Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 11:40
Why would Vitali need Briggs' corner to throw in the towel? If Vitali could punch he would have knocked out a 40 year old, injured, glass chinned Shannon Briggs.
No surprise the only two retards in the thread siding with the Klitschkos keep having to cite stats (which they don't understand) and can't discuss actual boxing detail.
Ah, so Jimmy San, so you held your breath to beat your tiny fists on the carpet screaming blue and purple over boxing stats, eh? Briggs only took a 10 count in his first loss to Wilson. The Lewis TKO was Briggs missing a punch and corkscrewing himself into the canvas from exhaustion after burning himself up making Lenny lurch around the ring like one of your besotted English sailors on leave or half the lot the post here. By your logic, Wilson was by far the harder puncher compared to Lewis, and who was it again suffering spectacular one punch KOs?
OOOOPS!
Boxing Stats 101 just for you Jimbo, so cry up a river to get your poor mum to tuck in yer bib so you don’t drool down yer jumper: Starting with final career records and moving through basic timelines that all sports are based on, and do keep in mind they were contemporary to each other in their day with significant career overlap, yet there was only one fight between them with few common opponents. A F-A-I-R comparison being the keyword here.
Lennox: 41-2-1, 32 KO. Title record of 16-2, 10 KO, ultimately unifying the belts, but never defending his unification, instead infamously selling off two belts to long time heavy contenders and mandatories promoted by Don King, Chris Byrd and John Ruiz before abandoning his WBC days before being stripped.
Wlad: 64-5, 53 KO. Title record of 25-4, breaking the Joe Louis title bouts of 27, or arguably 28 if we consider Louis also beat the White heavy and BBC champ that he was never credited for, Savold. Wlad also beat Louis by a wide margin in years holding a title, and consolidated more titles than any unified champ in history and with much diplomacy involved, defended them for many years.
Vitali: 45-2, 41 KO. Title record of 15-2, 12 KO never unified, mainly because Wlad overlapped his career, a nonstarter bout never planned though they could have agreed to do it and boxed at a 12 rd exhibition level to allow the judges to settle the decision and cleared $100 million or more.
My conclusion: Wlad almost 50% more fights and title records set beyond what is likely to be beat until boxing collapses in disrepair. Vitali with the better career record than Lewis, but one title defense less than Lewis.
Age they turned Pro and won first title:
Lennox: Turned pro age 23 and was 27 when he decisioned Tony Tucker for his first title(vacated by Big Dummy Bowe)
Wlad: Turned pro age 20 as Olympic Gold Medalist and was age 24 when he beat Byrd for his first title.
Vitali: Turned pro age 25 and was 27 when he KOed Herbie Hide in England for his first title, the only one taking his first belt in the champ’s hometown.
My Conclusion: Wlad obviously the more gifted with Lennox and Lewis pretty much tied save Lewis didn’t actually beat a standing champ.
These I take to be the protagonists’ best opponents showing dominance without controversy or officiating help:
Lennox: Mike Tyson long past his but still in Ring top 10, and David Tua, a formidable slugger shut out over the distance with Tyson knocked out, and Shannon Briggs who was the “lineal heavy champ, 2 Kos with one shutout.
Wlad: Traveled literally into enemy territory of Russia engaged in a low level war with Ukraine to beat the Olympic Gold medalist and undefeated WBA champ Alexander Povetkin, Ruslan Chagaev, the undefeated World Gold Medalist and WBA champ in a tricky southpaw taken on short notice, David Haye the WBA champ, Sultan Ibragimov the Olympic Silver Medalist and undefeated WBO champ, and a shutout over Chris Byrd the WBO champ, making it twice when Byrd was IBF champ, 5 wide shutouts with one KO over Chagaev.
Vitali: Adamek a highly rated Heavy and P4Per, Solis gold medalist, undefeated and highly touted, Arreola undefeated KO artist, Juan Carlos Gomez highly accomplished cruiser champ, heavy contender and tricky southpaw rumored to have “handled” Vitali in sparring back in the day, Sam Peter only once defeated and WBC champ in Vitali’s first fight back from 4 year retirement, and Corrie Sanders and fast starting southpaw KO artist heavily avoided by champs back in the day. Vitali KOed all.
My conclusion: Vitali a big edge in 5 KOs,100%, Wlad with more quality and quantity with 6 wins, and Lewis down on quality wins with 3 and one more KO than Wlad.
Let’s look at where the fighters were midcareer.
Lennox: Boxed 14 years, so in 1997 he regained his WBC belt against crack addict Oliver McCall dragged out of drug rehab the week before the fight with subsequent result, won a DQ against undefeated Henry Akinwande, and a quick KO over Andrew Golota, all title fights.
Wlad: Boxed 21 years, so midway in 2006 to 2007, he KOed Byrd, undefeated Calvin Brock, Ray Austin, and Lamon Brewster, all title fights.
Vitali: Boxed 16 years pro, so at 8 years in 2004 he KOed Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams, both top 10 fighters at the time and entered retirement for 4 years, so technically only active for approx. 12 years.
Hard to draw a conclusion: I feel Vitali comp is better with Wlad and Lennox tied for quantity as they regained a title.
This the age and results of the final 2 years:
Lennox: Age 36-37 he knocks out Tyson and forces a ref stoppage on Vitali. Backed out of his agreed rematch at age 38 for HUGE $$$, very strange behavior for a prize fighter.
Wlad: Age 40-41, he was inactive after two pull outs by new defending Tyson Fury and was knocked out by Anthony Joshua in one of the most highly skilled all time donnybrooks in the history of the division.
Vitali: Age 39-41, he KOs Odlanier Solis, Tomasz Adamek and Manuel Charr with UD over Derek Chisora, a fight he fought one handed after injury to his shoulder.
My Conclusion: Vitali and Wlad finished a few years older with Vitali having stupendous results. Wlad suffered from the perfect storm of negative circumstances beyond his control. Lennox simply didn’t have it any more and didn’t want to get beat up for all the tea in China.
In summary: Wlad has arguably the best career record for heavies though I’d still have Louis edging him.
Vitali and Lewis are close in their fashion, but Vitali also set a longevity record for winning a title immediately after a long retirement, 4 years, and simply has more wins and KOs and only one down in title fights to Lewis. If he hadn’t a compelling deadline to run for political office, he could have easily come back for one more win. The only other fighter I can think of who served in politics after their careers ended are Gene Tunney and Eder Jofre though there may be more. The way Lewis way giving up all his belts speaks of a Lamb’s exit, not a Lion. I can’t imagine him enduring the dangerous political riot conditions by Vitali in Ukraine.
And now Jimmy san, nobody ever held Vitali being an explosive puncher though he has the 1st round phantom one punch that visualy jerked Odlanier Solis’ knee out of joint that he is never credited with. 87% KO ratio bespeaks to his accuracy and accumulation workrate accomplished with “ARM punches,” Jimbo. Not a flaw to be an arm puncher if you have his kind of power. They’re faster and more accurate and both he and Wlad perfected the new big man style of boxing. And they were both head hunters to lean move back in straight lines like Ali used to do, but they were usually in range, their range, not their opponents’. Wlad did suffer from too much clinching later in his career and was off balance earlier when throwing the right, the reason he won several of his fights almost exclusively with his left. Overall they were both some of the best balanced boxers in history and KO artists in history and were winning most rounds in every fight, a combination of dominance not seen since prime Mike Tyson.
Now scream for yer mam Jimbo to dismiss you from your bib.
