Beards in boxing

[gilgamesh]

That's how i scored it live. I'm a little surprised most people scored it 114-114 on account of Vargas being largely ineffective and Broner exclusively landing the quality shots. But hey, me giving Broner 3 rounds more than everyone else does must mean I'm an attention seeking a contrarian huh? I'd argue most fight fans just hate Broner to the point of seeing what they want to see.

I'd argue that you just don't know what you're talking about.

If Vargas' work was ineffective what exactly was Broner doing that WAS so effective? Were you real impressed by his inactivity and shaking his head? Or was it his flashier trunks that did it for you?

I was impressed by his quick accurate left hooks and snap-back counter rights that that regularly rocked back Vargas head from r3 onwards, that did significant damage to his face & not to mention, had him on queer street in one of the mid rounds (7 i think).

Tbh I'm past caring, neither are relevant at 147 anyway, but Broner won that fight.

I mean they're relevant. They're contenders. Just not World Championship caliber guys. They're legit contenders though so that's nothing to scoff at.

[happyNY18]

I'd argue that you just don't know what you're talking about.

If Vargas' work was ineffective what exactly was Broner doing that WAS so effective? Were you real impressed by his inactivity and shaking his head? Or was it his flashier trunks that did it for you?

I was impressed by his quick accurate left hooks and snap-back counter rights that that regularly rocked back Vargas head from r3 onwards, that did significant damage to his face & not to mention, had him on queer street in one of the mid rounds (7 i think).

Tbh I'm past caring, neither are relevant at 147 anyway, but Broner won that fight.

I mean they're relevant. They're contenders. Just not World Championship caliber guys. They're legit contenders though so that's nothing to scoff at.

I think they're gatekeepers at best and would give either a snowball's chance in hell against Crawford or Spence - i dont think the result is all that relevant, i just think it was a bit of injustice for Broner - not that i have much sympathy, I've despised him since he came on the scene, but he won clear imo and Vargas had limited & little succes from r3 on.

[gilgamesh]

I was impressed by his quick accurate left hooks and snap-back counter rights that that regularly rocked back Vargas head from r3 onwards, that did significant damage to his face & not to mention, had him on queer street in one of the mid rounds (7 i think).

Tbh I'm past caring, neither are relevant at 147 anyway, but Broner won that fight.

I mean they're relevant. They're contenders. Just not World Championship caliber guys. They're legit contenders though so that's nothing to scoff at.

I think they're gatekeepers at best and would give either a snowball's chance in hell against Crawford or Spence - i dont think the result is all that relevant, i just think it was a bit of injustice for Broner - not that i have much sympathy, I've despised him since he came on the scene, but he won clear imo and Vargas had limited & little succes from r3 on.

Just because you wouldn't pick them to beat the Elites doesn't mean they're not contenders. It just means the Elite are THAT damn good.

I wouldn't give either of them a chance against Crawford or Spence either, but outside of the Top 5 or 6 guys in the division they're a live opponent for anyone else

[happyNY18]

It does next to nothing. I've sparred when I was younger with and without beard. In case I was crazy, I asked few guys that have had pro careers of a good extent. Nobody thinks this is accurate. At all.....

That's sparring, probably with 16oz gloves. The pro's can be a game of small margins.

Let me ask you this, if in a world lightweight title fight 1 of the participants wore UFC style 4oz gloves & the other wore regular 8oz gloves - would that be an advantage?

Of course it would be an advantage and your point is night and day. Comparing glove size to a small amount of beard is outlandish.

X2X started this whole nonsense because Wilder, with a beard barely there, won against Ortiz. That's it. You joined this guys brigade...

I also noted pro fighters. Nobody agrees with you two....

Why is it outlandish?

The weight difference in gloves is 113 grams. Much of that is due to the leather, stitches, covered fingers, lace & larger wrist area.

So in terms of actually padding in the knuckle area we're probably talking in the region of under 30 grams. I think a heavy, thick beard could easily amount to around 30 grams. Of extea cushioning. Attached to the most vulnerable part of your body.

[happyNY18]

I mean they're relevant. They're contenders. Just not World Championship caliber guys. They're legit contenders though so that's nothing to scoff at.

I think they're gatekeepers at best and would give either a snowball's chance in hell against Crawford or Spence - i dont think the result is all that relevant, i just think it was a bit of injustice for Broner - not that i have much sympathy, I've despised him since he came on the scene, but he won clear imo and Vargas had limited & little succes from r3 on.

Just because you wouldn't pick them to beat the Elites doesn't mean they're not contenders. It just means the Elite are THAT damn good.

I wouldn't give either of them a chance against Crawford or Spence either, but outside of the Top 5 or 6 guys in the division they're a live opponent for anyone else

I don't disagree but as per my original point, it makes them gatekeepers imo. A fighter with the ability to convincingly beat either is without doubt a worthy contender to ES or bud. Had Broner won the fight by the kind of margin i thought he deserved - it doesn't change much anyway. Hence why i don't care all that much that most fans disagree with me, ultimately the scene is pretty much the same. Even those who scored it for Vargas seem to admit that they gave hkm it on workrate despite Broner clearly being technicaly superior. It's all a bit pac/horn imo.

[armageto]

That's sparring, probably with 16oz gloves. The pro's can be a game of small margins.

Let me ask you this, if in a world lightweight title fight 1 of the participants wore UFC style 4oz gloves & the other wore regular 8oz gloves - would that be an advantage?

Of course it would be an advantage and your point is night and day. Comparing glove size to a small amount of beard is outlandish.

X2X started this whole nonsense because Wilder, with a beard barely there, won against Ortiz. That's it. You joined this guys brigade...

I also noted pro fighters. Nobody agrees with you two....

Why is it outlandish?

The weight difference in gloves is 113 grams. Much of that is due to the leather, stitches, covered fingers, lace & larger wrist area.

So in terms of actually padding in the knuckle area we're probably talking in the region of under 30 grams. I think a heavy, thick beard could easily amount to around 30 grams. Of extea cushioning. Attached to the most vulnerable part of your body.

I'm not even going to discuss it anymore because it is a waste of time. Believe what you want to. Pros are wrong. You're right.

I'll go back to spending the majority of my time on the SIM section of the website. The fuckery here is too high. Punch did an excellent job debunking this nonsense. If that breakdown isn't good enough, nothing will be.

Good day sir....

[gilgamesh]

I think they're gatekeepers at best and would give either a snowball's chance in hell against Crawford or Spence - i dont think the result is all that relevant, i just think it was a bit of injustice for Broner - not that i have much sympathy, I've despised him since he came on the scene, but he won clear imo and Vargas had limited & little succes from r3 on.

Just because you wouldn't pick them to beat the Elites doesn't mean they're not contenders. It just means the Elite are THAT damn good.

I wouldn't give either of them a chance against Crawford or Spence either, but outside of the Top 5 or 6 guys in the division they're a live opponent for anyone else

I don't disagree but as per my original point, it makes them gatekeepers imo. A fighter with the ability to convincingly beat either is without doubt a worthy contender to ES or bud. Had Broner won the fight by the kind of margin i thought he deserved - it doesn't change much anyway. Hence why i don't care all that much that most fans disagree with me, ultimately the scene is pretty much the same. Even those who scored it for Vargas seem to admit that they gave hkm it on workrate despite Broner clearly being technicaly superior. It's all a bit pac/horn imo.

Broner wasn't clearly superior in any way. Hence the draw verdict.

[Ilya Muromets]

People, X2X (Then Wolverine) ...

Huh? Half the people here are just plain nuts and/or dumb as rocks.

When you came to this site, you had posted that you were on the Klitschko site, under the username Wolverine...

No i didn't.

[happyNY18]

Of course it would be an advantage and your point is night and day. Comparing glove size to a small amount of beard is outlandish.

X2X started this whole nonsense because Wilder, with a beard barely there, won against Ortiz. That's it. You joined this guys brigade...

I also noted pro fighters. Nobody agrees with you two....

Why is it outlandish?

The weight difference in gloves is 113 grams. Much of that is due to the leather, stitches, covered fingers, lace & larger wrist area.

So in terms of actually padding in the knuckle area we're probably talking in the region of under 30 grams. I think a heavy, thick beard could easily amount to around 30 grams. Of extea cushioning. Attached to the most vulnerable part of your body.

I'm not even going to discuss it anymore because it is a waste of time. Believe what you want to. Pros are wrong. You're right.

I'll go back to spending the majority of my time on the SIM section of the website. The fuckery here is too high. Punch did an excellent job debunking this nonsense. If that breakdown isn't good enough, nothing will be.

Good day sir....

No he didn't- he concluded that the weight of a 4 inch beard (that's massive) weighs the same as a sugar cube; which i very much dispute.

Hair absorbs energy as it compresses. Fact. Hair is used to pad out boxing gloves. Fact. You really haven't presented any sort of argument to dispute that.

[happyNY18]

Just because you wouldn't pick them to beat the Elites doesn't mean they're not contenders. It just means the Elite are THAT damn good.

I wouldn't give either of them a chance against Crawford or Spence either, but outside of the Top 5 or 6 guys in the division they're a live opponent for anyone else

I don't disagree but as per my original point, it makes them gatekeepers imo. A fighter with the ability to convincingly beat either is without doubt a worthy contender to ES or bud. Had Broner won the fight by the kind of margin i thought he deserved - it doesn't change much anyway. Hence why i don't care all that much that most fans disagree with me, ultimately the scene is pretty much the same. Even those who scored it for Vargas seem to admit that they gave hkm it on workrate despite Broner clearly being technicaly superior. It's all a bit pac/horn imo.

Broner wasn't clearly superior in any way. Hence the draw verdict.

You don't think he landed harder hooks? You don't think he was more accurate?

[gilgamesh]

I don't disagree but as per my original point, it makes them gatekeepers imo. A fighter with the ability to convincingly beat either is without doubt a worthy contender to ES or bud. Had Broner won the fight by the kind of margin i thought he deserved - it doesn't change much anyway. Hence why i don't care all that much that most fans disagree with me, ultimately the scene is pretty much the same. Even those who scored it for Vargas seem to admit that they gave hkm it on workrate despite Broner clearly being technicaly superior. It's all a bit pac/horn imo.

Broner wasn't clearly superior in any way. Hence the draw verdict.

You don't think he landed harder hooks? You don't think he was more accurate?

Harder hooks perhaps, but that alone don't win you the fight when you land a lot less than your opponent overall. He was more accurate in spots. Vargas was more consistent through the bout.

That's basically the fight. Vargas fought consistently, Broner fought well in spots...like he always does. Against good fighters he usually doesn't pick enough spots to really impress or win clear.

[happyNY18]

Broner wasn't clearly superior in any way. Hence the draw verdict.

You don't think he landed harder hooks? You don't think he was more accurate?

Harder hooks perhaps, but that alone don't win you the fight when you land a lot less than your opponent overall. He was more accurate in spots. Vargas was more consistent through the bout.

That's basically the fight. Vargas fought consistently, Broner fought well in spots...like he always does. Against good fighters he usually doesn't pick enough spots to really impress or win clear.

I don't believe he landed 'alot less' (i hate quoting compubox but they had punches landed 203-194), not to mention Vargas punch numbers are propped up by body shots that seemed to have no effect at all. I think headshot punch numbers would be lopsided.

[gilgamesh]

You don't think he landed harder hooks? You don't think he was more accurate?

Harder hooks perhaps, but that alone don't win you the fight when you land a lot less than your opponent overall. He was more accurate in spots. Vargas was more consistent through the bout.

That's basically the fight. Vargas fought consistently, Broner fought well in spots...like he always does. Against good fighters he usually doesn't pick enough spots to really impress or win clear.

I don't believe he landed 'alot less' (i hate quoting compubox but they had punches landed 203-194), not to mention Vargas punch numbers are propped up by body shots that seemed to have no effect at all. I think headshot punch numbers would be lopsided.

His bodyshots were pretty damn solid.

Broner's work didn't really pick up until the 2nd half so a lot of his landing would've been done over a few specific rounds. Particularly rounds 8 through 10 he did well.

[punchoutsb]

You're talking about the weight of a beard. What does the weight of a beard have to do with the fact that hair is a cushioning material? I just told ya cushioning material is light weight and mostly air, whether it's human hair, horse hair, plastic foam, whatever. They don't make cushions out of lead.

You're ignoring what i said above, like common sense, dude. Cushions cushion. Hair is a cushion.

You're asking why weight is important when discussion cushioning material? Seriously?

The weight of your supposed cushion is obviously important as 100 pounds of feathers will offer more cushion than 10 pounds of feathers. 0.2 ounces (the weight of our 4 inch beard above) is essentially the same weight as one of the small cotton rounds my wife uses to remove nail polish. It is quite clear that this "cushion" will not have any sort of statistical impact on punch resistance.

What you're suggesting is like saying blowing really hard when someone throws a punch will lessen the punches impact because of the wind resistance. While it's true in the most minute sense, it doesn't come close to offering anything remotely close to statistical significance.

Instead of actually thinking and using common sense you are just trying to "win" your argument. You are also being obnoxious and rude, which is not a propitious combination with being stupid.

OK, you are standing in front of me and i hit you in your jaw with my fist (that sounds like fun!) Or, 2nd, choice, you hold up a doubled up feather pillow in front of your jaw before i punch you. Which do you think will hurt more, 1 or 2? How much do the feathers in the pillow weigh? Duh.

A beard does not equal a doubled up feather pillow. How many Deontay Wilder beards would it take to fill that same pillow?

[punchoutsb]

One error both sides are making when discussing the size/weight of the beard. The entire beard is not going to be between the punch and the face anyhow. Only a fraction of the beard is going to be in the way.

For what it's worth, I did address this in my initial post

[happyNY18]

One error both sides are making when discussing the size/weight of the beard. The entire beard is not going to be between the punch and the face anyhow. Only a fraction of the beard is going to be in the way.

For what it's worth, I did address this in my initial post

Just as the padding in a glove is spread across the fist, back of the hand, thumb, etc.

[punchoutsb]

The fact is you don't know what a beard like this weighs:



Nor do you know the weight of the hair they use to pad out standard boxing gloves.

I'm willing to bet the above beard, and the hair contained inside a boxing glove, weighs more than a sugar cube.

The facts are sugar is more dense than hair, and you are more dense than both.

I'm far smarter than you.

Here's what you are not getting; over the years materials such as cotton, hair and compressed foam have been used to pad boxong gloves. In otder to be effective as padding, the padding material must absorb energy as it compresses.

Take a man with a large, thick, curly beard. If he is stricken with a blow to the face,.the hair on his beard is going to compress and absorb some of the energy of the blow before that energy reaches his chin. This is scientific fact. The only dispute here is just how much energy is absorbed. The biggest variable here is the size and thickness of the beard. A canelo style goatee is obviously absorbing nothing but the beard i posted above belonging to Petersin obviously would be capable of absorbing similar energy levels of the padding inside an 8oz horsehair glove. Hence why commissions often instruct fighters to trim back beards.

You're not far smarter than anyone and a beard is in no way comparable to 8 ounces of tightly wound horsehair.

[punchoutsb]

One error both sides are making when discussing the size/weight of the beard. The entire beard is not going to be between the punch and the face anyhow. Only a fraction of the beard is going to be in the way.

For what it's worth, I did address this in my initial post

Just as the padding in a glove is spread across the fist, back of the hand, thumb, etc.

At a total weight much heavier than a beard

Also in terms of force, the entire glove is accelerated whereas only the portion of the beard struck would be in any way engaged.

[happyNY18]

The facts are sugar is more dense than hair, and you are more dense than both.

I'm far smarter than you.

Here's what you are not getting; over the years materials such as cotton, hair and compressed foam have been used to pad boxong gloves. In otder to be effective as padding, the padding material must absorb energy as it compresses.

Take a man with a large, thick, curly beard. If he is stricken with a blow to the face,.the hair on his beard is going to compress and absorb some of the energy of the blow before that energy reaches his chin. This is scientific fact. The only dispute here is just how much energy is absorbed. The biggest variable here is the size and thickness of the beard. A canelo style goatee is obviously absorbing nothing but the beard i posted above belonging to Petersin obviously would be capable of absorbing similar energy levels of the padding inside an 8oz horsehair glove. Hence why commissions often instruct fighters to trim back beards.

You're not far smarter than anyone and a beard is in no way comparable to 8 ounces of tightly wound horsehair.

You haven't offered up anything other than your own unsubstantiated opinion.

Beard hair compresses upon impact, therefore it absorbs energy. That is not disputed, it's an out & out fact. You need to bring something more to the table than your own guess work, that the energy absorbed by beard hair is too tiny to have an effect.



We know this guys beard would absorb some of energy if he is hit by an uppercut. You say the amount of energy is irrelevant, but have nothing to back that up, other than a ridiculous calculation that his beard weighs the same as a teaspoon of sugar.

[Enlightened-One]

[Impractical Poster]

One error both sides are making when discussing the size/weight of the beard. The entire beard is not going to be between the punch and the face anyhow. Only a fraction of the beard is going to be in the way.

For what it's worth, I did address this in my initial post

Just as the padding in a glove is spread across the fist, back of the hand, thumb, etc.

Brother, a beard is not going to add any amount of protection to matter in professional boxing. We already had a boxer come on here and state so that has boxed with and without a beard. You believe this guy doesn't know what he's talking about?

[Impractical Poster]

One error both sides are making when discussing the size/weight of the beard. The entire beard is not going to be between the punch and the face anyhow. Only a fraction of the beard is going to be in the way.

For what it's worth, I did address this in my initial post

My bad.

[punchoutsb]

I'm far smarter than you.

Here's what you are not getting; over the years materials such as cotton, hair and compressed foam have been used to pad boxong gloves. In otder to be effective as padding, the padding material must absorb energy as it compresses.

Take a man with a large, thick, curly beard. If he is stricken with a blow to the face,.the hair on his beard is going to compress and absorb some of the energy of the blow before that energy reaches his chin. This is scientific fact. The only dispute here is just how much energy is absorbed. The biggest variable here is the size and thickness of the beard. A canelo style goatee is obviously absorbing nothing but the beard i posted above belonging to Petersin obviously would be capable of absorbing similar energy levels of the padding inside an 8oz horsehair glove. Hence why commissions often instruct fighters to trim back beards.

You're not far smarter than anyone and a beard is in no way comparable to 8 ounces of tightly wound horsehair.

You haven't offered up anything other than your own unsubstantiated opinion.

Beard hair compresses upon impact, therefore it absorbs energy. That is not disputed, it's an out & out fact. You need to bring something more to the table than your own guess work, that the energy absorbed by beard hair is too tiny to have an effect.



We know this guys beard would absorb some of energy if he is hit by an uppercut. You say the amount of energy is irrelevant, but have nothing to back that up, other than a ridiculous calculation that his beard weighs the same as a teaspoon of sugar.

No, you have offered unsubstantiated opinion. My calculation was based upon the weight of hair.

Here's another:

http://scienceblogs.com/builtonfacts/20 ... -rapunzel/

45 inches of head hair weighed 14 ounces, or .31 ounces per inch. That puts 4 inches of hair at 1.2 ounces. A beard has 1/3 the hairs that the head has--so that 4 inch beard would weigh about .4 ounces or 11 grams. A little higher than my initial post but it is also giving the beard the benefit of being 4 inches on all sides which would not be the case unless we're talking about Wooly Willy.

[happyNY18]

For what it's worth, I did address this in my initial post

Just as the padding in a glove is spread across the fist, back of the hand, thumb, etc.

Brother, a beard is not going to add any amount of protection to matter in professional boxing. We already had a boxer come on here and state so that has boxed with and without a beard. You believe this guy doesn't know what he's talking about?

I tried pulling up the quote, but not had any luck finding it, but there was an interview with a pro UFC fighter who had said he felt a difference on the shots after shaving a thick beard.

I'm not sure why Fergus has posted those images above, most of them are barely more than stubble. Broners and Peterson's though are certainly on the cusp of offering a degree of padding protecting the chin.

[Impractical Poster]

Just as the padding in a glove is spread across the fist, back of the hand, thumb, etc.

Brother, a beard is not going to add any amount of protection to matter in professional boxing. We already had a boxer come on here and state so that has boxed with and without a beard. You believe this guy doesn't know what he's talking about?

I tried pulling up the quote, but not had any luck finding it, but there was an interview with a pro UFC fighter who had said he felt a difference on the shots after shaving a thick beard.

I'm not sure why Fergus has posted those images above, most of them are barely more than stubble. Broners and Peterson's though are certainly on the cusp of offering a degree of padding protecting the chin.

Post it when you find it