Joshua vs. Povetkin, a mismatch or not ?

[Ilya Muromets]

Well said. The man is obsessed with size and it gets very boring. I'm expecting Joshua to win comfortably but that's more age related than size. Of course size is an advantage to Joshua but compare their respective performances against Carlos Takam if you believe that at no point in time could this fight (AJ/AP) have been genuinely competitive. It might still be but I suspect not.

I make no comment about whether or not I think Povetkin has ever been a drug user, but I will say that if x2x really believes that Joshua is scared to face him, or that Sasha will be deprived of his chance to fight in order to protect Joshua, then I think my learned friend has been smoking some pretty strong sh*t. Lightning won't strike twice x2x I'm certain of that.

I didn't mean Joshua - or Wilder either - is personally afraid to face the Vityaz man. Boxers are pretty brave people. I mean their handlers have other plans for them. They are the ones who are afraid - afraid that one of their precious cash cows might lose and spoil their long term plans for the big money sports entertainment showdown between them in london or Las Vegas.

PS Use the quote feature. Then the person you are responding to knows about it. I just happened to spot this old thread.

[funso banjo baby]

Povetkin is the number 2.

he fights the highest level of opp and has only been beaten by Klit.

This is a great fight

[candyslim]

Well said. The man is obsessed with size and it gets very boring. I'm expecting Joshua to win comfortably but that's more age related than size. Of course size is an advantage to Joshua but compare their respective performances against Carlos Takam if you believe that at no point in time could this fight (AJ/AP) have been genuinely competitive. It might still be but I suspect not.

I make no comment about whether or not I think Povetkin has ever been a drug user, but I will say that if x2x really believes that Joshua is scared to face him, or that Sasha will be deprived of his chance to fight in order to protect Joshua, then I think my learned friend has been smoking some pretty strong sh*t. Lightning won't strike twice x2x I'm certain of that.

I didn't mean Joshua - or Wilder either - is personally afraid to face the Vityaz man. Boxers are pretty brave people. I mean their handlers have other plans for them. They are the ones who are afraid - afraid that one of their precious cash cows might lose and spoil their long term plans for the big money sports entertainment showdown between them in london or Las Vegas.

PS Use the quote feature. Then the person you are responding to knows about it. I just happened to spot this old thread.

Ok but I'm sure that no one is scared of Povetkin on Joshua's behalf, and while I cannot rule out dodgy scoring, I can be sure nobody is going to prevent the fight going ahead without a genuine reason.

I didn't quote you because my comment primarily referred to the one that came before. I also try to avoid quoting where I can, because you often get a situation where someone has made a one line comment but because of quotes within quotes, the post takes up half a page. Besides, don't you read your 'notifications'?

[Ilya Muromets]

Candyslim - Yes, I agree with you about the quotes within quotes wasting space, thought I suppose u could edit the quotes to shorten them, that is delete all but the relevant part. What do u mean about reading my notifications? Yes I do, but all it shows is people who have quoted me.

[Lackeos]

Povetkin is one of the best opponents that Joshua could be facing. He's the boogeyman that Wilder didn't want. Regardless of whether Joshua does or does not dominate Povetkin, it would be one of the best opponents he could possibly be matched with. Same when Wladimir fought Povetkin. Although, I haven't seen evidence of Joshua shutting out and dominating top opponents as consistently as Wlad did; so there is not strong reason to think that Joshua - Povetkin will be a boring 120-108 domination. Either Joshua or Wilder should be granted plenty of respect for fighting an opponent as formidable as Povetkin.

[candyslim]

Candyslim - Yes, I agree with you about the quotes within quotes wasting space, thought I suppose u could edit the quotes to shorten them, that is delete all but the relevant part. What do u mean about reading my notifications? Yes I do, but all it shows is people who have quoted me.

My settings are set to notify me whenever anyone posts in a thread that I have posted in. That way when I log into Boxrec the first thing I do is check my notifications and after that I go to the menu to see what new threads I might want to comment about.

I know what you mean about protection but you only have to look at who Joshua has fought in his short 20 or is it 21 fight career, to realize that Hearn, and anyone else charged with protecting him, is either doing a lousy job, has great faith in his ability, or gets overruled by the man himself. Wilder? ... not so much.

[Ilya Muromets]

My settings are set to notify me whenever anyone posts in a thread that I have posted in. That way when I log into Boxrec the first thing I do is check my notifications and after that I go to the menu to see what new threads I might want to comment about.

I know what you mean about protection but you only have to look at who Joshua has fought in his short 20 or is it 21 fight career, to realize that Hearn, and anyone else charged with protecting him, is either doing a lousy job, has great faith in his ability, or gets overruled by the man himself. Wilder? ... not so much.

I just checked and found that Notifications has a settings control, but my setting were already set like yours, yet it only notifies me when I'm quoted. Sometimes that gets stuck too. Perhaps this place works better with some browsers. Mostly I use Firefox with Android.

Point taken in the second paragraph, but I don't think they will let J fight P, especially not when the Wilder match is so close.

And again, I voted yes the hypothetical fight that wont happen will - would - be a mismatch, a mismatch in favor of the Vityaz man!

[candyslim]

The fight will happen and we'll be able to test our respective theories about the result. The UK isn't entirely free from corruption but we are freer than most. No one in the boxing establishment is going to take any action to protect Joshua even if they thought he needed protecting. They are certainly not going to interfere with the fight going ahead

Judges and referees may be afflicted by home-town bias, but I don't believe that is because any pressure is put on them. Just like a football referee they are not immune to the crowd and can be influenced without even realizing that they have been.

While Povetkin is much respected here, I don't think AJ's fans or his handlers are worried that he won't be able to handle Sasha. It can't have escaped your notice that he doesn't shy away from formidable opponents. The resume doesn't lie even if Shirley Winkle does

[KiwiRider]

It's official. Povitkin is very dangerous for AJ.
Jonny Nelson, he with the strong arm of Sky Sports firmly up his backside working his mouth, says so!

[Ilya Muromets]

Candyslim - Well it's scheduled pretty soon so we'll soon see. I'm not as impressed with the alleged honesty of British boxing as you are. Unless you were comparing it with Las Vegas!

[candyslim]

I'm a Brit so I can't rule out national bias. We've had our share of dubious decisions but then do you think Parker expected the decision over Fury or how about Mo Hooker over Terry Flanagan, just to name two that spring readily to mind?.

There was a time when most Brits would rather lose with honour rather than have their integrity called into question, but sadly we have caught up with the times. Just watch Football and you'll see (certain, not a majority of) English players are as adept at "winning" a penalty or a free-kick as any Latino.

[DrDuke]

I'm a Brit so I can't rule out national bias. We've had our share of dubious decisions but then do you think Parker expected the decision over Fury or how about Mo Hooker over Terry Flanagan, just to name two that spring readily to mind?.

There was a time when most Brits would rather lose with honour rather than have their integrity called into question, but sadly we have caught up with the times. Just watch Football and you'll see (certain, not a majority of) English players are as adept at "winning" a penalty or a free-kick as any Latino.

Joshua is the biggest star, there has always been some bias aroung him. Dubious lead on the 2 of Klitschko scorecards, Takam stoppage, too wide numbers on Parker scorecards. So, I don't see any other options in Povetkin fight.

[higgs88]

i voted undecided but do we really think Hearn would risk a loss when they've signed a 2 fight deal at wembley? they know Povetkin is a short old man off the PEDs.

[Ilya Muromets]

I'm a Brit so I can't rule out national bias. We've had our share of dubious decisions but then do you think Parker expected the decision over Fury or how about Mo Hooker over Terry Flanagan, just to name two that spring readily to mind?.

There was a time when most Brits would rather lose with honour rather than have their integrity called into question, but sadly we have caught up with the times. Just watch Football and you'll see (certain, not a majority of) English players are as adept at "winning" a penalty or a free-kick as any Latino.

Joshua is the biggest star, there has always been some bias aroung him. Dubious lead on the 2 of Klitschko scorecards, Takam stoppage, too wide numbers on Parker scorecards. So, I don't see any other options in Povetkin fight.

I think the chances of Povetkin winning a decision in the UK are about zero. He'll have to win by KO - which is what I am predicting!

[caldo2025]

OMG...now i've got a few months to look forward to the Povetkin idiots yapping about this and that. I hope that once AJ knocks that little pumpkin pie haircutted freak out then we will finally be done hearing about him? THat i pray.

[candyslim]

I'm a Brit so I can't rule out national bias. We've had our share of dubious decisions but then do you think Parker expected the decision over Fury or how about Mo Hooker over Terry Flanagan, just to name two that spring readily to mind?.

There was a time when most Brits would rather lose with honour rather than have their integrity called into question, but sadly we have caught up with the times. Just watch Football and you'll see (certain, not a majority of) English players are as adept at "winning" a penalty or a free-kick as any Latino.

Joshua is the biggest star, there has always been some bias aroung him. Dubious lead on the 2 of Klitschko scorecards, Takam stoppage, too wide numbers on Parker scorecards. So, I don't see any other options in Povetkin fight.

I think the chances of Povetkin winning a decision in the UK are about zero. He'll have to win by KO - which is what I am predicting!

It saddens me that you think a visiting fighter can't get a fair deal in the UK but if that's what you think then that's what you think. No point my trying to change that.

[Ilya Muromets]

Candyslim, my friend, didn't you just allow that the UK isn't what it once was? Re your "there was a time..." post above. Yes, there was a time when i would not have said such a thing.

[candyslim]

I did concede that but I still maintain you stand as good a chance of getting a fair result in the UK as anywhere you can name, and a better chance than most. Standards aren't what they used to be but we've a long way still to fall or hopefully not to.

[Mexi-Box]

I'm actually very excited. I have to wonder if Povetkin will show up like he did against Charr and come in top shape again. If he comes in looking like he did against Price, I don't think he's taking this fight seriously. It's his last chance to win a world title again. It'd be disappointing if he comes in out of shape.

By the way, Price really took the Povetkin fight seriously. Probably the best version of Price I've ever seen in the ring. Guy showed up in shape and was dangerous.

I'd like to see them during the weigh in for sure. I just wish Povetkin was younger. Anyways, if Joshua dominates Povetkin, he's the truth. Seeing how he did against Parker, I can't see Joshua being dominant even against this aging version.

[punchoutsb]

No even close to a mismatch; it's one of the very best matches to make at HW.

[Ilya Muromets]

I'm actually very excited. I have to wonder if Povetkin will show up like he did against Charr and come in top shape again. If he comes in looking like he did against Price, I don't think he's taking this fight seriously. It's his last chance to win a world title again. It'd be disappointing if he comes in out of shape.

By the way, Price really took the Povetkin fight seriously. Probably the best version of Price I've ever seen in the ring. Guy showed up in shape and was dangerous.

I'd like to see them during the weigh in for sure. I just wish Povetkin was younger. Anyways, if Joshua dominates Povetkin, he's the truth. Seeing how he did against Parker, I can't see Joshua being dominant even against this aging version.

I said the same thing. He's fighting again next week, vs. Mr Tba

[Luis Fernando12]

Anything short of Anthony Joshua literally knocking Povetkin out inside the first few seconds of the first round whilst putting Povetkin to sleep in concussive fashion, would expose Joshua as an INSANE feather fist and as a TOTAL fraud.

Simply beating Povetkin isn't good or sufficient enough. Since It has to be via KO. And a KO alone isn't good enough either, since it has to also be a concussive KO where Povetkin is put to sleep and even that isn't enough, since it has to be done in the first few seconds of the first round.

Considering what has been said multiple times commonly about Povetkin supposedly nearly losing to Price. If Joshua can't fulfill the standard that has been set, then he gets exposed as an insane feather fist and a fraud.

Joshua gets 0 credit for winning this fight. And receives only criticism if he fails to fulfill the expectation. And if he does fulfill the expectation, then he is only doing what he's supposed to do and therefore deserves no credit.

This is like a 30 year old adult vs his 5 year old son in a mismatch type of a match up. And it has to be treated as such!

There are once again 2 olympic super heavyweight champions of the world in one ring and this is what you comment about it?
Povetkin has never lost on KO, as far as I know, not even in the amateurs while he did get 125 wins. On average, Povetkin is the highest ranked active heavyweight of the century.
AJ is good and AJ is the best of the division at this moment, but being as good as you suggest is nobody, not even AJ.

Just take a look at the pictures I've posted of both guys in regards to their physiques, and then come back and tell me if they even belong in the same ring together.

This is Alexander Povetkin, a fat, small, pudgy and chubby pudding:




And this is Anthony Joshua. An insane physical specimen and a giant behemoth:





Let's not kid ourselves here. This is a fight between almost 2 different animals / creatures altogether, A dinosaur T-REX (Anthony Joshua) against a mouse (Alexander Povetkin). That's how much of a laughable and disgusting mismatch this fight is.

Fights like these must be condemned for the sake for the dignity of the sport of boxing and for the health of smaller and unqualified boxers like Povetkin.

[Mexi-Box]

Anything short of Anthony Joshua literally knocking Povetkin out inside the first few seconds of the first round whilst putting Povetkin to sleep in concussive fashion, would expose Joshua as an INSANE feather fist and as a TOTAL fraud.

Simply beating Povetkin isn't good or sufficient enough. Since It has to be via KO. And a KO alone isn't good enough either, since it has to also be a concussive KO where Povetkin is put to sleep and even that isn't enough, since it has to be done in the first few seconds of the first round.

Considering what has been said multiple times commonly about Povetkin supposedly nearly losing to Price. If Joshua can't fulfill the standard that has been set, then he gets exposed as an insane feather fist and a fraud.

Joshua gets 0 credit for winning this fight. And receives only criticism if he fails to fulfill the expectation. And if he does fulfill the expectation, then he is only doing what he's supposed to do and therefore deserves no credit.

This is like a 30 year old adult vs his 5 year old son in a mismatch type of a match up. And it has to be treated as such!

There are once again 2 olympic super heavyweight champions of the world in one ring and this is what you comment about it?
Povetkin has never lost on KO, as far as I know, not even in the amateurs while he did get 125 wins. On average, Povetkin is the highest ranked active heavyweight of the century.
AJ is good and AJ is the best of the division at this moment, but being as good as you suggest is nobody, not even AJ.

Just take a look at the pictures I've posted of both guys in regards to their physiques, and then come back and tell me if they even belong in the same ring together.

This is Alexander Povetkin, a fat, small, pudgy and chubby pudding:




And this is Anthony Joshua. An insane physical specimen and a giant behemoth:





Let's not kid ourselves here. This is a fight between almost 2 different animals / creatures altogether, A dinosaur T-REX (Anthony Joshua) against a mouse (Alexander Povetkin). That's how much of a laughable and disgusting mismatch this fight is.

Fights like these must be condemned for the sake for the dignity of the sport of boxing and for the health of smaller and unqualified boxers like Povetkin.

WTF is wrong with you? Boxing isn't bodybuilding. You are a complete moron for posting this garbage.

[Ilya Muromets]

One of the two men pictured above has the body of a normal male athlete. The other one has a body that is rather unaturally "cut up" in a way that indicates the likelihood of steroid use. Can you tell which is which?

[Luis Fernando12]

There are once again 2 olympic super heavyweight champions of the world in one ring and this is what you comment about it?
Povetkin has never lost on KO, as far as I know, not even in the amateurs while he did get 125 wins. On average, Povetkin is the highest ranked active heavyweight of the century.
AJ is good and AJ is the best of the division at this moment, but being as good as you suggest is nobody, not even AJ.

Just take a look at the pictures I've posted of both guys in regards to their physiques, and then come back and tell me if they even belong in the same ring together.

This is Alexander Povetkin, a fat, small, pudgy and chubby pudding:




And this is Anthony Joshua. An insane physical specimen and a giant behemoth:





Let's not kid ourselves here. This is a fight between almost 2 different animals / creatures altogether, A dinosaur T-REX (Anthony Joshua) against a mouse (Alexander Povetkin). That's how much of a laughable and disgusting mismatch this fight is.

Fights like these must be condemned for the sake for the dignity of the sport of boxing and for the health of smaller and unqualified boxers like Povetkin.

WTF is wrong with you? Boxing isn't bodybuilding. You are a complete moron for posting this garbage.

No, but boxing is a contest of physical strength and punching power. And the importance of those two attributes are of the highest importance in the heavyweight division, than in any other weight division.

And the physical strength + punching power difference between Anthony Joshua and Alexander Povetkin is practically ASTRONOMICAL.. Which is what makes this bout a barbaric mismatch!

Anthony Joshua is functionally, significantly bigger than Povetkin. This isn't a fair fight unless Povetkin was to grow to Joshua's size.