Wilder at Cruiserweight?

[oogiebe]

I'm going to move on from this now,if you think a 6ft 7 in skinny heavyweight could drop 14 lbs safely and fight at cruiserweight then so be it,personally i can't ever see it happening,end of thread.

Well tell me how do other boxers do it then?

Let me answer that my self... They cut water.

Or did you think they somehow magically remove 20 lbs of fat and add it back in 24 hours?

So other boxers are doing it regularly but somehow Wilder can't cut water? Yeah right

LOL!

[tiny_acres]

I'm getting a bit emotional now

Don't gay it up anymore than it is

I'm not gay! I just like guys dicks!

I thought that was Oscars line

[oogiebe]

Sometimes I poke my arse with a carrot and snap it off at the end then shite out the fat bit later on. If the kids have been bad that week then they'll be getting that carrot in amongst their Sunday lunch!

That statement is about as relevant as this thread

Best post on the thread! Don't cut weight...cut carrots!

[Deleted_Scenes]

Wow, such a stupid comment.

Quick question: Why is that question stupid?

He didn't at all refute the guy's point but came out with a stupid comment and made himself look like a fool.

Missed the point entirely.

If you'd read my previous posts, you'd know my argument has never been about whether or not Wilder could make 200 or not. I've clearly stated I believe he could.

The point in question is whether or not he'd be competitive if he forced himself to do it - also the question asked in the original post.

My answer to that is a clear no - a point backed up by the examples posted above. Mosley, Kirkland, Montiel and Ortiz were all beaten easily in the examples given.

The fact they COULD drop weight is irrelevant.

[Thomastearns]

I don't believe extensive weight draining is a help in the ring. A lot of guys do it because it's become a popularized opinion that it's some sort of advantage, but I think you'd be much better off just being in Tip Top condition, and not draining weight. If you're gaining near 20 pounds overnight something was horribly out of whack with your body, and there's no way you can be performing at your absolute best under those circumstances.

The guy that don't make a habit of serious weight draining tend to have longer careers, and longer stays at the top.

Yeah and Hurd beat Lara by just being the better technical boxer

If weight cutting was not effective then it would not be used so much. Pretty much everyone out of HW is doing more or less cutting.

It is kind of funny how people see fights like Brook vs GGG being miss matches because the weight difference and don't think it significant thing in other fights where the weight difference on the night is pretty much the same.

I do agree that it might be detrimental to boxers career on the long run. Cutting really much I mean...

It used to be considered dangerously weakening to have to cut too much weight at the last minute to get inside the required limit. I'm sure many many fights were lost in this fashion, but this was before they learned to rehydrate the way they do today.

The science of rehydration has made it a much more complicated business for a fighter to find his optimum fighting weight. Jarrett Hurd did look like he should have been fighting at least one division above Erislandy Lara.

If (and only if) two closely matched fighters meet then any size/weight advantage must help. That said, making weight might be the toughest part of a training regime and not everyone is capable or willing to employ a dramatic rehydrating strategy, at least not for every fight. The strain on the body might be too much for some.

Some might instead prefer to work more on tactics, offence, defence, stamina etc. Decisions, decisions.

Amazing how complicated two boxers facing off against each other can be.

[Heretic]

I don't believe extensive weight draining is a help in the ring. A lot of guys do it because it's become a popularized opinion that it's some sort of advantage, but I think you'd be much better off just being in Tip Top condition, and not draining weight. If you're gaining near 20 pounds overnight something was horribly out of whack with your body, and there's no way you can be performing at your absolute best under those circumstances.

The guy that don't make a habit of serious weight draining tend to have longer careers, and longer stays at the top.

Yeah and Hurd beat Lara by just being the better technical boxer

If weight cutting was not effective then it would not be used so much. Pretty much everyone out of HW is doing more or less cutting.

It is kind of funny how people see fights like Brook vs GGG being miss matches because the weight difference and don't think it significant thing in other fights where the weight difference on the night is pretty much the same.

I do agree that it might be detrimental to boxers career on the long run. Cutting really much I mean...

It used to be considered dangerously weakening to have to cut too much weight at the last minute to get inside the required limit. I'm sure many many fights were lost in this fashion, but this was before they learned to rehydrate the way they do today.

The science of rehydration has made it a much more complicated business for a fighter to find his optimum fighting weight. Jarrett Hurd did look like he should have been fighting at least one division above Erislandy Lara.

If (and only if) two closely matched fighters meet then any size/weight advantage must help. That said, making weight might be the toughest part of a training regime and not everyone is capable or willing to employ a dramatic rehydrating strategy, at least not for every fight. The strain on the body might be too much for some.

Some might instead prefer to work more on tactics, offence, defence, stamina etc. Decisions, decisions.

Amazing how complicated two boxers facing off against each other can be.

Quality post

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder's average weight when he's competed against a top-ten The Ring rated opponent is 217lbs.

He can make 200lbs easily.

A lot of people mocked my claim, but Deontay Wilder has today confirmed that he'll likely consider making the move down to cruiserweight after the AJ bout.

I really don't understand the reason why so many people ridiculed my claims considering how light Wilder's official weights have been for some of his biggest bouts.

[greg]

..I've not followed the thread..I guess I'm in danger of repeating the obvious..talk is cheap, you don't move to cruiserweight if you're a successful heavyweight for obvious reasons...

[tiny_acres]

Wilder's average weight when he's competed against a top-ten The Ring rated opponent is 217lbs.

He can make 200lbs easily.

A lot of people mocked my claim, but Deontay Wilder has today confirmed that he'll likely consider making the move down to cruiserweight after the AJ bout.

I really don't understand the reason why so many people ridiculed my claims considering how light Wilder's official weights have been for some of his biggest bouts.

Could you please provide a link. I haven't seen it yet.

[tiny_acres]

Wilder's average weight when he's competed against a top-ten The Ring rated opponent is 217lbs.

He can make 200lbs easily.

A lot of people mocked my claim, but Deontay Wilder has today confirmed that he'll likely consider making the move down to cruiserweight after the AJ bout.

I really don't understand the reason why so many people ridiculed my claims considering how light Wilder's official weights have been for some of his biggest bouts.

Could you please provide a link. I haven't seen it yet.

Never mind just found it

[Taansend]

Wilder should stop tweeting after smoking blunts

[Taansend]

Wilder just announced he's entering the WBSS Bantamweight tournament.

[tiny_acres]

Wilder should stop tweeting after smoking blunts

No doubt

[chinarich]

Wilder should stop tweeting after smoking blunts

That dope found in his car wasn’t his, y’know?

[SenorPipino]

Wilder's just talking crap.

Undoubtedly playing around, as he loves to do, and chuckling at the social media uproar.

Imagine a unified heavyweight champion (he said he would go to cruiser only after unifying the heavyweight titles) dropping down from boxing's huge money glamour division, to a weight class that is chiefly ignored.

Not a chance.

Wilder will more likely finish his career near 240 than 200.