Riddick Bowe vs Deontay Wilder

[jamamb]

there has not been one person who wilder faced in a title match who did not ever make it out of the early rounds with him

he couldnt tua-ruiz the chinny and open eric molina ffs

[Kalan]

That's because Deontay could take his time with them... He didn't with Liakhovich because he was wide open.

Just as Lewis didn't bomb Mavrovic (unknown and unheralded) out early... As I said Mav was a fairly bright guy.

Some aren't the kind of opponent you plow through.. Mavrovic wasn’t a doofus-ass like Bowe.. You have to understand the mentality of these less than sharp individuals like Bowe.. He was scared of punchers, freezing like Patterson.

As I said, Andrew Golota was doofus... Ruddock and Grant were wide open... Lewis got rid of them quick as he would have done to Bowe... They were better known and higher ranked than Mavrovic.

Sonny Liston took all night to beat Eddie Machen... Patterson beat Machen easy... Patterson was scared stiff of Liston.

[jamamb]

lmao, so it just so happens that wilder doesnt face any title opponents who are the types to plow through? not even a guy who had two first round ko losses already and been down numerous times and was subsqeuntly kod early?

your act looks lame when you reach this far

[oogiebe]

i mean , fine picking wilder, im not lmao at that, but the use of evidence from you and kalan is truly tantamount to an abortion

apparently its clear as day that wilder would do a tua-ruiz job on bowe, even though he couldnt even do one on eric molina or shot chris arreola or artur szpilka or johan duhaupas etc

you guys are obviously just fooling around

LMAO! I can smell the smoke from your trying to reconcile this. . I actually have no idea how that would turn out, and no sane person can say she/he does. However; I don't believe Bowe would beat Wilder. Blowout? WhTF knows, but I don't think Bowe would hold up.

[Kalan]

lmao, so it just so happens that wilder doesnt face any title opponents who are the types to plow through? not even a guy who had two first round ko losses already and been down numerous times and was subsqeuntly kod early?

your act looks lame when you reach this far

Eric Molina caught a KO blow in his first pro fight... Then he caught another KO blow many fights later... What does that prove??? Eddie Machen was knocked cold in the 1st round by Ingemar Johansson---but Machen went the distance with Sonny Liston.. Does that somehow mean Johansson knocks Liston out??? You can't draw those kind of conclusions.

There's a better way figure things...

1. Bowe was easy to hit... 2. Bowe was aggressive and liked to trade punches like Liakhovich did, making him easier to hit... 3. Bowe was afraid of big punchers and found excuses not to fight Lewis, Mercer, McCall, Tyson, etc.... 4. Deontay Wilder is a savage puncher... 5. Wilder is taller and has greater range than Bowe... 6. Wilder is faster than Bowe and cooler under fire.... 7. Bowe's natural fear of big punchers would make him freeze up... 8. He'd get nailed early and it has nothing to do with Holyfield who would fight an entirely different kind of Fight with Wilder.

[Awesom-O]

Bowe, he was just better. Wilder has a puncher’s chance and that’s it. Bowe had poor defense, but wilder is no defensive genius either nor does he have a chin like McCall. I think Bowe stops him in the mid rounds.

[Kalan]

Wilder didn't have a chin like McCall? ... Did Bowe fight McCall?.... He'd shitt himself before he fought a big puncher.

What was Bowe better at? He was a good brawler, but his skill set was extremely limited and he was intimidated by Lewis and other big punchers... I always thought Patterson, Frazier, Tyson, and Bowe were easy to hit if you drove punches straight at their guard... I wanted them to face a big puncher.. You couldn't be a boxer type to beat them -- you had to have some real oomph on your punches or they would run you over.. Patterson literally froze against Liston..

I waited forever for Bowe to face a big puncher and there were several great candidates... I didn't like the Holyfield matchup at all... Bowe had the height, weight, reach, and power on Holy and Holy came in really light and weak at 205... I knew he was going to brawl with Bowe... Bowe is such a chump you want to beat him up and make him quit... It went the way I feared it would... Holyfield surprised me in the rematch.. I knew he was adding a lot of muscle but didn't think he would box.. He did and got the decision.. In the 3rd fight he was having physical issues like he did with Moorer.

But with Wilder... He's a dead solid lock to nail Bowe with jabs, and his big right hand...

[tennessee]

Bowe wouldn't fight Lewis so don't think he would fight Wilder either.

[oogiebe]

Bowe wouldn't fight Lewis so don't think he would fight Wilder either.

[Kalan]

Bowe wouldn't fight Lewis so don't think he would fight Wilder either.

Bowe would rather run through Hell than fight a big puncher... Lewis? ... Tyson? ... Mercer?... McCall? ... Tua?

[Ambling Alp II]

Bowe wouldn't fight Lewis so don't think he would fight Wilder either.

Bowe did agree to fight Lewis. All Lewis had to do was beat Oliver McCall, a fighter who never showed any evidence of power outside of the Lewis fight. Lewis got decked, the referee stopped it.
Bowe fought Holyfield three times. He beat Holyfield at his best. Wilder has beaten nobody like that all.

[Kalan]

Oliver McCall, a fighter who never showed any evidence of power outside of the Lewis fight. Lewis got decked, the referee stopped it. Bowe fought Holyfield three times. He beat Holyfield at his best. Wilder has beaten nobody like that all.

WRONG both times Alp.

Henry Akinwande a towering 6'7" X 240 Heavyweight had 55 fights in his professional career... Akinwande was NEVER knocked out in his entire career except by Oliver McCall.... A past prime 38-year-old Oliver McCall hit Akinwande a shot on the chin with his Atomic Right... Akinwande fell like he was dead.

Holyfield was beaten many times his career... Luis Ortiz, 6'4" X 242 was 28-0 and probably the best southpaw Heavyweight in the History of the Heavyweight Division... Wilder is the only man to knock Ortiz down or knock him out... Ortiz maybe should have gotten the Title Fight after he knocked out Bryant Jennings well over 2 years ago....but even at 39 he is still extremely dangerous... Nobody wanted to fight him.

[oogiebe]

Oliver McCall, a fighter who never showed any evidence of power outside of the Lewis fight. Lewis got decked, the referee stopped it. Bowe fought Holyfield three times. He beat Holyfield at his best. Wilder has beaten nobody like that all.

WRONG both times Alp.

Henry Akinwande a towering 6'7" X 240 Heavyweight had 55 fights in his professional career... Akinwande was NEVER knocked out in his entire career except by Oliver McCall.... A past prime 38-year-old Oliver McCall hit Akinwande a shot on the chin with his Atomic Right... Akinwande fell like he was dead.

Holyfield was beaten many times his career... Luis Ortiz, 6'4" X 242 was 28-0 and probably the best southpaw Heavyweight in the History of the Heavyweight Division... Wilder is the only man to knock Ortiz down or knock him out... Ortiz maybe should have gotten the Title Fight after he knocked out Bryant Jennings well over 2 years ago....but even at 39 he is still extremely dangerous... Nobody wanted to fight him.

WRONG! I didn't know it was a test.

[gilgamesh]

I'll tell you what the Promotion for this fight with Wilder's screaming "Bomb Squad" and Rock Newman's crazy ass in Riddick Bowe's corner. It'd be pretty wild...even BEFORE the fight.

[Kalan]

Oliver McCall, a fighter who never showed any evidence of power outside of the Lewis fight. Lewis got decked, the referee stopped it. Bowe fought Holyfield three times. He beat Holyfield at his best. Wilder has beaten nobody like that all.

WRONG both times Alp.

Henry Akinwande a towering 6'7" X 240 Heavyweight had 55 fights in his professional career... Akinwande was NEVER knocked out in his entire career except by Oliver McCall.... A past prime 38-year-old Oliver McCall hit Akinwande a shot on the chin with his Atomic Right... Akinwande fell like he was dead.

Holyfield was beaten many times his career... Luis Ortiz, 6'4" X 242 was 28-0 and probably the best southpaw Heavyweight in the History of the Heavyweight Division... Wilder is the only man to knock Ortiz down or knock him out... Ortiz maybe should have gotten the Title Fight after he knocked out Bryant Jennings well over 2 years ago....but even at 39 he is still extremely dangerous... Nobody wanted to fight him.

WRONG! I didn't know it was a test.

Needn't BE a test... Drive the wrong way on a one-way street when it's NOT a driving test ... and cause a smashup???

You're still wrong.... Glad you're backing Wilder on this one.

[Ambling Alp II]

Oliver McCall, a fighter who never showed any evidence of power outside of the Lewis fight. Lewis got decked, the referee stopped it. Bowe fought Holyfield three times. He beat Holyfield at his best. Wilder has beaten nobody like that all.

WRONG both times Alp.

Henry Akinwande a towering 6'7" X 240 Heavyweight had 55 fights in his professional career... Akinwande was NEVER knocked out in his entire career except by Oliver McCall.... A past prime 38-year-old Oliver McCall hit Akinwande a shot on the chin with his Atomic Right... Akinwande fell like he was dead.

Holyfield was beaten many times his career... Luis Ortiz, 6'4" X 242 was 28-0 and probably the best southpaw Heavyweight in the History of the Heavyweight Division... Wilder is the only man to knock Ortiz down or knock him out... Ortiz maybe should have gotten the Title Fight after he knocked out Bryant Jennings well over 2 years ago....but even at 39 he is still extremely dangerous... Nobody wanted to fight him.

WRONG! I didn't know it was a test.

A KO over a 39 year old Henry Akinwande! How impressive. How could I overlook such an achievement. Akinwande went the distance against so many sluggers. Lets see there was....
Interesting how KO% is used as proof as being important in judging power (when convenient) yet McCall has just a 51% KO rate.
Took McCall 9 rounds to stop glass jaw Bruce Seldon.
How long did Seldon last against Bowe?

[oogiebe]

WRONG both times Alp.

Henry Akinwande a towering 6'7" X 240 Heavyweight had 55 fights in his professional career... Akinwande was NEVER knocked out in his entire career except by Oliver McCall.... A past prime 38-year-old Oliver McCall hit Akinwande a shot on the chin with his Atomic Right... Akinwande fell like he was dead.

Holyfield was beaten many times his career... Luis Ortiz, 6'4" X 242 was 28-0 and probably the best southpaw Heavyweight in the History of the Heavyweight Division... Wilder is the only man to knock Ortiz down or knock him out... Ortiz maybe should have gotten the Title Fight after he knocked out Bryant Jennings well over 2 years ago....but even at 39 he is still extremely dangerous... Nobody wanted to fight him.

WRONG! I didn't know it was a test.

A KO over a 39 year old Henry Akinwande! How impressive. How could I overlook such an achievement. Akinwande went the distance against so many sluggers. Lets see there was....
Interesting how KO% is used as proof as being important in judging power (when convenient) yet McCall has just a 51% KO rate.
Took McCall 9 rounds to stop glass jaw Bruce Seldon.
How long did Seldon last against Bowe?

Same Akinwande who was DQ'd for being scared and holding on for dear life?

[jas80s]

Oliver McCall, a fighter who never showed any evidence of power outside of the Lewis fight. Lewis got decked, the referee stopped it. Bowe fought Holyfield three times. He beat Holyfield at his best. Wilder has beaten nobody like that all.

WRONG both times Alp.

Henry Akinwande a towering 6'7" X 240 Heavyweight had 55 fights in his professional career... Akinwande was NEVER knocked out in his entire career except by Oliver McCall.... A past prime 38-year-old Oliver McCall hit Akinwande a shot on the chin with his Atomic Right... Akinwande fell like he was dead.

Holyfield was beaten many times his career... Luis Ortiz, 6'4" X 242 was 28-0 and probably the best southpaw Heavyweight in the History of the Heavyweight Division... Wilder is the only man to knock Ortiz down or knock him out... Ortiz maybe should have gotten the Title Fight after he knocked out Bryant Jennings well over 2 years ago....but even at 39 he is still extremely dangerous... Nobody wanted to fight him.

I can't quite follow your take on Luis Ortiz. In the above post you seem to regard the win as a tremendous one for Wilder that would seem to indicate that he would easily handle Bowe. But, below you downplay the win, repeatedly referencing the idea that Ortiz was fat, old, couldn't get his shots off anymore, and gave a performance reminiscent of Ali vs Holmes. And still, Wilder was on the doorstep of losing....why would anyone be overly impressed with that?

According to your posts, Ortiz at 28-0 and 39 years of age was simultaneously the best Southpaw heavyweight in the History of the HW division, extremely dangerous, fat, old, couldn't pull the trigger, and like Ali in the Holmes fight. It's an interesting take.

Tyson Fury has NO chance... He can barely change his own undies at this point -- just listen to his gravelly voice.

Wilder has faced one good boxer -- who happened to be a fat, middle-aged man on high blood pressure meds... Wilder was in serious trouble and very nearly knocked out... The old timer just couldn't pull the trigger.

People keep saying Wilder is faster than Joshua... He's not faster... Watch the first 4 rounds of the Wilder-Washington Fight... Washington can't box very well but he was actually the faster athlete -- who easily won those rounds.

Joshua is a lot faster than Washington and has 10 X the boxing skills... I see AJ dominating and winning by KO... Ortiz was slowed by age and high blood pressure meds... He didn't have it anymore... He was like Ali against Holmes -- fat and old.

If you're 39 years old and have been self indulgent all your life like Ortiz -- age WILL catch up to you and it DID!!!

[ElJefe]

Bowe easy. Wilder has no more than a puncher's chance.

[ElJefe]

Oliver McCall, a fighter who never showed any evidence of power outside of the Lewis fight. Lewis got decked, the referee stopped it. Bowe fought Holyfield three times. He beat Holyfield at his best. Wilder has beaten nobody like that all.

WRONG both times Alp.

Henry Akinwande a towering 6'7" X 240 Heavyweight had 55 fights in his professional career... Akinwande was NEVER knocked out in his entire career except by Oliver McCall.... A past prime 38-year-old Oliver McCall hit Akinwande a shot on the chin with his Atomic Right... Akinwande fell like he was dead.

Holyfield was beaten many times his career... Luis Ortiz, 6'4" X 242 was 28-0 and probably the best southpaw Heavyweight in the History of the Heavyweight Division... Wilder is the only man to knock Ortiz down or knock him out... Ortiz maybe should have gotten the Title Fight after he knocked out Bryant Jennings well over 2 years ago....but even at 39 he is still extremely dangerous... Nobody wanted to fight him.

I can't quite follow your take on Luis Ortiz. In the above post you seem to regard the win as a tremendous one for Wilder that would seem to indicate that he would easily handle Bowe. But, below you downplay the win, repeatedly referencing the idea that Ortiz was fat, old, couldn't get his shots off anymore, and gave a performance reminiscent of Ali vs Holmes. And still, Wilder was on the doorstep of losing....why would anyone be overly impressed with that?

According to your posts, Ortiz at 28-0 and 39 years of age was simultaneously the best Southpaw heavyweight in the History of the HW division, extremely dangerous, fat, old, couldn't pull the trigger, and like Ali in the Holmes fight. It's an interesting take.

Tyson Fury has NO chance... He can barely change his own undies at this point -- just listen to his gravelly voice.

Wilder has faced one good boxer -- who happened to be a fat, middle-aged man on high blood pressure meds... Wilder was in serious trouble and very nearly knocked out... The old timer just couldn't pull the trigger.

People keep saying Wilder is faster than Joshua... He's not faster... Watch the first 4 rounds of the Wilder-Washington Fight... Washington can't box very well but he was actually the faster athlete -- who easily won those rounds.

Joshua is a lot faster than Washington and has 10 X the boxing skills... I see AJ dominating and winning by KO... Ortiz was slowed by age and high blood pressure meds... He didn't have it anymore... He was like Ali against Holmes -- fat and old.

If you're 39 years old and have been self indulgent all your life like Ortiz -- age WILL catch up to you and it DID!!!

[Kalan]

Ortiz was obviously diminished... He hadn't been beaten or had ever been close to being beaten... He certainly wasn't in the same poor condition Ali was in... He pulled the trigger well enough to get Wilder in trouble, but he couldn't finish... However those counter punches Ortiz landed to get Wilder going were some of the better punches you've ever seen... He still has a lot left and is dangerous as Hell... He's just slipped below the line to compete with the best in the world.

Holyfield on the other hand was fairly easy to hit... He had gaping holes in his defense for right hands coming over the top from tall fighters like Bowe and left hooks in the short ribs with Toney exploited... He could also be jabbed to death as Lewis and Donald demonstrated... An old Holyfield couldn't compete with an old Ortiz... He'd get ripped out.

[Kalan]

And BTW... Bowe was so easy to hit he was done early... An old Bowe couldn't compete with any top Heavyweight.

And there's no doubt why you duck big punchers if you're that easy to hit.