sounds like AJ will give up WBA title if SASHA wins purse bid --- HEARN !

[oogiebe]

Wait...didn't we just go through this?! Deja vu!

[Wales]

wouldnt surprise me if wlad dropped wilder, wilder was more sloppy back then and wlad could really crack, but since when does wlad throw body shots lol.

you always have to be skeptical with these sparring stories but there are truth to some, for example rumours were out about big pricey dropping aj in sparring, and aj eventually conceded it was true. but then its rumoured a bunch of other fighters dropped aj and theres really no evidence, and ppl who trained together with them say they never saw it

AJ came clean with the Price story. It's no shame to be dropped in sparring, but some of the stories are outrageous! If AJ admitted one, then AJ has the integrity and the others are bullocks. (I can't believe I used that term!)

Won a lot of money on Price Thompson 2 because of what happened with Price in sparring in the run up to their second contest.

Footage of Mike Tyson being dropped by cruiserweight Glen Mcrory in sparring . Just sparring i guess isn’t it .

I doubt after sparring 50 rounds and allegedly putting Wilder over Wlad wouldve been scared to fight him tho.

[Wales]

Wilder said last year that Wlad turned him down before he fought AJ. Maybe there was a reason for that? He sparred with both so he probably knew who he could beat. He had the fight won but made a tactical error that cost him. Maybe the reason Wlad looked so good was because AJ isn't that good.

Team AJ must see something in Povetkin that they don't like, or a purse bid wouldn't make him give up a belt.

Never heard that, but I'd believe it.

Any links?

[oogiebe]

Wilder said last year that Wlad turned him down before he fought AJ. Maybe there was a reason for that? He sparred with both so he probably knew who he could beat. He had the fight won but made a tactical error that cost him. Maybe the reason Wlad looked so good was because AJ isn't that good.

Team AJ must see something in Povetkin that they don't like, or a purse bid wouldn't make him give up a belt.

Never heard that, but I'd believe it.

Any links?

Trust but verify! LMAO! Love it!

[jamamb]

Wilder said last year that Wlad turned him down before he fought AJ. Maybe there was a reason for that? He sparred with both so he probably knew who he could beat. He had the fight won but made a tactical error that cost him. Maybe the reason Wlad looked so good was because AJ isn't that good.

Team AJ must see something in Povetkin that they don't like, or a purse bid wouldn't make him give up a belt.

Never heard that, but I'd believe it.

Any links?

[IRLangmaid25]

Whether it is Wilder and or Povetkin just make it happen. I want to see Anthony Joshua tested in by either or both of them depending on what occurs.

Amen, my Langmaid brother!

Its quite simple, I want to see who is the real deal who isnt when Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder, and when it happens I think Anthony Joshua will beat Deontay Wilder by a vicious knockout, as I think he is more composed and clinical than Wilder is.

[Luis Fernando12]

You changed your opinion totally since the post you put up 3 hours earlier

That post you quoted of mine was weeks age.

Yes, you presented your opinion that Joshua wouldn't be able to stop Povetkin in the morning, then by the early afternoon you were of the persuasion that Joshua would brutally annihilate Povetkin

Although it was April 1 so more fool me?

I thought you were referring to me changing my decision this week. Yes, I changed my decision within a day after thinking about the match up. I think there should be a new super heavyweight division which separates small heavyweights like Takam and Povetkin from big heavyweights like Joshua and Fury.

Not sure why Joshua should ever receive any credit for beating someone as small as Povetkin. No more than Golovkin should receive credit for beating Lomachenko.

I've come to accept that the modern trend of SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua are the norm now. And I don't see them being dethroned by any small heavyweights from being the number 1 dominant heavyweight champions. Upsets may happen! But they will only be far and between. The heavyweight division will always be dominated by elite super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury for the foreseeable future. Small heavyweights have now become irrelevant and useless in the modern heavyweight era. And as more and more time passes, my point will be proven to be correct. Just give it some time!

[Boxing Writer]

That post you quoted of mine was weeks age.

Yes, you presented your opinion that Joshua wouldn't be able to stop Povetkin in the morning, then by the early afternoon you were of the persuasion that Joshua would brutally annihilate Povetkin

Although it was April 1 so more fool me?

I thought you were referring to me changing my decision this week. Yes, I changed my decision within a day after thinking about the match up. I think there should be a new super heavyweight division which separates small heavyweights like Takam and Povetkin from big heavyweights like Joshua and Fury.

Not sure why Joshua should ever receive any credit for beating someone as small as Povetkin. No more than Golovkin should receive credit for beating Lomachenko.

I've come to accept that the modern trend of SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua are the norm now. And I don't see them being dethroned by any small heavyweights from being the number 1 dominant heavyweight champions. Upsets may happen! But they will only be far and between. The heavyweight division will always be dominated by elite super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury for the foreseeable future. Small heavyweights have now become irrelevant and useless in the modern heavyweight era. And as more and more time passes, my point will be proven to be correct. Just give it some time!

The differece between GGG and Loma is much bigger than the difference between AJ and Povetkin.

Just pure math:

Golovkin's max weight - 161¼ lbs, Lomachenko's max weight - 130 lbs. 161¼/130 = 1.24

AJ's max weight - 254 lbs, Povetkin's max weight - 231½ lbs. 254/231½ = 1.097

1.24 >>> 1.097

The fighter's max weight should be 142.6 lbs for difference between him and Lomachenko to be the same as difference between AJ and Povetkin.

[Luis Fernando12]

Yes, you presented your opinion that Joshua wouldn't be able to stop Povetkin in the morning, then by the early afternoon you were of the persuasion that Joshua would brutally annihilate Povetkin

Although it was April 1 so more fool me?

I thought you were referring to me changing my decision this week. Yes, I changed my decision within a day after thinking about the match up. I think there should be a new super heavyweight division which separates small heavyweights like Takam and Povetkin from big heavyweights like Joshua and Fury.

Not sure why Joshua should ever receive any credit for beating someone as small as Povetkin. No more than Golovkin should receive credit for beating Lomachenko.

I've come to accept that the modern trend of SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua are the norm now. And I don't see them being dethroned by any small heavyweights from being the number 1 dominant heavyweight champions. Upsets may happen! But they will only be far and between. The heavyweight division will always be dominated by elite super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury for the foreseeable future. Small heavyweights have now become irrelevant and useless in the modern heavyweight era. And as more and more time passes, my point will be proven to be correct. Just give it some time!

The differece between GGG and Loma is much bigger than the difference between AJ and Povetkin.

Just pure math:

Golovkin's max weight - 161¼ lbs, Lomachenko's max weight - 130 lbs. 161¼/130 = 1.24

AJ's max weight - 254 lbs, Povetkin's max weight - 231½ lbs. 254/231½ = 1.097

1.24 >>> 1.097

The fighter's max weight should be 142.6 lbs for difference between him and Lomachenko to be the same as difference between AJ and Povetkin.

I understand that the comparison between Golovkin and Lomachenko isn't perfect. I was simply trying to make a point! Most of the weight divisions below 200 pounds are separated by less than 10 pounds. Whilst a heavyweight that weighs 215 pounds is not prevented from facing an opponent that outweighs him by 50 pounds sometimes and even more. What is the reason behind this?

Keep in mind, that Povetkin carries a lot of non-functional weight such as fat. Remove them, Povetkin's functional size / weight will be even less compared to Anthony Joshua who is a physical specimen at +240 pounds without non-functional weight.

Whilst Golovkin and Lomachenko don't carry as much non-functional weight or fat that Povetkin carries. Povetkin would probably weigh around 215 pounds of functional size and weight. And the size difference between him and Joshua would become even greater with that being the case.

[Rob3_142]

I understand that the comparison between Golovkin and Lomachenko isn't perfect. I was simply trying to make a point! Most of the weight divisions below 200 pounds are separated by less than 10 pounds. Whilst a heavyweight that weighs 215 pounds is not prevented from facing an opponent that outweighs him by 50 pounds sometimes and even more. What is the reason behind this?

Keep in mind, that Povetkin carries a lot of non-functional weight such as fat. Remove them, Povetkin's functional size / weight will be even less compared to Anthony Joshua who is a physical specimen at +240 pounds without non-functional weight.

Whilst Golovkin and Lomachenko don't carry as much non-functional weight or fat that Povetkin carries. Povetkin would probably weigh around 215 pounds of functional size and weight. And the size difference between him and Joshua would become even greater with that being the case.

'Non-functional weight' give over!

Once again, Wilder was 214 lb in his last fight, but still holds the advantages over Povetkin (229 lb) and the like. Also, would you stop Wilder fighting Joshua and Fury? Because clearly Joshua and Fury holds a significant weight advant...... oh wait, you consider Wilder v Joshua to be a gross mismatch?

It's clear that you're tripping up over your own feet here, saying stupid things, changing your mind then having to re-position yourself. Why don't you go away, have a think, maybe write it all down on a piece of paper, and come back to us?

[Luis Fernando12]

I understand that the comparison between Golovkin and Lomachenko isn't perfect. I was simply trying to make a point! Most of the weight divisions below 200 pounds are separated by less than 10 pounds. Whilst a heavyweight that weighs 215 pounds is not prevented from facing an opponent that outweighs him by 50 pounds sometimes and even more. What is the reason behind this?

Keep in mind, that Povetkin carries a lot of non-functional weight such as fat. Remove them, Povetkin's functional size / weight will be even less compared to Anthony Joshua who is a physical specimen at +240 pounds without non-functional weight.

Whilst Golovkin and Lomachenko don't carry as much non-functional weight or fat that Povetkin carries. Povetkin would probably weigh around 215 pounds of functional size and weight. And the size difference between him and Joshua would become even greater with that being the case.

'Non-functional weight' give over!

Once again, Wilder was 214 lb in his last fight, but still holds the advantages over Povetkin (229 lb) and the like. Also, would you stop Wilder fighting Joshua and Fury? Because clearly Joshua and Fury holds a significant weight advant...... oh wait, you consider Wilder v Joshua to be a gross mismatch?

It's clear that you're tripping up over your own feet here, saying stupid things, changing your mind then having to re-position yourself. Why don't you go away, have a think, maybe write it all down on a piece of paper, and come back to us?

Again, you either keep missing the point or ignoring the point!

Wilder ONLY once, in his last 10 fights weighed as low as he did against Luis Ortiz. That's an exception and not the norm. That was because he was ill. I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. Wilder's ideal weight is around the 230 pound mark. And I believe he'll weigh around 230 pounds at peak condition if / when he fights Anthony Joshua.

Deontay Wilder around the 230 pound mark is significantly different from blown up cruiser weights like Alexander Povetkin. That's because unlike those blown up cruiser weights, Wilder carries almost no NON-FUNCTIONAL weight. Wilder is 230 pounds of almost exclusively muscles and functional weight composition. The same isn't the case with Alexander Povetkin and other 'fake' heavyweights or blown up cruisers / light heavies.

[Rob3_142]

I understand that the comparison between Golovkin and Lomachenko isn't perfect. I was simply trying to make a point! Most of the weight divisions below 200 pounds are separated by less than 10 pounds. Whilst a heavyweight that weighs 215 pounds is not prevented from facing an opponent that outweighs him by 50 pounds sometimes and even more. What is the reason behind this?

Keep in mind, that Povetkin carries a lot of non-functional weight such as fat. Remove them, Povetkin's functional size / weight will be even less compared to Anthony Joshua who is a physical specimen at +240 pounds without non-functional weight.

Whilst Golovkin and Lomachenko don't carry as much non-functional weight or fat that Povetkin carries. Povetkin would probably weigh around 215 pounds of functional size and weight. And the size difference between him and Joshua would become even greater with that being the case.

'Non-functional weight' give over!

Once again, Wilder was 214 lb in his last fight, but still holds the advantages over Povetkin (229 lb) and the like. Also, would you stop Wilder fighting Joshua and Fury? Because clearly Joshua and Fury holds a significant weight advant...... oh wait, you consider Wilder v Joshua to be a gross mismatch?

It's clear that you're tripping up over your own feet here, saying stupid things, changing your mind then having to re-position yourself. Why don't you go away, have a think, maybe write it all down on a piece of paper, and come back to us?

Again, you either keep missing the point or ignoring the point!

Wilder ONLY once, in his last 10 fights weighed as low as he did against Luis Ortiz. That's an exception and not the norm. That was because he was ill. I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. Wilder's ideal weight is around the 230 pound mark. And I believe he'll weigh around 230 pounds at peak condition if / when he fights Anthony Joshua.

Deontay Wilder around the 230 pound mark is significantly different from blown up cruiser weights like Alexander Povetkin. That's because unlike those blown up cruiser weights, Wilder carries almost no NON-FUNCTIONAL weight. Wilder is 230 pounds of almost exclusively muscles and functional weight composition. The same isn't the case with Alexander Povetkin and other 'fake' heavyweights or blown up cruisers / light heavies.

What point are you making? Joshua weighed in his lightest in 11 fights. It's a nothing argument. Wilder was not 'ill', at least not to the point that would have caused him to lose 10 lb's. He didn't all of a sudden contract Addison's disease.

Alexander Povetkin may not be 0% body fat, but to presume he is carrying 30 lb of excessive fat is absurd. You're points of argument are so extreme, you're either bipolar, or you have no normal perception of real life.

[oogiebe]

Wilder was a bit ill during training and dropped some weight, so what? Povetkin is a big man...big wrist, ankles, etc. IF he dropped 30 LBS, he'd be non-functioning at this point of his career. IMHO.

[ewenhay]

I understand that the comparison between Golovkin and Lomachenko isn't perfect. I was simply trying to make a point! Most of the weight divisions below 200 pounds are separated by less than 10 pounds. Whilst a heavyweight that weighs 215 pounds is not prevented from facing an opponent that outweighs him by 50 pounds sometimes and even more. What is the reason behind this?

Keep in mind, that Povetkin carries a lot of non-functional weight such as fat. Remove them, Povetkin's functional size / weight will be even less compared to Anthony Joshua who is a physical specimen at +240 pounds without non-functional weight.

Whilst Golovkin and Lomachenko don't carry as much non-functional weight or fat that Povetkin carries. Povetkin would probably weigh around 215 pounds of functional size and weight. And the size difference between him and Joshua would become even greater with that being the case.

'Non-functional weight' give over!

Once again, Wilder was 214 lb in his last fight, but still holds the advantages over Povetkin (229 lb) and the like. Also, would you stop Wilder fighting Joshua and Fury? Because clearly Joshua and Fury holds a significant weight advant...... oh wait, you consider Wilder v Joshua to be a gross mismatch?

It's clear that you're tripping up over your own feet here, saying stupid things, changing your mind then having to re-position yourself. Why don't you go away, have a think, maybe write it all down on a piece of paper, and come back to us?

Again, you either keep missing the point or ignoring the point!

Wilder ONLY once, in his last 10 fights weighed as low as he did against Luis Ortiz. That's an exception and not the norm. That was because he was ill. I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. Wilder's ideal weight is around the 230 pound mark. And I believe he'll weigh around 230 pounds at peak condition if / when he fights Anthony Joshua.

Deontay Wilder around the 230 pound mark is significantly different from blown up cruiser weights like Alexander Povetkin. That's because unlike those blown up cruiser weights, Wilder carries almost no NON-FUNCTIONAL weight. Wilder is 230 pounds of almost exclusively muscles and functional weight composition. The same isn't the case with Alexander Povetkin and other 'fake' heavyweights or blown up cruisers / light heavies.

Surely all weight can be functional? Do you not just mean fat?

[Badhusker]

Wilder said last year that Wlad turned him down before he fought AJ. Maybe there was a reason for that? He sparred with both so he probably knew who he could beat. He had the fight won but made a tactical error that cost him. Maybe the reason Wlad looked so good was because AJ isn't that good.

Team AJ must see something in Povetkin that they don't like, or a purse bid wouldn't make him give up a belt.

Isn’t it the worst kept secret in boxing that Wlad KOd Wilder on more than one occasion in sparring ?

“Let me tell you this. Wilder had sparred with Wladimir Klitschko on various occasions.

“Wladimir Klitschko knocked him out cold twice and put him down a third time with a body shot. This is the worst kept secret going”.

It is such a well kept secret, that neither Wilder or Wlad has ever made any mention of it. They sparred at least 50 rounds, so you would think someone would have a video to verify it? Lots of rumors of sparring, but not much as far as verifying it. I won't even ask you to post a video proving it, because I know you can't. Or, try to get Wlad to verify it.

Just so you know, dissing and making crap up about Wilder doesn't make AJ better. I'm not sure if your entire post is even serious, or else you have done a poor job making it look like it.

[jamamb]

lol but then you tried to sneak in that wlad didnt want any part of wilder because of there sparring sessions

[Ilya Muromets]

I understand that the comparison between Golovkin and Lomachenko isn't perfect. I was simply trying to make a point! Most of the weight divisions below 200 pounds are separated by less than 10 pounds. Whilst a heavyweight that weighs 215 pounds is not prevented from facing an opponent that outweighs him by 50 pounds sometimes and even more. What is the reason behind this?

Keep in mind, that Povetkin carries a lot of non-functional weight such as fat. Remove them, Povetkin's functional size / weight will be even less compared to Anthony Joshua who is a physical specimen at +240 pounds without non-functional weight.

Whilst Golovkin and Lomachenko don't carry as much non-functional weight or fat that Povetkin carries. Povetkin would probably weigh around 215 pounds of functional size and weight. And the size difference between him and Joshua would become even greater with that being the case.

'Non-functional weight' give over!

Once again, Wilder was 214 lb in his last fight, but still holds the advantages over Povetkin (229 lb) and the like. Also, would you stop Wilder fighting Joshua and Fury? Because clearly Joshua and Fury holds a significant weight advant...... oh wait, you consider Wilder v Joshua to be a gross mismatch?

It's clear that you're tripping up over your own feet here, saying stupid things, changing your mind then having to re-position yourself. Why don't you go away, have a think, maybe write it all down on a piece of paper, and come back to us?

Again, you either keep missing the point or ignoring the point!

Wilder ONLY once, in his last 10 fights weighed as low as he did against Luis Ortiz. That's an exception and not the norm. That was because he was ill. I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. Wilder's ideal weight is around the 230 pound mark. And I believe he'll weigh around 230 pounds at peak condition if / when he fights Anthony Joshua.

Deontay Wilder around the 230 pound mark is significantly different from blown up cruiser weights like Alexander Povetkin. That's because unlike those blown up cruiser weights, Wilder carries almost no NON-FUNCTIONAL weight. Wilder is 230 pounds of almost exclusively muscles and functional weight composition. The same isn't the case with Alexander Povetkin and other 'fake' heavyweights or blown up cruisers / light heavies.

Still on that theme? If Povetkin is a "blown up cruiserweight/light heavy" I'm a blown up featherweight. Povetkin is 6'2" and about 230 (when i was boxing i was 6' or 6'1" about 210). Povetkin has no excess fat. The problem is you are used to looking at (protected) dopers like Joshua and Wilder etc. who have the unnaturally cut up physique. Povetkin has the physique of a normal natural athlete, same as heavyweight champs generally had before roids were invented.



Jack Dempsey, heavyweight champ for seven years, 1919 - 1926, long before roids were invented.



John L. Sullivan, the first gloved heavyweight champ for ten years, 1882-92, long long before roids were invented.



Povetkin - he's the one on the left.

[tiny_acres]

'Non-functional weight' give over!

Once again, Wilder was 214 lb in his last fight, but still holds the advantages over Povetkin (229 lb) and the like. Also, would you stop Wilder fighting Joshua and Fury? Because clearly Joshua and Fury holds a significant weight advant...... oh wait, you consider Wilder v Joshua to be a gross mismatch?

It's clear that you're tripping up over your own feet here, saying stupid things, changing your mind then having to re-position yourself. Why don't you go away, have a think, maybe write it all down on a piece of paper, and come back to us?

Again, you either keep missing the point or ignoring the point!

Wilder ONLY once, in his last 10 fights weighed as low as he did against Luis Ortiz. That's an exception and not the norm. That was because he was ill. I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. Wilder's ideal weight is around the 230 pound mark. And I believe he'll weigh around 230 pounds at peak condition if / when he fights Anthony Joshua.

Deontay Wilder around the 230 pound mark is significantly different from blown up cruiser weights like Alexander Povetkin. That's because unlike those blown up cruiser weights, Wilder carries almost no NON-FUNCTIONAL weight. Wilder is 230 pounds of almost exclusively muscles and functional weight composition. The same isn't the case with Alexander Povetkin and other 'fake' heavyweights or blown up cruisers / light heavies.

Still on that theme? If Povetkin is a "blown up cruiserweight/light heavy" I'm a blown up featherweight. Povetkin is 6'2" and about 230 (when i was boxing i was 6' or 6'1" about 210). Povetkin has no excess fat. The problem is you are used to looking at (protected) dopers like Joshua and Wilder etc. who have the unnaturally cut up physique. Povetkin has the physique of a normal natural athlete, same as heavyweight champs generally had before roids were invented.



Jack Dempsey, heavyweight champ for seven years, 1919 - 1926, long before roids were invented.



John L. Sullivan, the first gloved heavyweight champ for ten years, 1882-92, long long before roids were invented.



Povetkin - he's the one on the left.

Steroids have been used since the 1930's
The biggest problem with your comment is Povetkin has failed tests.
He's a cheat, a liar and a fake.

[Ilya Muromets]

...

Steroids have been used since the 1930's
The biggest problem with your comment is Povetkin has failed tests.
He's a cheat, a liar and a fake.

No they have not. Anabolic steroids were first synthesized in 1931 but people didn't start commonly using them until I think the late '60's. Look at bodybulding champs by year to see how their physiques changed from natural to unnatural.


Yes, cheat etc etc...according to Las Vegas Nevada, the most corrupt city in the world, founded and run by organized crime, its sole function in the desert, fleecing the suckers.

[Rob3_142]

...

Steroids have been used since the 1930's
The biggest problem with your comment is Povetkin has failed tests.
He's a cheat, a liar and a fake.

No they have not. Anabolic steroids were first synthesized in 1931 but people didn't start commonly using them until I think the late '60's. Look at bodybulding champs by year to see how their physiques changed from natural to unnatural.


Yes, cheat etc etc...according to Las Vegas Nevada, the most corrupt city in the world, founded and run by organized crime, its sole function in the desert, fleecing the suckers.

Get your tin hats out...

[oogiebe]

...

Steroids have been used since the 1930's
The biggest problem with your comment is Povetkin has failed tests.
He's a cheat, a liar and a fake.

No they have not. Anabolic steroids were first synthesized in 1931 but people didn't start commonly using them until I think the late '60's. Look at bodybulding champs by year to see how their physiques changed from natural to unnatural.


Yes, cheat etc etc...according to Las Vegas Nevada, the most corrupt city in the world, founded and run by organized crime, its sole function in the desert, fleecing the suckers.

Get your tin hats out...

Rob - you are hilarious! I'm using aluminum foil! LMAO!

[Ilya Muromets]

No they have not. Anabolic steroids were first synthesized in 1931 but people didn't start commonly using them until I think the late '60's. Look at bodybulding champs by year to see how their physiques changed from natural to unnatural.


Yes, cheat etc etc...according to Las Vegas Nevada, the most corrupt city in the world, founded and run by organized crime, its sole function in the desert, fleecing the suckers.

Get your tin hats out...

Rob - you are hilarious! I'm using aluminum foil! LMAO!

Quiet please , Oogyboogy. Stop giggling. I am about to speak.

"Tin foil hat" because i correctly stated the nature of organized crime's very own city in the Mohave Desert? Perhaps you think Doc Goodman and her VADA outfit got to the big time in Mafia Vegas by being little miss nice and honest and do what's right and who cares what the bosses want?

[oogiebe]

Get your tin hats out...

Rob - you are hilarious! I'm using aluminum foil! LMAO!

Quiet please , Oogyboogy. Stop giggling. I am about to speak.

"Tin foil hat" because i correctly stated the nature of organized crime's very own city in the Mohave Desert? Perhaps you think Doc Goodman and her VADA outfit got to the big time in Mafia Vegas by being little miss nice and honest and do what's right and who cares what the bosses want?

Next thing you know, You'll tell me that Superstar Billy Graham took steroids!

[Ilya Muromets]

Rob - you are hilarious! I'm using aluminum foil! LMAO!

Quiet please , Oogyboogy. Stop giggling. I am about to speak.

"Tin foil hat" because i correctly stated the nature of organized crime's very own city in the Mohave Desert? Perhaps you think Doc Goodman and her VADA outfit got to the big time in Mafia Vegas by being little miss nice and honest and do what's right and who cares what the bosses want?

Next thing you know, You'll tell me that Superstar Billy Graham took steroids!

There's a name i haven't heard in a long time. Yes, i believe the Superstar dabbled a bit. Wrestling was very filthy back then. The way i see it "sports entertainment" wrestling is merging with boxing now. They still take steroids and everything else in both, just that the big name in-crowd has layers of protection around them. Is Super still living?

[oogiebe]

Quiet please , Oogyboogy. Stop giggling. I am about to speak.

"Tin foil hat" because i correctly stated the nature of organized crime's very own city in the Mohave Desert? Perhaps you think Doc Goodman and her VADA outfit got to the big time in Mafia Vegas by being little miss nice and honest and do what's right and who cares what the bosses want?

Next thing you know, You'll tell me that Superstar Billy Graham took steroids!

There's a name i haven't heard in a long time. Yes, i believe the Superstar dabbled a bit. Wrestling was very filthy back then. The way i see it "sports entertainment" wrestling is merging with boxing now. They still take steroids and everything else in both, just that the big name in-crowd has layers of protection around them. Is Super still living?

Graham said he was taking steroids as far back as the 60's and he learned it from the 'old timers' so you were probably right in your earlier text. And that's MISTER Oogyboogy to you sir!