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Sky Sports only reporting boxing that suits their agenda. Don't think the cruiserweight final was reported until afterwards when Usyk called out Bellew.
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Grilling Machine
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It's often hard to gauge the effect of a knockdown when it comes at the end of a round, though. You might not take an extra point and then the guy stumbles back out. Or you take a point and he's fine.WestEndRiot wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 17:56Fighter A is winning a round clearly for 2 minutes and 50 seconds and he is knocked down, then it becomes a 10-8 round for fighter B. That's a 3 point swing and for me isn't a fair reflection of the fight
I'd vote in favour of always taking a point for a knockdown, awarding 9-9 for rounds like your example, hence 9-8 when both are knocked down and one's otherwise won.
Because a knockdown's a mistake however you cut it, so I'd rather mark down than up. But whatever your system, we've all seen knockdowns that had far more of a bearing on those cards than they deserved. Shorter fights have been lost unfairly.
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This really fukks me off. They've got a news app and only report news that's relevant to their channel especially where boxing is concerned.
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Michael1988
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Yep. I remember the first day of Champions League fixtures that were on BT- the scores, or even any acknowledgement that games were happening, were completely absent on
Sky.
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Agree with almost everything in this thread to be honest.
I'm probably most sick of the small hall scene. Or at least local to me anyway.
I'd say there's some good, but not great prospects coming through. Every other month they're battering up some 3-75 Lithuanian and cruising to a 12-0, 15-0 record, rather than getting anywhere near a competitive bout in, so they can be farmed out as "unbeaten" on a Sky or BT card and served up to the latest TV-endorsed-next-best-thing-this week bumboy.
I know it's business, they need ticket sellers and those that buy them want to see their man win, but it's just so one-sided and so much of a foregone conclusion at the minute that it's like watching a film when you know what happens at the end, but with none of the intrigue of how they got to it.
Just ten bouts at similar weights, against random opponents with wins in single figures even if you combined the entire away corner. All leading to a way long night and ten home points wins.
I know also that younger fighters need to learn, and that's fine, but there comes a point by 10-0, 12-0 that you need to fight someone reasonable. Not even necessarily up and down the card, but at least one fight, the headline fight, should be on paper, competitive.
If you get beat, you get beat. sh-t happens.
It's just all too safe and boring.
I'm probably most sick of the small hall scene. Or at least local to me anyway.
I'd say there's some good, but not great prospects coming through. Every other month they're battering up some 3-75 Lithuanian and cruising to a 12-0, 15-0 record, rather than getting anywhere near a competitive bout in, so they can be farmed out as "unbeaten" on a Sky or BT card and served up to the latest TV-endorsed-next-best-thing-this week bumboy.
I know it's business, they need ticket sellers and those that buy them want to see their man win, but it's just so one-sided and so much of a foregone conclusion at the minute that it's like watching a film when you know what happens at the end, but with none of the intrigue of how they got to it.
Just ten bouts at similar weights, against random opponents with wins in single figures even if you combined the entire away corner. All leading to a way long night and ten home points wins.
I know also that younger fighters need to learn, and that's fine, but there comes a point by 10-0, 12-0 that you need to fight someone reasonable. Not even necessarily up and down the card, but at least one fight, the headline fight, should be on paper, competitive.
If you get beat, you get beat. sh-t happens.
It's just all too safe and boring.
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I think the idea of the 10 points must system is that the winner always scores 10 points regardless.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 22:10It's often hard to gauge the effect of a knockdown when it comes at the end of a round, though. You might not take an extra point and then the guy stumbles back out. Or you take a point and he's fine.WestEndRiot wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 17:56Fighter A is winning a round clearly for 2 minutes and 50 seconds and he is knocked down, then it becomes a 10-8 round for fighter B. That's a 3 point swing and for me isn't a fair reflection of the fight
I'd vote in favour of always taking a point for a knockdown, awarding 9-9 for rounds like your example, hence 9-8 when both are knocked down and one's otherwise won.
Because a knockdown's a mistake however you cut it, so I'd rather mark down than up. But whatever your system, we've all seen knockdowns that had far more of a bearing on those cards than they deserved. Shorter fights have been lost unfairly.
So even in an eventful round where both fighters get knocked down and both suffer point deductions. Yet one fighter gets the better of the action, you should still score it 10-9 as appose to 8-7.
Same goes with drawn rounds, if a fighter wins a round clearly, yet suffers a flash knockdown, it should be scored 10-10 rather than 9-9.
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'Man strength'
Seven Nation Army by the brilliant White Stripes being ruined for me by pissed up fans
Fighters having to jump through 5 weight divisions to be fully appreciated
The idea that grown men naturally 'fill out' at 30
'Apologies for the language in the corner' - I'm a grown man watching two other grown men punch the sh1t out of each other, I think i can cope with a bit of language (that is of course if we get to hear the cornermen instead of another f*cking SkyBet advert)
I need a sit down...
Seven Nation Army by the brilliant White Stripes being ruined for me by pissed up fans
Fighters having to jump through 5 weight divisions to be fully appreciated
The idea that grown men naturally 'fill out' at 30
'Apologies for the language in the corner' - I'm a grown man watching two other grown men punch the sh1t out of each other, I think i can cope with a bit of language (that is of course if we get to hear the cornermen instead of another f*cking SkyBet advert)
I need a sit down...
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Ten point must you would still deduct a point if instructed by the ref so a 10-9 would end up 9-9, otherwise what's the point of having a deduction system?
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guys with totally inconsistent criteria to rank fighters, wins etc
oh so you were all about resume to bash one guy, but now when it comes to a proven fighter who you dont want to give credit to , ts all about how they look and how boring they are
oh so you were all about resume to bash one guy, but now when it comes to a proven fighter who you dont want to give credit to , ts all about how they look and how boring they are
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Oh I fornicating forgot my all time Adam Smith annoyance!
When he refers to boxing as "our sport"
When he refers to boxing as "our sport"
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Johnny Nelson absolute plum
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I'm trying to think of an example, there's been a couple I saw posted on fightnews but can't.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/other ... -bout.html
Perfect example. I knew I'd seen a couple.
Granted, US rules or whatever but they were done on the fly, not at the end.
Perfect example. I knew I'd seen a couple.
Granted, US rules or whatever but they were done on the fly, not at the end.
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MarkMcBurney
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Regardless, a knockdown isn't a deduction.orbtastic wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 07:50 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/other ... -bout.html
Perfect example. I knew I'd seen a couple.
Granted, US rules or whatever but they were done on the fly, not at the end.
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Fights that should happen, not happening, and when they do it's not
As good as it couldlve bin because the life and soul was dragged right out of it
As good as it couldlve bin because the life and soul was dragged right out of it
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Didn't say it was.MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 08:05Regardless, a knockdown isn't a deduction.orbtastic wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 07:50 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/other ... -bout.html
Perfect example. I knew I'd seen a couple.
Granted, US rules or whatever but they were done on the fly, not at the end.
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Aye it's all very low key now lol. They're wankers. The wee clique that do the boxing are arrogant wanks as well. All company men.Michael1988 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 02:50Yep. I remember the first day of Champions League fixtures that were on BT- the scores, or even any acknowledgement that games were happening, were completely absent on
Sky.
You'll see the odd interview with Smith or Nelson etc, and they actually praise other fighters but that's IFL n shít.... You'd never catch them saying that on Sky! It's a pain in the pisser!
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I have never liked when fighters say while my opponent is sleeping I am training.
Surely when they have stopped training and gone to work/sleeping etc their opponent starts training. 
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Boxers who refer to being 'Cool, calm and COLLECTIVE'.
If you're going to spew cliches at least get it right.
If you're going to spew cliches at least get it right.
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The cliche that boxers have had tough lives when in reality they've had the same sort of life as most people who don't box.
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banjo wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 15:34 Adam Smith with his over the top commentary "they don't like each other" "from the mean streets of Hyde" "teak tough" "Barrera vs Morales" "Kostya Tszyeeeewww" "Jaaaab" "There's the respect Jim" "WAR!" "Warriors" "spit and sawdust" "The famous Kronk gym" "Fighting City of Philadelphia" "Mexican Machismo" "The Great <insert name here>"
Somebody got this pudendum "The Big Book of Boxing Cliches" and he hasn't looked back since.
Apologies for the language, emotions are running high here.
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Grilling Machine
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There's the respect!
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dubliner wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 14:32and when he calls boxing "our sport, never laced up in his life...
banjo wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 15:34 Adam Smith with his over the top commentary "they don't like each other" "from the mean streets of Hyde" "teak tough" "Barrera vs Morales" "Kostya Tszyeeeewww" "Jaaaab" "There's the respect Jim" "WAR!" "Warriors" "spit and sawdust" "The famous Kronk gym" "Fighting City of Philadelphia" "Mexican Machismo" "The Great <insert name here>"
Somebody got this pudendum "The Big Book of Boxing Cliches" and he hasn't looked back since.
Apologies for the language, emotions are running high here.
The only ring he knows of are the ones he licks, the pathetic little rubber johnny