What sport have you been watching? Are you not aware that smaller fighters (with less water weight to lose) routinely drain similar amounts to make weight without needing to amputate limbs? Are people really this much in the dark?
Listen i've watched boxing for 40 YEARS,Wilder simply couldn't do it SAFELY is what i'm saying,he's very tall with skinny legs and was ill last time out,he just doesn't have the excess fluid or body fat to do it,it's simple really.
He would do it just as "safely" as every other fighter that cuts weight. And as a living human being, he has more than enough "fluids" as well. Believe it or not larger people have more water in them then smaller people.
Listen i've watched boxing for 40 YEARS,Wilder simply couldn't do it SAFELY is what i'm saying,he's very tall with skinny legs and was ill last time out,he just doesn't have the excess fluid or body fat to do it,it's simple really.
He would do it just as "safely" as every other fighter that cuts weight. And as a living human being, he has more than enough "fluids" as well. Believe it or not larger people have more water in them then smaller people.
He would do it just as "safely" as every other fighter that cuts weight. And as a living human being, he has more than enough "fluids" as well. Believe it or not larger people have more water in them then smaller people.
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Ok teacher i have a question,How would the world heavyweight champion,who is now 32 manage to move down a weight division,thereby losing 14 pounds,when taking into account the last time he weighed similar was 9 years ago,his low weight for his last fight was in his words,due to illness ?
Depends who the teacher is and whether they talk crap or not
You're blessed to have a good one then!
Ok teacher i have a question,How would the world heavyweight champion,who is now 32 manage to move down a weight division,thereby losing 14 pounds,when taking into account the last time he weighed similar was 9 years ago,his low weight for his last fight was in his words,due to illness ?
Because the adult human male body is approximately 60% water. Wilder does not currently cut any water to weigh in, so he's weighing in dry and still coming in around 220-225. He has a large amount of lean muscle tissue; muscles are 75-80% water while fat cells are much much lower. More lean muscle equals more water that can be cut for 24 hour weigh ins. This alone proves he could make it, but let's take it a step further. Smaller athletes are able to do this and indeed regularly do this.
Just a few examples of smaller fighters (remember now they have less water to play with than Wilder does) rehydrating after weigh ins. Obviously cutting water to weigh in is the norm (why do you suppose we even have 24 hour weigh ins?) for smaller weight class fighters. The heavier of the fighters above cut on average 11.25% of their total body weight in water, which would put Wilder at 199.6 given a starting point of 225 (a weight he's been at or above only 8 times in 40 fights). Given Wilders larger amount of lean muscle (and water) he can absolutely make Cruiserweight.
Ok teacher i have a question,How would the world heavyweight champion,who is now 32 manage to move down a weight division,thereby losing 14 pounds,when taking into account the last time he weighed similar was 9 years ago,his low weight for his last fight was in his words,due to illness ?
Because the adult human male body is approximately 60% water. Wilder does not currently cut any water to weigh in, so he's weighing in dry and still coming in around 220-225. He has a large amount of lean muscle tissue; muscles are 75-80% water while fat cells are much much lower. More lean muscle equals more water that can be cut for 24 hour weigh ins. This alone proves he could make it, but let's take it a step further. Smaller athletes are able to do this and indeed regularly do this.
Just a few examples of smaller fighters (remember now they have less water to play with than Wilder does) rehydrating after weigh ins. Obviously cutting water to weigh in is the norm (why do you suppose we even have 24 hour weigh ins?) for smaller weight class fighters. The heavier of the fighters above cut on average 11.25% of their total body weight in water, which would put Wilder at 199.6 given a starting point of 225 (a weight he's been at or above only 8 times in 40 fights). Given Wilders larger amount of lean muscle (and water) he can absolutely make Cruiserweight.
Hope that helps
How did those fights work out for Moseley, Kirkland, Montiel and Ortiz?
Ok teacher i have a question,How would the world heavyweight champion,who is now 32 manage to move down a weight division,thereby losing 14 pounds,when taking into account the last time he weighed similar was 9 years ago,his low weight for his last fight was in his words,due to illness ?
Because the adult human male body is approximately 60% water. Wilder does not currently cut any water to weigh in, so he's weighing in dry and still coming in around 220-225. He has a large amount of lean muscle tissue; muscles are 75-80% water while fat cells are much much lower. More lean muscle equals more water that can be cut for 24 hour weigh ins. This alone proves he could make it, but let's take it a step further. Smaller athletes are able to do this and indeed regularly do this.
Just a few examples of smaller fighters (remember now they have less water to play with than Wilder does) rehydrating after weigh ins. Obviously cutting water to weigh in is the norm (why do you suppose we even have 24 hour weigh ins?) for smaller weight class fighters. The heavier of the fighters above cut on average 11.25% of their total body weight in water, which would put Wilder at 199.6 given a starting point of 225 (a weight he's been at or above only 8 times in 40 fights). Given Wilders larger amount of lean muscle (and water) he can absolutely make Cruiserweight.
Hope that helps
How did those fights work out for Moseley, Kirkland, Montiel and Ortiz?
Because the adult human male body is approximately 60% water. Wilder does not currently cut any water to weigh in, so he's weighing in dry and still coming in around 220-225. He has a large amount of lean muscle tissue; muscles are 75-80% water while fat cells are much much lower. More lean muscle equals more water that can be cut for 24 hour weigh ins. This alone proves he could make it, but let's take it a step further. Smaller athletes are able to do this and indeed regularly do this.
Just a few examples of smaller fighters (remember now they have less water to play with than Wilder does) rehydrating after weigh ins. Obviously cutting water to weigh in is the norm (why do you suppose we even have 24 hour weigh ins?) for smaller weight class fighters. The heavier of the fighters above cut on average 11.25% of their total body weight in water, which would put Wilder at 199.6 given a starting point of 225 (a weight he's been at or above only 8 times in 40 fights). Given Wilders larger amount of lean muscle (and water) he can absolutely make Cruiserweight.
Hope that helps
How did those fights work out for Moseley, Kirkland, Montiel and Ortiz?
Ok teacher i have a question,How would the world heavyweight champion,who is now 32 manage to move down a weight division,thereby losing 14 pounds,when taking into account the last time he weighed similar was 9 years ago,his low weight for his last fight was in his words,due to illness ?
Because the adult human male body is approximately 60% water. Wilder does not currently cut any water to weigh in, so he's weighing in dry and still coming in around 220-225. He has a large amount of lean muscle tissue; muscles are 75-80% water while fat cells are much much lower. More lean muscle equals more water that can be cut for 24 hour weigh ins. This alone proves he could make it, but let's take it a step further. Smaller athletes are able to do this and indeed regularly do this.
Just a few examples of smaller fighters (remember now they have less water to play with than Wilder does) rehydrating after weigh ins. Obviously cutting water to weigh in is the norm (why do you suppose we even have 24 hour weigh ins?) for smaller weight class fighters. The heavier of the fighters above cut on average 11.25% of their total body weight in water, which would put Wilder at 199.6 given a starting point of 225 (a weight he's been at or above only 8 times in 40 fights). Given Wilders larger amount of lean muscle (and water) he can absolutely make Cruiserweight.
Hope that helps
How did those fights work out for Moseley, Kirkland, Montiel and Ortiz?
Golovin rehydrates 10-12 pounds, Canelo rehydrates 15+ pounds, McGregor was 168 in the cage after making 145, Renan Barao was 158 against Faber after making 135. I thought literally everyone knew fighters in boxing and mma cut water. Were you not aware?
I don't believe extensive weight draining is a help in the ring. A lot of guys do it because it's become a popularized opinion that it's some sort of advantage, but I think you'd be much better off just being in Tip Top condition, and not draining weight. If you're gaining near 20 pounds overnight something was horribly out of whack with your body, and there's no way you can be performing at your absolute best under those circumstances.
The guy that don't make a habit of serious weight draining tend to have longer careers, and longer stays at the top.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 12:37
I don't believe extensive weight draining is a help in the ring. A lot of guys do it because it's become a popularized opinion that it's some sort of advantage, but I think you'd be much better off just being in Tip Top condition, and not draining weight. If you're gaining near 20 pounds overnight something was horribly out of whack with your body, and there's no way you can be performing at your absolute best under those circumstances.
The guy that don't make a habit of serious weight draining tend to have longer careers, and longer stays at the top.
Excessive weight cutting shortens careers. It's also rampant across all combat sports. The fighters who do not cut at least ten pounds are extremely rare. I can think of three off the top of my head: Floyd, Manny, and Frankie Edgar.
My point was never that Wilder would dominate Cruiserweight, but the fact is he could make the weight and perform well: at least in title contention and more if his body is as good at rehydrating as Canelo, Stevenson, McGregor, Woodley, etc.
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gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 12:37
I don't believe extensive weight draining is a help in the ring. A lot of guys do it because it's become a popularized opinion that it's some sort of advantage, but I think you'd be much better off just being in Tip Top condition, and not draining weight. If you're gaining near 20 pounds overnight something was horribly out of whack with your body, and there's no way you can be performing at your absolute best under those circumstances.
The guy that don't make a habit of serious weight draining tend to have longer careers, and longer stays at the top.
Excessive weight cutting shortens careers. It's also rampant across all combat sports. The fighters who do not cut at least ten pounds are extremely rare. I can think of three off the top of my head: Floyd, Manny, and Frankie Edgar.
My point was never that Wilder would dominate Cruiserweight, but the fact is he could make the weight and perform well: at least in title contention and more if his body is as good at rehydrating as Canelo, Stevenson, McGregor, Woodley, etc.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 12:43
By the way, Kudryashov is 32 or so and drains to make weight. The guy is an enormous CW. Usyk is a big CW that drains too, and he's in his 30's.
A lot of HW's can make CW. There are some that can't because of roiding *cough* AJ.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 12:37
I don't believe extensive weight draining is a help in the ring. A lot of guys do it because it's become a popularized opinion that it's some sort of advantage, but I think you'd be much better off just being in Tip Top condition, and not draining weight. If you're gaining near 20 pounds overnight something was horribly out of whack with your body, and there's no way you can be performing at your absolute best under those circumstances.
The guy that don't make a habit of serious weight draining tend to have longer careers, and longer stays at the top.
Excessive weight cutting shortens careers. It's also rampant across all combat sports. The fighters who do not cut at least ten pounds are extremely rare. I can think of three off the top of my head: Floyd, Manny, and Frankie Edgar.
My point was never that Wilder would dominate Cruiserweight, but the fact is he could make the weight and perform well: at least in title contention and more if his body is as good at rehydrating as Canelo, Stevenson, McGregor, Woodley, etc.
Yep I know about it.
I think they should bring back same day weigh ins. It would bring a lot of that sh*t to a stop.
Ok teacher i have a question,How would the world heavyweight champion,who is now 32 manage to move down a weight division,thereby losing 14 pounds,when taking into account the last time he weighed similar was 9 years ago,his low weight for his last fight was in his words,due to illness ?
Because the adult human male body is approximately 60% water. Wilder does not currently cut any water to weigh in, so he's weighing in dry and still coming in around 220-225. He has a large amount of lean muscle tissue; muscles are 75-80% water while fat cells are much much lower. More lean muscle equals more water that can be cut for 24 hour weigh ins. This alone proves he could make it, but let's take it a step further. Smaller athletes are able to do this and indeed regularly do this.
Just a few examples of smaller fighters (remember now they have less water to play with than Wilder does) rehydrating after weigh ins. Obviously cutting water to weigh in is the norm (why do you suppose we even have 24 hour weigh ins?) for smaller weight class fighters. The heavier of the fighters above cut on average 11.25% of their total body weight in water, which would put Wilder at 199.6 given a starting point of 225 (a weight he's been at or above only 8 times in 40 fights). Given Wilders larger amount of lean muscle (and water) he can absolutely make Cruiserweight.
Ok teacher i have a question,How would the world heavyweight champion,who is now 32 manage to move down a weight division,thereby losing 14 pounds,when taking into account the last time he weighed similar was 9 years ago,his low weight for his last fight was in his words,due to illness ?
Because the adult human male body is approximately 60% water. Wilder does not currently cut any water to weigh in, so he's weighing in dry and still coming in around 220-225. He has a large amount of lean muscle tissue; muscles are 75-80% water while fat cells are much much lower. More lean muscle equals more water that can be cut for 24 hour weigh ins. This alone proves he could make it, but let's take it a step further. Smaller athletes are able to do this and indeed regularly do this.
Just a few examples of smaller fighters (remember now they have less water to play with than Wilder does) rehydrating after weigh ins. Obviously cutting water to weigh in is the norm (why do you suppose we even have 24 hour weigh ins?) for smaller weight class fighters. The heavier of the fighters above cut on average 11.25% of their total body weight in water, which would put Wilder at 199.6 given a starting point of 225 (a weight he's been at or above only 8 times in 40 fights). Given Wilders larger amount of lean muscle (and water) he can absolutely make Cruiserweight.
Hope that helps
No he can't
Giving up like that is definitely the best option for you in this conversation
Because the adult human male body is approximately 60% water. Wilder does not currently cut any water to weigh in, so he's weighing in dry and still coming in around 220-225. He has a large amount of lean muscle tissue; muscles are 75-80% water while fat cells are much much lower. More lean muscle equals more water that can be cut for 24 hour weigh ins. This alone proves he could make it, but let's take it a step further. Smaller athletes are able to do this and indeed regularly do this.
Just a few examples of smaller fighters (remember now they have less water to play with than Wilder does) rehydrating after weigh ins. Obviously cutting water to weigh in is the norm (why do you suppose we even have 24 hour weigh ins?) for smaller weight class fighters. The heavier of the fighters above cut on average 11.25% of their total body weight in water, which would put Wilder at 199.6 given a starting point of 225 (a weight he's been at or above only 8 times in 40 fights). Given Wilders larger amount of lean muscle (and water) he can absolutely make Cruiserweight.
Hope that helps
No he can't
Giving up like that is definitely the best option for you in this conversation
I haven't given up,i just believe he couldn't do it safely,it's clear from his body shape that dropping 14 lbs would seriously weaken him,he was ripped to hell in the last fight,where the hell is he going to find another 14lbs and be strong and fit ?
Giving up like that is definitely the best option for you in this conversation
I haven't given up,i just believe he couldn't do it safely,it's clear from his body shape that dropping 14 lbs would seriously weaken him,he was ripped to hell in the last fight,where the hell is he going to find another 14lbs and be strong and fit ?
Giving up like that is definitely the best option for you in this conversation
I haven't given up,i just believe he couldn't do it safely,it's clear from his body shape that dropping 14 lbs would seriously weaken him,he was ripped to hell in the last fight,where the hell is he going to find another 14lbs and be strong and fit ?
Read my post, it's all there.
So are you saying every heavyweight could make cruiser ?
