've dropped them out. Got younger fighters such as Miller and Whyte creeping up a bit.

Usyk could come up from Cruiser and beat some decent fighters but I don't think he'd be in with the top HWs straight away.

Think they might try and build Kownacki's record a bit more so think he could avoid defeat. He's at #10 with the RING already.

Hughie will probably be brought back through British and European level so think he can pick up a few good wins and get himself back in the mix, albeit at the lower end.

Breazeale and Andy Ruiz Jr could easily be in there as well. Takam has the ability to cause some problems but I've left him out as I think he might get overlooked as there are opponents out there who are easier to look good against.

Suppose if Joe Joyce is going to do anything it needs to be in the next 2 years so he may well get there depending on how fast they push him. If Whyte was to fight for a world title and lose (which I think he would), then I'd like to see them target him for Joyce to establish himself as the best British HW outside of Joshua and Fury. He should be knocking on Hughie's door as well as soon as he wins the British against Sexton in May.

[asdfjkl]

Daniel dubois and wilder will be the kings
joe joyce and Joshua will be around the blocks

That's your first post? FFS

Well I like it, he's not a country fanboy since Dubois is from the UK and Wilder from America and he's not the tipical guy that says AJ will remain the champ forever.
I guess he's a new and just looks around the corner, I appriciate the fact he already shows his current opinion.

[tiny_acres]

Daniel dubois and wilder will be the kings
joe joyce and Joshua will be around the blocks

That's your first post? FFS

Well I like it, he's not a country fanboy since Dubois is from the UK and Wilder from America and he's not the tipical guy that says AJ will remain the champ forever.
I guess he's a new and just looks around the corner, I appriciate the fact he already shows his current opinion.

Good post asdfucked. I agree with you.
I may not agree with his answer but at least it was far from a troll post

[dagilechia]

Does anybody know anything about Glazkov ?

Due to knee problems we will never see him again in the ring as i heard

[ValMar]

Does anybody know anything about Glazkov ?

Due to knee problems we will never see him again in the ring as i heard

Sad, very sad.
He has been a decent HW, the top 10 material, definitely.

[Heretic]

My guess...

1 Joshua
2 Wilder
3 Pulev
4 Parker
5 T. fury
6 Miller
7 H. Fury
8 Ruiz
9 Jennings
10 Glazkov

Since Glazkov seems to be out for good I will chance my list....

1 Joshua
2 Wilder
3 Pulev
4 Parker
5 T. fury
6 Miller
7 H. Fury
8 Ruiz
9 Jennings
10 Breazeale

[actjac]

Joseph Parker
Deontay Wilder
Oleksandr Usyk
Tyson Fury
Anthony Joshua
Zhang Zhilei
Tyrone Spong
Tony Yoka
Joe Joyce
Daniel Dubois

[asdfjkl]

Does anybody know anything about Glazkov ?

Due to knee problems we will never see him again in the ring as i heard

Sad, very sad.
He has been a decent HW, the top 10 material, definitely.

No, he was not, he was very lucky to achieve such a high rank, I even doubt he would win that night. He won the first round, the 2nd round was also won, but closeing to a draw ish one already, and the third he was losing. The amount of energy he needed to use to win rounds would have broken him in the later rounds, just like Wilder Szpilka. He was simply too small to become a real top heavyweight.

[ValMar]

Due to knee problems we will never see him again in the ring as i heard

Sad, very sad.
He has been a decent HW, the top 10 material, definitely.

No, he was not, he was very lucky to achieve such a high rank, I even doubt he would win that night. He won the first round, the 2nd round was also won, but closeing to a draw ish one already, and the third he was losing. The amount of energy he needed to use to win rounds would have broken him in the later rounds, just like Wilder Szpilka. He was simply too small to become a real top heavyweight.

Yes, he was small for HW, but he got a decent skillset to become the top 8-10 HW...........

[Rob3_142]

Joseph Parker
Deontay Wilder
Oleksandr Usyk
Tyson Fury
Anthony Joshua
Zhang Zhilei
Tyrone Spong
Tony Yoka
Joe Joyce
Daniel Dubois

Clearly asdfjkl in disguise

[Rob3_142]

1. Joshua
2. Wilder
3. T. Fury
4. Parker
5. Miller
6. Usyk
7. Whyte
8. Pulev
9. Kownacki
10. H. FurFury

Only criticism here is it'll be too soon for Usyk to make a dent at heavy, as he's yet to throw a punch in anger at this weight category.

Hughie Fury will probably not break top 20 either. He needs to be active and taking on some top 20 fighters and show his worth. So far all he showed against Parker is how limited he is.