British Top 30 P4P May 2018

[gilgamesh]

My point was that he shouldn't be in there after all this time.

Which should be obvious to anyone that actually cares about and respects the sport. Horse just has a hard on for Fury, and allows that to overshadow everything else.

Must have some size of cock

Touche

[forcefraser]

Who is Martin Murray’s best win?

Sergio Martinez.

Then we should have Chisora ahead of Whyte, as he beat him.

[BitPlayer]

My point was that he shouldn't be in there after all this time.

Which should be obvious to anyone that actually cares about and respects the sport. Horse just has a hard on for Fury, and allows that to overshadow everything else.

Must have some size of cock

Well he is a horse.

[BitPlayer]

Who is Martin Murray’s best win?

Sergio Martinez.

Then we should have Chisora ahead of Whyte, as he beat him.

After Whyte's win over Browne, and Chisora's loss to Agit, I think there's a good case to rank Whyte higher.

[Stuarty]

Which should be obvious to anyone that actually cares about and respects the sport. Horse just has a hard on for Fury, and allows that to overshadow everything else.

Must have some size of cock

Well he is a horse.

True dat! Horse by name.........

[Stuarty]

Sergio Martinez.

Then we should have Chisora ahead of Whyte, as he beat him.

After Whyte's win over Browne, and Chisora's loss to Agit, I think there's a good case to rank Whyte higher.

Deffo. There's a few discrepancies but I couldn't be arsed winging through it so I've said its a fair list. Brook should be above Crolla as well like someone has mentioned earlier but tbh I couldn't do a better list so I can't moan too much! Least he has a go

[Horse]

This is true. Can't argue with that. Brook lost to GGG and Spence and Crolla lost twice to Linares.

Since.. Crolla beat Burns which is better than Brook beating Rabchenko.

[BigDoofus]

Perhaps Crolla's 6 losses and 3 draws suggest he's not as good as Brook.

Crolla's win over Burns is better than any win that Brook has had since beating Porter almost 4 years ago.

Brook has a better record than Crolla, but it isn't leagues above and he really hasn't done much lately.

This is true. Can't argue with that. Brook lost to GGG and Spence and Crolla lost twice to Linares.

Since.. Crolla beat Burns which is better than Brook beating Rabchenko.

Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Crolla's win over Burns is better than any win that Brook has had since beating Porter almost 4 years ago.

Brook has a better record than Crolla, but it isn't leagues above and he really hasn't done much lately.

This is true. Can't argue with that. Brook lost to GGG and Spence and Crolla lost twice to Linares.

Since.. Crolla beat Burns which is better than Brook beating Rabchenko.

Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

These are updated rankings. It's not an overall all-time ranking list. Horse updates it every month.

All-time British list, Brook would be above Crolla.

[forcefraser]

Then we should have Chisora ahead of Whyte, as he beat him.

After Whyte's win over Browne, and Chisora's loss to Agit, I think there's a good case to rank Whyte higher.

Deffo. There's a few discrepancies but I couldn't be arsed winging through it so I've said its a fair list. Brook should be above Crolla as well like someone has mentioned earlier but tbh I couldn't do a better list so I can't moan too much! Least he has a go

I agree. The point is you can`t use an argument for placing someone in a certain position based on who you THINK won the fight.

Martin Murray did not beat Martinez according to the judges. Some people thought he did. Some people also thought Chisora beat Whyte. Pot black kettle calling good for goose good for gander

[Stuarty]

After Whyte's win over Browne, and Chisora's loss to Agit, I think there's a good case to rank Whyte higher.

Deffo. There's a few discrepancies but I couldn't be arsed winging through it so I've said its a fair list. Brook should be above Crolla as well like someone has mentioned earlier but tbh I couldn't do a better list so I can't moan too much! Least he has a go

I agree. The point is you can`t use an argument for placing someone in a certain position based on who you THINK won the fight.

Martin Murray did not beat Martinez according to the judges. Some people thought he did. Some people also thought Chisora beat Whyte. Pot black kettle calling good for goose good for gander

I had Chisora beating Whyte.

[keithmoonhangover]

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Bullsh1t.

[Horse]

Where do you see Josh Taylor going if he secures a win against Postol, Mr H?
Postol is Boxrec #3.

I'm not sure yet, I'd have to think about it.

I don't think he'd make the top 10 though.

Where do you think he should go?

[Stuarty]

Where do you see Josh Taylor going if he secures a win against Postol, Mr H?
Postol is Boxrec #3.

I'm not sure yet, I'd have to think about it.

I don't think he'd make the top 10 though.

Where do you think he should go?

I'm a Taylor fanboy but even with that being said, a win and impressive performance against Postol should see him crack the top 10.

[keirw]

Even though I disagree with a few of the rankings, I do always enjoy seeing Horse's top 30. He clearly puts a lot of effort into it.

It also shows the depth there is in British boxing.

Good domestic/euro level fighters like Callum Johnson, Hughie Fury, John Ryder, Tommy Langford, Martin J Ward and Jack Catterall can't even make the top 30.

Highly rated prospects like Andrew Selby, Josh Kelly and Anthony Yarde don't make it in either.

There just isn't enough room for them all.

[jamamb]

Even though I disagree with a few of the rankings, I do always enjoy seeing Horse's top 30. He clearly puts a lot of effort into it.

It also shows the depth there is in British boxing.

Good domestic/euro level fighters like Callum Johnson, Hughie Fury, John Ryder, Tommy Langford, Martin J Ward and Jack Catterall can't even make the top 30.

Highly rated prospects like Andrew Selby, Josh Kelly and Anthony Yarde don't make it in either.

There just isn't enough room for them all.

sometimes ppl dont appreciate how strong british boxing is. its absolutely up there for the strongest in the world. loads and loads of talent. and not the drab bored fans that are in so many other countries.

[Horse]

Then we should have Chisora ahead of Whyte, as he beat him.

After Whyte's win over Browne, and Chisora's loss to Agit, I think there's a good case to rank Whyte higher.

Indeed.

Whyte has done far more since that fight than Chisora.

[Horse]

Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

Crolla lost to Al Hamidi over 10 years ago.

Who cares about all of that stuff?

[Horse]

These are updated rankings. It's not an overall all-time ranking list. Horse updates it every month.

All-time British list, Brook would be above Crolla.

Yes.

[jamamb]

Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

Crolla lost to Al Hamidi over 10 years ago.

Who cares about all of that stuff?

and the fight with diaz was a 3 round technical draw due to a cut from a head clash, and at that time diaz was more like 50th on boxrec. but ya, lol, crolla could only scrape by with a draw vs the world 413!

not disengenous at all

[BigDoofus]

Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

Crolla lost to Al Hamidi over 10 years ago.

Who cares about all of that stuff?

Perhaps somebody compiling a list of top fighters should care about his 6 losses.

[BigDoofus]

Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

Crolla lost to Al Hamidi over 10 years ago.

Who cares about all of that stuff?

and the fight with diaz was a 3 round technical draw due to a cut from a head clash, and at that time diaz was more like 50th on boxrec. but ya, lol, crolla could only scrape by with a draw vs the world 413!

not disengenous at all

Could you also provide excuses for his 6 losses?

[keirw]

Even though I disagree with a few of the rankings, I do always enjoy seeing Horse's top 30. He clearly puts a lot of effort into it.

It also shows the depth there is in British boxing.

Good domestic/euro level fighters like Callum Johnson, Hughie Fury, John Ryder, Tommy Langford, Martin J Ward and Jack Catterall can't even make the top 30.

Highly rated prospects like Andrew Selby, Josh Kelly and Anthony Yarde don't make it in either.

There just isn't enough room for them all.

sometimes ppl dont appreciate how strong british boxing is. its absolutely up there for the strongest in the world. loads and loads of talent. and not the drab bored fans that are in so many other countries.

Indeed, we also have fighters in a much wider weight range than most other countries.

How many other countries have active world champions at both Super-Flyweight and Heavyweight?

[KiwiRider]

Where do you see Josh Taylor going if he secures a win against Postol, Mr H?
Postol is Boxrec #3.

I'm not sure yet, I'd have to think about it.

I don't think he'd make the top 10 though.

Where do you think he should go?

The top ten is very strong. With a win, and given his last fight, I see him knocking Jamie down one and sitting at #12. If Bellew losses, there could be an argument for possibly #11

[Horse]

I agree. The point is you can`t use an argument for placing someone in a certain position based on who you THINK won the fight.

You can if you want.

Martin Murray did not beat Martinez according to the judges. Some people thought he did. Some people also thought Chisora beat Whyte. Pot black kettle calling good for goose good for gander

I entered both Whyte and Chisora into the rankings after their fight, so Chisora was rewarded for his 'loss' just like Murray was.

There is no big contradiction here.

Murray was rated highly based on his close losses and draw at world level rather than his wins at a lower level.

What's wrong with that?