Who wins, Whyte vs. Povetkin ?

[Stuarty]

As Povetkin has now replaced Ortiz as the bogeyman that's just waiting to be crowned (until he gets sparked, then he will be old & overrated), I will go for him.

To be fair, he is better than Whyte, although Dillian's skillset has improved, but it's easy to look skillful against a pudding.

were you not around for 2015 to 2016?

ppl used to be a lot higher on pov then they are now, id say his boogeyman status has clearly dropped from when he was on his fairly impressive ko run. i havent really seen many ppl at all now rushing to act like hes some uncrowned champ, any left over ppl going on about him now probably already were

and tbf he is almost 40 now

I had looked him up the other week outta boredom and hadn't realised he was so old! He was fuckin phenomenal on the juice though

[ValMar]

I will try to explain the reason of opening this thread. I know there is a slight chance for this match to happen this year,
Anyway, it might be lucrative, so I wouldn't write off the possibility to see this fight by the end of the year, and we might see a very competetive top level HW fight.

Whyte is the younger and the bigger, Povetkin is more skillful. Both of them have a very decent stamina, heart and chin too.
I am not sure about punching power, it might be very, very close.

So, if I have to predict, it would be something like this : Povetkin W 49 %, Whyte W 48 %, Draw 3 %...................

[Luis Fernando12]

Dillian has not ever been sparked by a cruiserweight. Manuel Charr??? ... do me a favour.

And he also never faced a cruiser weight as powerful and skilled as Mairis Breidis. So what's your point? Gassiev or Breidis arguably knock Dillian Whyte out too.

Nothing suggests Whyte is any better than Charr to me. Except in the punching power department perhaps (and even then, only by a slight margin).

Povetkin KO's Whyte in 7 rounds as he KO'ed Charr. That is, if Whyte comes to win like Charr did. If he doesn't, then he loses a lopsided 12 round unanimous decision like how Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer did.

1. Whyte is clearly better than Charr. Has more power and speed,
2. Povetkin is not the same fighter he was in 2014-2015. He is 38, and he couldn't even hurt Christian Hammer, whom Mariusz Wach knocked out cold with a single punch.

Power? Sure! Other than that, they're both fairly even. They're both on a similar level and if they fought, I predict a Dereck Chisora - Dillian Whyte type of fight again.

Yes, Povetkin isn't the same fighter but he is still good enough to beat someone like Dillian Whyte in my opinion.

So if Povetkin couldn't 'hurt' Christian Hammer, why didn't Christian Hammer just walk right through Povetkin's punches so that he could land his own punches to win the fight? I'd like you to answer this question!

Or maybe Povetkin did hurt Hammer enough to force Hammer to hold a tight guard, force him to fight on the back foot and fight negatively / passively so that Hammer couldn't throw sufficient punches to be able to win the fight?

Maybe Povetkin didn't go for the knockout and was content on winning by decision, even though he could've if he wanted to, so that he can save his best for when it matters most?

It's bizarre people think a boxer lacks 'power', even if that boxer wins every round against a ultra-defensive opponent. If said boxer really lacked power, the opponent would have no respect for their punches and would walk through their punches so that they could land their own and win.

[Boxing Writer]

And he also never faced a cruiser weight as powerful and skilled as Mairis Breidis. So what's your point? Gassiev or Breidis arguably knock Dillian Whyte out too.

Nothing suggests Whyte is any better than Charr to me. Except in the punching power department perhaps (and even then, only by a slight margin).

Povetkin KO's Whyte in 7 rounds as he KO'ed Charr. That is, if Whyte comes to win like Charr did. If he doesn't, then he loses a lopsided 12 round unanimous decision like how Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer did.

1. Whyte is clearly better than Charr. Has more power and speed,
2. Povetkin is not the same fighter he was in 2014-2015. He is 38, and he couldn't even hurt Christian Hammer, whom Mariusz Wach knocked out cold with a single punch.

Power? Sure! Other than that, they're both fairly even. They're both on a similar level and if they fought, I predict a Dereck Chisora - Dillian Whyte type of fight again.

Yes, Povetkin isn't the same fighter but he is still good enough to beat someone like Dillian Whyte in my opinion.

So if Povetkin couldn't 'hurt' Christian Hammer, why didn't Christian Hammer just walk right through Povetkin's punches so that he could land his own punches to win the fight? I'd like you to answer this question!

Or maybe Povetkin did hurt Hammer enough to force Hammer to hold a tight guard, force him to fight on the back foot and fight negatively / passively so that Hammer couldn't throw sufficient punches to be able to win the fight?

Maybe Povetkin didn't go for the knockout and was content on winning by decision, even though he could've if he wanted to, so that he can save his best for when it matters most?

It's bizarre people think a boxer lacks 'power', even if that boxer wins every round against a ultra-defensive opponent. If said boxer really lacked power, the opponent would have no respect for their punches and would walk through their punches so that they could land their own and win.

I'm pretty sure Povetkin would beat Whyte by wide UD. I just don't think he would be able stop him at this point unless Whyte will be extremely reckless in the ring

[Luis Fernando12]

1. Whyte is clearly better than Charr. Has more power and speed,
2. Povetkin is not the same fighter he was in 2014-2015. He is 38, and he couldn't even hurt Christian Hammer, whom Mariusz Wach knocked out cold with a single punch.

Power? Sure! Other than that, they're both fairly even. They're both on a similar level and if they fought, I predict a Dereck Chisora - Dillian Whyte type of fight again.

Yes, Povetkin isn't the same fighter but he is still good enough to beat someone like Dillian Whyte in my opinion.

So if Povetkin couldn't 'hurt' Christian Hammer, why didn't Christian Hammer just walk right through Povetkin's punches so that he could land his own punches to win the fight? I'd like you to answer this question!

Or maybe Povetkin did hurt Hammer enough to force Hammer to hold a tight guard, force him to fight on the back foot and fight negatively / passively so that Hammer couldn't throw sufficient punches to be able to win the fight?

Maybe Povetkin didn't go for the knockout and was content on winning by decision, even though he could've if he wanted to, so that he can save his best for when it matters most?

It's bizarre people think a boxer lacks 'power', even if that boxer wins every round against a ultra-defensive opponent. If said boxer really lacked power, the opponent would have no respect for their punches and would walk through their punches so that they could land their own and win.

I'm pretty sure Povetkin would beat Whyte by wide UD. I just don't think he would be able stop him at this point unless Whyte will be extremely reckless in the ring

Fair point! And that was my point. Which is that Christian Hammer came to solely survive against Povetkin. If he came to win, he would've also gotten knocked out like the others before 2017.

Alexander Povetkin still could've gotten the KO against Hammer but I don't think he pushed the action that much because he didn't need to as he was winning every round comfortably. Why risk forcing the KO at such an old age and suffer potential damage, when you can easily win every round without any risk? It's a tactical decision by team Povetkin to fight like that. It doesn't mean Povetkin lacks power.

If Whyte fights like the way he fought against Dereck Chisora or Anthony Joshua against Povetkin, he'd get knocked out. If Whyte comes to survive like Hammer, he'll lose a lopsided 12 round decision.

[candyslim]

Dillian Whyte vs Manuel Charr would be a better and a more interesting fight.

On what basis, is Dillian Whyte even better than Manuel Charr? What has Whyte done to prove this? Povetkin knocks Whyte out in the 7th round, like he did to Manuel Charr.

Dillian has not ever been sparked by a cruiserweight. Manuel Charr??? ... do me a favour.

And he also never faced a cruiser weight as powerful and skilled as Mairis Breidis. So what's your point? Gassiev or Breidis arguably knock Dillian Whyte out too.

Nothing suggests Whyte is any better than Charr to me. Except in the punching power department perhaps (and even then, only by a slight margin).

Povetkin KO's Whyte in 7 rounds as he KO'ed Charr. That is, if Whyte comes to win like Charr did. If he doesn't, then he loses a lopsided 12 round unanimous decision like how Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer did.

Breidis and Gassiev are fine cruiserweights to be sure but I'm not sure what makes you think Whyte gets knocked out by someone three stone lighter than he is. The only man to beat him, never mind knock him out, is Anthony Joshua who I'm sure you'd agree, is not your common or garden heavyweight. Everyone knew Whyte was carrying a shoulder injury going into that fight yet he gave Joshua his hardest fight to date, barring Klitschko, and in fact wobbled him

Whyte is rated by all the alphabet orgs and is rated number one challenger by the WBC for Deontay Wilder's title. Like anyone else but AJ, Whyte would be the underdog in a fight with Wilder, but he is in a relatively small group of fighters that would have a realistic chance (25 - 45%) of beating him other than by a lucky perfect punch.

Ignoring cruisers and rising stars they are ... Joshua, Parker, Ortiz (rematch), Miller, Whyte, Povetkin, Pulev, Takam, Breazeale, Ruiz, reducing to the likes of Fury minor, Kownacki, Jennings, etc. Manuel Charr is emphatically not one of them. The guy is not rubbish don't get me wrong, but neither is he a top ten fighter. Whyte is.

I'm not going to disrespect you Luis. Boxing and especially heavyweight boxing in particular, has made fools of every one of us and on more than one occasion, but your ideas that Charr is better than, or equal to, Dillian Whyte, or that Price is likely to beat Povetkin are ... how shall I put it ... refreshingly unorthodox.

[Lennox]

Christian Hammer v Dillian Whyte would be a fairly even fight. Hammer more likely to outpoint Whyte but Whyte's big shots probably would break Hammer down, I reckon its 40-60 in Whyte's favour. Hammer is much better than credited for.

Povetkin is not the same fighter he was a few years ago but still good enough to beat Whyte at the moment, in 18 months time it might get equal, Whyte might be better, Povetkin will be 40.

I think Whyte could give Wilder trouble, but still think Wilder would win.

Heavyweights though and one punch changes things, less things are certain with the big fellows.

[Rob3_142]

Dillian has not ever been sparked by a cruiserweight. Manuel Charr??? ... do me a favour.

And he also never faced a cruiser weight as powerful and skilled as Mairis Breidis. So what's your point? Gassiev or Breidis arguably knock Dillian Whyte out too.

Nothing suggests Whyte is any better than Charr to me. Except in the punching power department perhaps (and even then, only by a slight margin).

Povetkin KO's Whyte in 7 rounds as he KO'ed Charr. That is, if Whyte comes to win like Charr did. If he doesn't, then he loses a lopsided 12 round unanimous decision like how Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer did.

Breidis and Gassiev are fine cruiserweights to be sure but I'm not sure what makes you think Whyte gets knocked out by someone three stone lighter than he is. The only man to beat him, never mind knock him out, is Anthony Joshua who I'm sure you'd agree, is not your common or garden heavyweight. Everyone knew Whyte was carrying a shoulder injury going into that fight yet he gave Joshua his hardest fight to date, barring Klitschko, and in fact wobbled him

Whyte is rated by all the alphabet orgs and is rated number one challenger by the WBC for Deontay Wilder's title. Like anyone else but AJ, Whyte would be the underdog in a fight with Wilder, but he is in a relatively small group of fighters that would have a realistic chance (25 - 45%) of beating him other than by a lucky perfect punch.

Ignoring cruisers and rising stars they are ... Joshua, Parker, Ortiz (rematch), Miller, Whyte, Povetkin, Pulev, Takam, Breazeale, Ruiz, reducing to the likes of Fury minor, Kownacki, Jennings, etc. Manuel Charr is emphatically not one of them. The guy is not rubbish don't get me wrong, but neither is he a top ten fighter. Whyte is.

I'm not going to disrespect you Luis. Boxing and especially heavyweight boxing in particular, has made fools of every one of us and on more than one occasion, but your ideas that Charr is better than, or equal to, Dillian Whyte, or that Price is likely to beat Povetkin are ... how shall I put it ... refreshingly unorthodox.

Whyte's also never faced a middleweight as skilled as GGG, I'm not sure it means he's lose in a head to head. You have to realise that when you go from Cruiser to Heavy you give away a lot of attributes. He's traded with one of the biggest punches in the world in Joshua, so I'm not sure why a cruiser such as Breidis has power which is really that much of a problem. Throw into the fact that Whyte has 3 inches on Breidis, and a sizeable reach advantage, he probably would struggle to even get close.

Rudenko and Hammer are B/C level fighters, and did nothing more than to survive. I don't think anyone believes that would be an approach which Whyte would adopt. As was the case against Joshua (despite being raw and unskilled) he still went to war with a guy levels above. Now Whyte has composure and technique on his side, it's a completely different equation.

Based on recent form, I opted for 'to close to call'. Although Povetkin won every round of his two last fights, he should really be putting those guys away. It just gives me enough doubt to believe that a confident and in form Whyte is enough to make this fight a lot more even than originally believed. Whyte is stronger than ever and is finally executing good technique. I personally would love to see this fight - which I know won't happen any time soon

[ValMar]

Candyslim, refreshingly unorthodox, ......

[bmilligan]

Would be an interesting one, honestly it could very easily got either way.

But who knows with PEDvetkin lol. He was a monster after his lose to Wlad, but wonder if his years have caught up to him.

[Luis Fernando12]

Dillian has not ever been sparked by a cruiserweight. Manuel Charr??? ... do me a favour.

And he also never faced a cruiser weight as powerful and skilled as Mairis Breidis. So what's your point? Gassiev or Breidis arguably knock Dillian Whyte out too.

Nothing suggests Whyte is any better than Charr to me. Except in the punching power department perhaps (and even then, only by a slight margin).

Povetkin KO's Whyte in 7 rounds as he KO'ed Charr. That is, if Whyte comes to win like Charr did. If he doesn't, then he loses a lopsided 12 round unanimous decision like how Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer did.

Breidis and Gassiev are fine cruiserweights to be sure but I'm not sure what makes you think Whyte gets knocked out by someone three stone lighter than he is. The only man to beat him, never mind knock him out, is Anthony Joshua who I'm sure you'd agree, is not your common or garden heavyweight. Everyone knew Whyte was carrying a shoulder injury going into that fight yet he gave Joshua his hardest fight to date, barring Klitschko, and in fact wobbled him

Whyte is rated by all the alphabet orgs and is rated number one challenger by the WBC for Deontay Wilder's title. Like anyone else but AJ, Whyte would be the underdog in a fight with Wilder, but he is in a relatively small group of fighters that would have a realistic chance (25 - 45%) of beating him other than by a lucky perfect punch.

Ignoring cruisers and rising stars they are ... Joshua, Parker, Ortiz (rematch), Miller, Whyte, Povetkin, Pulev, Takam, Breazeale, Ruiz, reducing to the likes of Fury minor, Kownacki, Jennings, etc. Manuel Charr is emphatically not one of them. The guy is not rubbish don't get me wrong, but neither is he a top ten fighter. Whyte is.

I'm not going to disrespect you Luis. Boxing and especially heavyweight boxing in particular, has made fools of every one of us and on more than one occasion, but your ideas that Charr is better than, or equal to, Dillian Whyte, or that Price is likely to beat Povetkin are ... how shall I put it ... refreshingly unorthodox.

That's because Breidis has actually fought at heavyweight in the past and has knocked out opponents the size with similar physical dimensions as Dillian Whyte.

Mairis Breidis is practically the same size as David Haye. Look at what David Haye did to a prime Dereck Chisora whilst being outweighed and with a significant size disadvantage and then compare that to what a prime Dillian Whyte did against a declining Dereck Chisora where Whyte arguably lost, despite Whyte being much bigger in size than David Haye.

Breidis weighed the same as David Haye did against Dereck Chisora, when he brutally KO'ed Manuel Charr. And Manuel Charr is roughly the same size and possesses the same physical dimensions as Dillian Whyte.

Like it or not, but Manuel Charr is actually one of the world heavyweight champions today. So he absolutely is on a similar level as those guys you've just mentioned, especially Dillian Whyte.

I'm sorry I don't rate Dillian Whyte too highly. And I'm not sure why I should anyway. Considering he is a guy who struggled heavily against a declining Dereck Chisora. What makes you think a bigger Manuel Charr couldn't do at least as well, if not better against Dillian Whyte?

You say Dillian Whyte has never been knocked out by a cruiser weight. But Dereck Chisora has (by David Haye). So why did Dillian Whyte struggle so much against a guy who was already previously KO'ed by a cruiser weight?

Are you now getting the picture? Most of the top cruiser weights are pretty much top 10 heavyweights already. They possess the size, and more importantly, the skills / athleticism. I dare say Breidis is better than Whyte and would absolutely school him, if not totally knock him out.

As for Povetkin vs Price. I think Povetkin would win by decision, but not by KO. If anybody wins by KO, then it's more likely Price and if Povetkin wins by stoppage, it would more likely be via an accumulation stoppage where the ref stops the fight after David Price takes a sustained beating or becomes physically too tired to continue.

[Luis Fernando12]

And he also never faced a cruiser weight as powerful and skilled as Mairis Breidis. So what's your point? Gassiev or Breidis arguably knock Dillian Whyte out too.

Nothing suggests Whyte is any better than Charr to me. Except in the punching power department perhaps (and even then, only by a slight margin).

Povetkin KO's Whyte in 7 rounds as he KO'ed Charr. That is, if Whyte comes to win like Charr did. If he doesn't, then he loses a lopsided 12 round unanimous decision like how Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer did.

Breidis and Gassiev are fine cruiserweights to be sure but I'm not sure what makes you think Whyte gets knocked out by someone three stone lighter than he is. The only man to beat him, never mind knock him out, is Anthony Joshua who I'm sure you'd agree, is not your common or garden heavyweight. Everyone knew Whyte was carrying a shoulder injury going into that fight yet he gave Joshua his hardest fight to date, barring Klitschko, and in fact wobbled him

Whyte is rated by all the alphabet orgs and is rated number one challenger by the WBC for Deontay Wilder's title. Like anyone else but AJ, Whyte would be the underdog in a fight with Wilder, but he is in a relatively small group of fighters that would have a realistic chance (25 - 45%) of beating him other than by a lucky perfect punch.

Ignoring cruisers and rising stars they are ... Joshua, Parker, Ortiz (rematch), Miller, Whyte, Povetkin, Pulev, Takam, Breazeale, Ruiz, reducing to the likes of Fury minor, Kownacki, Jennings, etc. Manuel Charr is emphatically not one of them. The guy is not rubbish don't get me wrong, but neither is he a top ten fighter. Whyte is.

I'm not going to disrespect you Luis. Boxing and especially heavyweight boxing in particular, has made fools of every one of us and on more than one occasion, but your ideas that Charr is better than, or equal to, Dillian Whyte, or that Price is likely to beat Povetkin are ... how shall I put it ... refreshingly unorthodox.

Whyte's also never faced a middleweight as skilled as GGG, I'm not sure it means he's lose in a head to head. You have to realise that when you go from Cruiser to Heavy you give away a lot of attributes. He's traded with one of the biggest punches in the world in Joshua, so I'm not sure why a cruiser such as Breidis has power which is really that much of a problem. Throw into the fact that Whyte has 3 inches on Breidis, and a sizeable reach advantage, he probably would struggle to even get close.

Rudenko and Hammer are B/C level fighters, and did nothing more than to survive. I don't think anyone believes that would be an approach which Whyte would adopt. As was the case against Joshua (despite being raw and unskilled) he still went to war with a guy levels above. Now Whyte has composure and technique on his side, it's a completely different equation.

Based on recent form, I opted for 'to close to call'. Although Povetkin won every round of his two last fights, he should really be putting those guys away. It just gives me enough doubt to believe that a confident and in form Whyte is enough to make this fight a lot more even than originally believed. Whyte is stronger than ever and is finally executing good technique. I personally would love to see this fight - which I know won't happen any time soon

The comparison is invalid because Golovkin never fought at heavyweight, but Mairis Breidis did. Manuel Charr has practically the same physical dimensions as Dillian Whyte and Breidis still managed to brutally KO Charr.

You could say the same about Manuel Charr with Vitali Klitschko too, Vitali Klitschko was also a big punching heavyweight at the time and Manuel Charr 'traded punches' with Vitali Klitschko for 4 rounds until he was cut but wasn't knocked out cleanly. Then he later faced Mairis Breidis and was knocked out unconscious in just 5 rounds. What makes you think Breidis lacks the power to KO a heavyweight the size of Whyte, if he already has?

There's no reason why an old Povetkin should be obliged to win by KO. It's a ridiculous expectation! At an old age, self preservation and winning by taking least amount of damage is most important and saving one's best for the most important fights is most important. Especially if an opponent is coming to survive.

[Ilya Muromets]

Breidis and Gassiev are fine cruiserweights to be sure but I'm not sure what makes you think Whyte gets knocked out by someone three stone lighter than he is. The only man to beat him, never mind knock him out, is Anthony Joshua who I'm sure you'd agree, is not your common or garden heavyweight. Everyone knew Whyte was carrying a shoulder injury going into that fight yet he gave Joshua his hardest fight to date, barring Klitschko, and in fact wobbled him

Whyte is rated by all the alphabet orgs and is rated number one challenger by the WBC for Deontay Wilder's title. Like anyone else but AJ, Whyte would be the underdog in a fight with Wilder, but he is in a relatively small group of fighters that would have a realistic chance (25 - 45%) of beating him other than by a lucky perfect punch.

Ignoring cruisers and rising stars they are ... Joshua, Parker, Ortiz (rematch), Miller, Whyte, Povetkin, Pulev, Takam, Breazeale, Ruiz, reducing to the likes of Fury minor, Kownacki, Jennings, etc. Manuel Charr is emphatically not one of them. The guy is not rubbish don't get me wrong, but neither is he a top ten fighter. Whyte is.

I'm not going to disrespect you Luis. Boxing and especially heavyweight boxing in particular, has made fools of every one of us and on more than one occasion, but your ideas that Charr is better than, or equal to, Dillian Whyte, or that Price is likely to beat Povetkin are ... how shall I put it ... refreshingly unorthodox.

Whyte's also never faced a middleweight as skilled as GGG, I'm not sure it means he's lose in a head to head. You have to realise that when you go from Cruiser to Heavy you give away a lot of attributes. He's traded with one of the biggest punches in the world in Joshua, so I'm not sure why a cruiser such as Breidis has power which is really that much of a problem. Throw into the fact that Whyte has 3 inches on Breidis, and a sizeable reach advantage, he probably would struggle to even get close.

Rudenko and Hammer are B/C level fighters, and did nothing more than to survive. I don't think anyone believes that would be an approach which Whyte would adopt. As was the case against Joshua (despite being raw and unskilled) he still went to war with a guy levels above. Now Whyte has composure and technique on his side, it's a completely different equation.

Based on recent form, I opted for 'to close to call'. Although Povetkin won every round of his two last fights, he should really be putting those guys away. It just gives me enough doubt to believe that a confident and in form Whyte is enough to make this fight a lot more even than originally believed. Whyte is stronger than ever and is finally executing good technique. I personally would love to see this fight - which I know won't happen any time soon

The comparison is invalid because Golovkin never fought at heavyweight, but Mairis Breidis did. Manuel Charr has practically the same physical dimensions as Dillian Whyte and Breidis still managed to brutally KO Charr.

You could say the same about Manuel Charr with Vitali Klitschko too, Vitali Klitschko was also a big punching heavyweight at the time and Manuel Charr 'traded punches' with Vitali Klitschko for 4 rounds until he was cut but wasn't knocked out cleanly. Then he later faced Mairis Breidis and was knocked out unconscious in just 5 rounds. What makes you think Breidis lacks the power to KO a heavyweight the size of Whyte, if he already has?

There's no reason why an old Povetkin should be obliged to win by KO. It's a ridiculous expectation! At an old age, self preservation and winning by taking least amount of damage is most important and saving one's best for the most important fights is most important. Especially if an opponent is coming to survive.

"Manuel Charr 'traded punches' with Vitali Klitschko for 4 rounds until he was cut but wasn't knocked out cleanly"

No. Vitali was beating up on Charr for four rounds. It was Vitali's final fight. He was 41. After this fight in Sep 2012 he retired from boxing and went into politics. Vitali was so good he didn't even bother to raise his hands to defend himself. Vitali is the only boxer I know who led with his head and made it totally work for him!

[Oiky]

Povetkin

[Ilya Muromets]

And here is Povetkin vs. Charr in May 2014. It was the only time that Charr had been KO'd - as opposed to Vitali's TKO - up to that point. Povetkin is the best heavyweight in boxing since the K brothers have retired. It is no wonder that the USSA and USSK don't want to risk their precious cash cows against him - and even instruct their tv talking heads not to say the "P word" when going on about heavyweight contenders and their nonsensical pound for pound lists.

[Boxing Writer]

And here is Povetkin vs. Charr in May 2014. It was the only time that Charr had been KO'd - as opposed to Vitali's TKO - up to that point. Povetkin is the best heavyweight in boxing since the K brothers have retired. It is no wonder that the USSA and USSK don't want to risk their precious cash cows against him - and even instruct their tv talking heads not to say the "P word" when going on about heavyweight contenders and their nonsensical pound for pound lists.

Cruiserweight Mairis Briedis knocked Charr out more impressively

[oogiebe]

This is one of those "should've been two three years ago." Povetkin is older now, and Whyte MAY be coming into his own (hard to say as Browne was a blob). Whyte despite the competition looked pretty good in his approach, but if Povetkin comes to fight in shape, as he always does, he'll be tough to beat. Povetkin by Decision. After fight...no one comes jumping in the ring with the possible exception of Tyson Fury!

[Ilya Muromets]

This is one of those "should've been two three years ago." Povetkin is older now, and Whyte MAY be coming into his own (hard to say as Browne was a blob). Whyte despite the competition looked pretty good in his approach, but if Povetkin comes to fight in shape, as he always does, he'll be tough to beat. Povetkin by Decision. After fight...no one comes jumping in the ring with the possible exception of Tyson Fury!

You got that last sentence right, Oogeeboogee! And yes Briedis did KO Charr most impressively.

[oogiebe]

This is one of those "should've been two three years ago." Povetkin is older now, and Whyte MAY be coming into his own (hard to say as Browne was a blob). Whyte despite the competition looked pretty good in his approach, but if Povetkin comes to fight in shape, as he always does, he'll be tough to beat. Povetkin by Decision. After fight...no one comes jumping in the ring with the possible exception of Tyson Fury!

You got that last sentence right!

Hey...what can I say...even a broken clock...

[Ilya Muromets]

This is one of those "should've been two three years ago." Povetkin is older now, and Whyte MAY be coming into his own (hard to say as Browne was a blob). Whyte despite the competition looked pretty good in his approach, but if Povetkin comes to fight in shape, as he always does, he'll be tough to beat. Povetkin by Decision. After fight...no one comes jumping in the ring with the possible exception of Tyson Fury!

You got that last sentence right!

Hey...what can I say...even a broken clock...

Nah, you're OK. I don't care what everybody else says about you!



PS I edited my response above.

[oogiebe]

You got that last sentence right!

Hey...what can I say...even a broken clock...

Nah, you're OK. I don't care what everybody else says about you!



PS I edited my response above.

LOL! So long as my daughter thinks I'm superman, that's all that matters! ...I'll recheck the other posts! Cheers!

[oogiebe]

This is one of those "should've been two three years ago." Povetkin is older now, and Whyte MAY be coming into his own (hard to say as Browne was a blob). Whyte despite the competition looked pretty good in his approach, but if Povetkin comes to fight in shape, as he always does, he'll be tough to beat. Povetkin by Decision. After fight...no one comes jumping in the ring with the possible exception of Tyson Fury!

You got that last sentence right, Oogeeboogee! And yes Briedis did KO Charr most impressively.

Did I doubt that? ...nope...I had a friend who called me that once...ONCE!! lol!

[Ilya Muromets]

This is one of those "should've been two three years ago." Povetkin is older now, and Whyte MAY be coming into his own (hard to say as Browne was a blob). Whyte despite the competition looked pretty good in his approach, but if Povetkin comes to fight in shape, as he always does, he'll be tough to beat. Povetkin by Decision. After fight...no one comes jumping in the ring with the possible exception of Tyson Fury!

You got that last sentence right, Oogeeboogee! And yes Briedis did KO Charr most impressively.

Did I doubt that? ...nope...I had a friend who called me that once...ONCE!! lol!

Called u what "once"? I would like to know so i don't suffer the same fate as your late friend!

[candyslim]

Christian Hammer v Dillian Whyte would be a fairly even fight. Hammer more likely to outpoint Whyte but Whyte's big shots probably would break Hammer down, I reckon its 40-60 in Whyte's favour. Hammer is much better than credited for.

Povetkin is not the same fighter he was a few years ago but still good enough to beat Whyte at the moment, in 18 months time it might get equal, Whyte might be better, Povetkin will be 40.

I think Whyte could give Wilder trouble, but still think Wilder would win.

Heavyweights though and one punch changes things, less things are certain with the big fellows.

It occurred to me last year that I had been neglectful of the improvement in Christian Hammer, having written him off after the Fury defeat. I've always though he versus Manuel Charr would be an interesting match.

I was just beginning to give the guy some credit for his wins and kudos for facing Povetkin but that insipid show he put up has led me to write him off again. No way does Dillian Whyte turn in such a meekly submissive performance like that against Povetkin win or lose. I agree with your Wilder v Whyte assessment.

[candyslim]

And he also never faced a cruiser weight as powerful and skilled as Mairis Breidis. So what's your point? Gassiev or Breidis arguably knock Dillian Whyte out too.

Nothing suggests Whyte is any better than Charr to me. Except in the punching power department perhaps (and even then, only by a slight margin).

Povetkin KO's Whyte in 7 rounds as he KO'ed Charr. That is, if Whyte comes to win like Charr did. If he doesn't, then he loses a lopsided 12 round unanimous decision like how Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer did.

Breidis and Gassiev are fine cruiserweights to be sure but I'm not sure what makes you think Whyte gets knocked out by someone three stone lighter than he is. The only man to beat him, never mind knock him out, is Anthony Joshua who I'm sure you'd agree, is not your common or garden heavyweight. Everyone knew Whyte was carrying a shoulder injury going into that fight yet he gave Joshua his hardest fight to date, barring Klitschko, and in fact wobbled him

Whyte is rated by all the alphabet orgs and is rated number one challenger by the WBC for Deontay Wilder's title. Like anyone else but AJ, Whyte would be the underdog in a fight with Wilder, but he is in a relatively small group of fighters that would have a realistic chance (25 - 45%) of beating him other than by a lucky perfect punch.

Ignoring cruisers and rising stars they are ... Joshua, Parker, Ortiz (rematch), Miller, Whyte, Povetkin, Pulev, Takam, Breazeale, Ruiz, reducing to the likes of Fury minor, Kownacki, Jennings, etc. Manuel Charr is emphatically not one of them. The guy is not rubbish don't get me wrong, but neither is he a top ten fighter. Whyte is.

I'm not going to disrespect you Luis. Boxing and especially heavyweight boxing in particular, has made fools of every one of us and on more than one occasion, but your ideas that Charr is better than, or equal to, Dillian Whyte, or that Price is likely to beat Povetkin are ... how shall I put it ... refreshingly unorthodox.

That's because Breidis has actually fought at heavyweight in the past and has knocked out opponents the size with similar physical dimensions as Dillian Whyte.

Mairis Breidis is practically the same size as David Haye. Look at what David Haye did to a prime Dereck Chisora whilst being outweighed and with a significant size disadvantage and then compare that to what a prime Dillian Whyte did against a declining Dereck Chisora where Whyte arguably lost, despite Whyte being much bigger in size than David Haye.

Breidis weighed the same as David Haye did against Dereck Chisora, when he brutally KO'ed Manuel Charr. And Manuel Charr is roughly the same size and possesses the same physical dimensions as Dillian Whyte.

Like it or not, but Manuel Charr is actually one of the world heavyweight champions today. So he absolutely is on a similar level as those guys you've just mentioned, especially Dillian Whyte.

I'm sorry I don't rate Dillian Whyte too highly. And I'm not sure why I should anyway. Considering he is a guy who struggled heavily against a declining Dereck Chisora. What makes you think a bigger Manuel Charr couldn't do at least as well, if not better against Dillian Whyte?

You say Dillian Whyte has never been knocked out by a cruiser weight. But Dereck Chisora has (by David Haye). So why did Dillian Whyte struggle so much against a guy who was already previously KO'ed by a cruiser weight?

Are you now getting the picture? Most of the top cruiser weights are pretty much top 10 heavyweights already. They possess the size, and more importantly, the skills / athleticism. I dare say Breidis is better than Whyte and would absolutely school him, if not totally knock him out.

As for Povetkin vs Price. I think Povetkin would win by decision, but not by KO. If anybody wins by KO, then it's more likely Price and if Povetkin wins by stoppage, it would more likely be via an accumulation stoppage where the ref stops the fight after David Price takes a sustained beating or becomes physically too tired to continue.

Briedis is a good cruiserweight but not special. I appreciate that cruiser is a very strong division and it took the best of them to defeat him, but I struggle to envisage Usyk impacting the very pinnacle of the heavyweight division never mind Briedis (or Gassiev). I can't see Briedis standing up to Anthony Joshua like Whyte did, and the same goes for Manuel Charr.

You know I once bought a book on "Logic". I thought it would be interesting and useful, but it was filled with mathematical symbols and algebraic formulae, and was of no earthly use to someone of my unspectacular intellect in resolving a dispute, so relying on less scientific methods ...

Your argument appears to be in two parts so I shall try to deal with them in turn: Firstly you contend that Charr is as good as, or better than Whyte and that since Charr was knocked out by a good cruiserweight campaigning at heavyweight then it follows that Whyte would go the same way, and therefore the two are pretty equal?

It seems to me that you are using the proposition that Charr > Whyte to reach your conclusion, when that proposition is merely a proposition, and not established fact. You cannot use a proposition in order to prove a conclusion in order to validate that proposition. It is what you call "a circular argument".

Secondly the disputed decision means that Whyte and Chisora are interchangeable so if Chisora once got knocked out by a top cruiser campaigning at heavy then Whyte would too?

That presupposes that Briedis is as good as David Haye was which is by no means a given, and you don't need me to tell you that the phrase "styles make fights" is so self-evident as to be a law rather than a saying. I made the point earlier that Chisora is a very inconsistent fighter who can turn in a very pedestrian performance or he can be a fearsome competitor if he is motivated. Believe me he was motivated against Whyte, they really do not like each other, and his performance was as good as it could ever be, so don't make the mistake of thinking Whyte had the easy ride that say Pulev or Kabayel enjoyed.

I don't think it is in any way fair to say that Briedis would have knocked out Dillian Whyte. It's only Joshua that has achieved that feat and it took him 7 rounds of discomfort to achieve it. Briedis hits hard but not like Joshua. You cannot extrapolate that Briedis is a top cruiser, Haye was a top cruiser who kayoed Chisora, who is on Whyte's level, ergo Briedis knocks out Whyte. It doesn't work like that.

Whyte is an active fighter who consistently takes on tough and/or ranked opposition, beating all of them except AJ. Apart from beating a well past it, overrated even at his peak, Alexandr Ustinov, I really don't see what Charr has done to merit equal respect, and I don't accept that holding the meaningless WBA regular title should affect anyone's opinion one way or the other.

Povetkin may find Price's height and reach problematic, but I will be surprised if he doesn't stop him.