Honeyghan v Hatton?

[silkov]

What Tszyu not as good as Honeyghan? Of course Honeyghan was a bigger man than Tszyu, but Kostya was a fantastic champ.

Kostya was good but pound for pound I think Honeyghan was a better all round boxer, faster too... with more the style to beat Hatton, aside from the fact that he was also naturally bigger... I think Kostya is rather overrated as a champion myself... too much inactivity and hot and cold performances... the Honeyghan who beat Curry, Bumphus and Hatcher would have had far too much for Ricky imo...

You think Bumphus and Hatcher are impressive names?

Lloyd did very well to go over and beat Curry, but Curry was in a bad way by fight night, and you could see that he just wasn't prepared for a hard night's work. You could say the same about Tszyu, but Kostya gave Ricky some serious hard licks in rounds 3,4,5,6,7, and it looked like he was going to bash Ricky up at one point. Curry was never in the fight at all.

Honeyghan was nowhere near as accurate as Tszyu and didn't have the same sniper like deadly punching either.

Bumphus and Hatcher were decent fighters... no worse than 99% of Hattons opposition... but its not just that Honeyghan beat them but how he beat them!...

[silkov]

Not a hope, Curry would have clowned him worse than Starling did. Its a great mystery how Curry just turned shit (comparatively) in the space of one fight, Honeyghan played his part but the stage was set for him.

Now, Tszyu could have had problems with Honeyghan, particularly the younger Tszyu who got beaten down by Phillips...the older one would have coasted to a decision (p4p)...

Well Honeyghan did beat Curry didn't he?... and the Honeyghan who beat Curry was a different fighter to the one who was beaten by Starling...

Hey, he won - no question...I just don;t think it was a question of styles..it was just the night it was...

..and although Honeyghan had faded somewhat by the time of Starling, I don;t think it would have made much difference, he was made to order

A peak Honeyghan would have been a different proposition to the one-dimensional Honeyghan that fought Starling.

[salaco]

Well Honeyghan did beat Curry didn't he?... and the Honeyghan who beat Curry was a different fighter to the one who was beaten by Starling...

Hey, he won - no question...I just don;t think it was a question of styles..it was just the night it was...

..and although Honeyghan had faded somewhat by the time of Starling, I don;t think it would have made much difference, he was made to order

A peak Honeyghan would have been a different proposition to the one-dimensional Honeyghan that fought Starling.

If you mean the peak Honeyghan who fought Curry, I don't think the result would be significantly different, a better showing but much the same....no shame there however, Starling was a great fighter IMO...

[dr_devious]

Personally I think Dave Boy Green would have beaten Hatton as well...

No chance

[hitman_hatton1]

i see this being a tasty fight.

but i reckon hatton takes this one and outpoints honeyghan.

i just don't really see how honeyghan wins it. his skills were good, but nothing exceptional. his power wasn't particularly earth shattering either and hatton has a better workrate.

honeyghan gives hatton a bloody good fight, but he doesn't beat him.

[MightyWarrior]

Bumphus and Hatcher were decent fighters... no worse than 99% of Hattons opposition... but its not just that Honeyghan beat them but how he beat them!...

But don't forget, in an early blue print for the way FW brought Hatton along, Micky Duff picked two aging fighters from a division below for Lloyd's first two defences: Bumphus and Hatcher were both LWelters really.

And Bumphus was absolutely shot to pieces: his legs looked stiff on the way to the ring. I'll never forget the stare down Honey inflicted on a terrified looking Bumphus before the first bell - Johnny seemed to shrink in size as Honey moved his head closer and closer....no wonder Tyson was a fan of Honeyghan.

And Hatcher was caught by one of the wildest punches you'll ever see - Lloyd was swinging from the hip and almost took Hatcher's head clean off.
The rubbish ref let Honey tee off on an unconcious Hatcher, propped on the ropes, and thankfully Lloyd decided to stop punching himself and walked away.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I remember that Bumphus was seen as cannon fodder going into the fight, and yes he looked about 150 in the ring, he also had a piss poor record fighting mainly over the hill guys and people wiht losing records coming into the Honeyghan fight.

[hitman_hatton1]

I remember that Bumphus was seen as cannon fodder going into the fight, and yes he looked about 150 in the ring, he also had a piss poor record fighting mainly over the hill guys and people wiht losing records coming into the Honeyghan fight.

bumphus got taken to the cleaners alright.

love that bit when honeyghan rushes him before the bell to start rd 2. lou duva was so incensed i thought he was gonna trade places with bumphus.

i've got all of honeyghan's title fights and the mittee fight. i might give em a look over the next few days, i've not watched em for a while.

[bennie]

Bumphus and Hatcher were decent fighters... no worse than 99% of Hattons opposition... but its not just that Honeyghan beat them but how he beat them!...

But don't forget, in an early blue print for the way FW brought Hatton along, Micky Duff picked two aging fighters from a division below for Lloyd's first two defences: Bumphus and Hatcher were both LWelters really.

And Bumphus was absolutely shot to pieces: his legs looked stiff on the way to the ring. I'll never forget the stare down Honey inflicted on a terrified looking Bumphus before the first bell - Johnny seemed to shrink in size as Honey moved his head closer and closer....no wonder Tyson was a fan of Honeyghan.

And Hatcher was caught by one of the wildest punches you'll ever see - Lloyd was swinging from the hip and almost took Hatcher's head clean off.
The rubbish ref let Honey tee off on an unconcious Hatcher, propped on the ropes, and thankfully Lloyd decided to stop punching himself and walked away.

I was disappointed in Honeyghan as champ. He developed into a brawler. Most of his title defences, especially against Blocker, were awful to watch. It didn't help that his relationship with Mickey Duff had broken down (shades of McGuigan-Eastwood), prompting Duff to say, memorably: "there is nothing in our contract that says we have to like each other."
Honeyghan peaked the night he beat Curry, in my opinion. His all-round game seemed to leave him as champ.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I remember that Bumphus was seen as cannon fodder going into the fight, and yes he looked about 150 in the ring, he also had a piss poor record fighting mainly over the hill guys and people wiht losing records coming into the Honeyghan fight.

bumphus got taken to the cleaners alright.

love that bit when honeyghan rushes him before the bell to start rd 2. lou duva was so incensed i thought he was gonna trade places with bumphus.

i've got all of honeyghan's title fights and the mittee fight. i might give em a look over the next few days, i've not watched em for a while.

"The bell went ding....I went dong."

Classic

[silkov]

Bumphus and Hatcher were decent fighters... no worse than 99% of Hattons opposition... but its not just that Honeyghan beat them but how he beat them!...

But don't forget, in an early blue print for the way FW brought Hatton along, Micky Duff picked two aging fighters from a division below for Lloyd's first two defences: Bumphus and Hatcher were both LWelters really.

And Bumphus was absolutely shot to pieces: his legs looked stiff on the way to the ring. I'll never forget the stare down Honey inflicted on a terrified looking Bumphus before the first bell - Johnny seemed to shrink in size as Honey moved his head closer and closer....no wonder Tyson was a fan of Honeyghan.

And Hatcher was caught by one of the wildest punches you'll ever see - Lloyd was swinging from the hip and almost took Hatcher's head clean off.
The rubbish ref let Honey tee off on an unconcious Hatcher, propped on the ropes, and thankfully Lloyd decided to stop punching himself and walked away.

I was disappointed in Honeyghan as champ. He developed into a brawler. Most of his title defences, especially against Blocker, were awful to watch. It didn't help that his relationship with Mickey Duff had broken down (shades of McGuigan-Eastwood), prompting Duff to say, memorably: "there is nothing in our contract that says we have to like each other."
Honeyghan peaked the night he beat Curry, in my opinion. His all-round game seemed to leave him as champ.

That must have had a lot to do with his hand problems... he started trying to get fights over with early...

[stujones]

Honeyghun also tried to be the same fighter and fight the same way when on the slide - which is a common problem with fighters who get shot at a relatively young age.

[silkov]

Honeyghun also tried to be the same fighter and fight the same way when on the slide - which is a common problem with fighters who get shot at a relatively young age.

After the Starling fight he tried to go back to his earlier boxing style but his legs were pretty much gone... I remember his fight with Pazienza... one of the saddest but bravest displays I've seen from a British fighter...

[stujones]

Honeyghun also tried to be the same fighter and fight the same way when on the slide - which is a common problem with fighters who get shot at a relatively young age.

After the Starling fight he tried to go back to his earlier boxing style but his legs were pretty much gone... I remember his fight with Pazienza... one of the saddest but bravest displays I've seen from a British fighter...

Yes, Pazienza was an animal in those days.... he is a very underated fighter.

Honeyghun went on a mini run prior to the Paz fight... capturing the Commonwealth belt, but Paz was a different proposition and Honeyghun suffered big time.... Good ITV show that was with Holyfield vs Stewart also on the bill.

Worst was to come though when he faced Adrian Dodson on the Benn vs McClellan undercard.... Seeing him ducking and diving on the ropes in his style, but getting frequently caught by Dodson was very sad.

Also was sad was that Adrian Dodson never fulfilled his undoubted potential.

[KO Artist]

But don't forget, in an early blue print for the way FW brought Hatton along, Micky Duff picked two aging fighters from a division below for Lloyd's first two defences: Bumphus and Hatcher were both LWelters really.

And Bumphus was absolutely shot to pieces: his legs looked stiff on the way to the ring. I'll never forget the stare down Honey inflicted on a terrified looking Bumphus before the first bell - Johnny seemed to shrink in size as Honey moved his head closer and closer....no wonder Tyson was a fan of Honeyghan.

And Hatcher was caught by one of the wildest punches you'll ever see - Lloyd was swinging from the hip and almost took Hatcher's head clean off.
The rubbish ref let Honey tee off on an unconcious Hatcher, propped on the ropes, and thankfully Lloyd decided to stop punching himself and walked away.

I was disappointed in Honeyghan as champ. He developed into a brawler. Most of his title defences, especially against Blocker, were awful to watch. It didn't help that his relationship with Mickey Duff had broken down (shades of McGuigan-Eastwood), prompting Duff to say, memorably: "there is nothing in our contract that says we have to like each other."
Honeyghan peaked the night he beat Curry, in my opinion. His all-round game seemed to leave him as champ.

That must have had a lot to do with his hand problems... he started trying to get fights over with early...

I cant beleive you feel Hatton would beat a prime Honeyghan.

Lloyd acheived far more than Hatton has to date, was a better boxer, better puncher, faster as well.

You are underrating Honeyghan big time.

As for Hatton, very good fighter, but dont be at all surprised if Collazo beats him, particularly with the shambles going on around him.

[silkov]

I was disappointed in Honeyghan as champ. He developed into a brawler. Most of his title defences, especially against Blocker, were awful to watch. It didn't help that his relationship with Mickey Duff had broken down (shades of McGuigan-Eastwood), prompting Duff to say, memorably: "there is nothing in our contract that says we have to like each other."
Honeyghan peaked the night he beat Curry, in my opinion. His all-round game seemed to leave him as champ.

That must have had a lot to do with his hand problems... he started trying to get fights over with early...

I cant beleive you feel Hatton would beat a prime Honeyghan.

Lloyd acheived far more than Hatton has to date, was a better boxer, better puncher, faster as well.

You are underrating Honeyghan big time.

As for Hatton, very good fighter, but dont be at all surprised if Collazo beats him, particularly with the shambles going on around him.

I've been saying all along that Honeyghan would beat Hatton... different class imo... :x :x

[Ezzard]

I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

[KO Artist]

I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

Curry, in his very brief prime, was one of the best boxers I have EVER seen.

Awesome.

[silkov]

I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

I think the reason Honeyghan fought the way he did against Starling was because of his bad hands and he was trying to get Marlon out of there like he did Vaca.... Maybe Lloyd saw the Molinares fight and believed he could ko Starling... it was a bad mistake...

[Ezzard]

I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

I think the reason Honeyghan fought the way he did against Starling was because of his bad hands and he was trying to get Marlon out of there like he did Vaca.... Maybe Lloyd saw the Molinares fight and believed he could ko Starling... it was a bad mistake...

After the Molinares fihgt I remember Honeyghan in an interview declaring that Starling was shot. I hadn't seen any evidence of that at all. Starling was a very good defensive fighter with a stout chin. Molinares would never have KO'd him if not for the after-the-bell shot. Starling could be lazy in the ring though and Honeyghan could have outworked him if he'd have had good hands and fought to a proper fight plan. I was very disappointed in the way he fought. He didn't do himself justice.

[Ezzard]

I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

Curry, in his very brief prime, was one of the best boxers I have EVER seen.

Awesome.

He looked great against Jones and McCrory but I don't think the unification fight was ever really as big an event as it was amde out to be. McCrory was young, with Kronk and had a physique akin to Hearns, and many fans were dreaming of Leonard-Hearns I. Still Curry cracked him like an egg.

I thought Curry's #1 p4p rating was premature as Hagler was way out in front IMO and Marvin's win over Tommy was far more of a fight than Curry over Milton.

Curry did look unbeatable at the weight (someone on boxrec told me that Curry had a way of boiling down for fights, never heard anyone else mention this though). Still, he liked that high guard and to slowly counter his opponent and slwo the fight down. A busy mauler who could take the power shots would give him trouble. Odd how Curry went from full house to busted flush in such a short space of time.

[RobD]

Curry developed abit of a drug problem wich didn't help him.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

Curry had a very poor defence, relied on his reflexes was too much. That's why once he began to decline slightly, he started getting battered. A little overrated in my opinion, but a devastating puncher with great speed. He was that era's Zab Judah in my opinion.

[silkov]

I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

Curry had a very poor defence, relied on his reflexes was too much. That's why once he began to decline slightly, he started getting battered. A little overrated in my opinion, but a devastating puncher with great speed. He was that era's Zab Judah in my opinion.

I'd say he was far better than Zab... better chin and stronger mentally especially in his prime...

[KO Artist]

I think there's more to come from Hatton, but at the moment though I'd side with Lloyd.

Honey's problem was that he started believing his own hype. He fought exactly the wrong fight against Starling. He played right into his hands. He could have outworked marlon over the distance but he was never going to blast him out.

I agree with people on here suggesting that Lloyd became too much of a brawler after the Curry fight.

I always thought Curry, despite being a fantastic fighter, was being a bit overrated by many. I fancied a real mauler could make him fight at a pace he didn't like.

Far better than Judah mate, no comparison IMO.

In his prime Curry had a great defence, high guard, chin down great reflexes, you can ask for more than that.

His defence deteriorated as he abused his body with drink and drugs and had to rely on weight loss in training, rather than woking on technique.

To this day he is the best fighter I have ever seen perform in the flesh.

Curry had a very poor defence, relied on his reflexes was too much. That's why once he began to decline slightly, he started getting battered. A little overrated in my opinion, but a devastating puncher with great speed. He was that era's Zab Judah in my opinion.