Top 5 p4p boxers ever
Top 5 p4p boxers ever
What are your top 5 p4p boxers ever, both current and old school fighters allowed.
Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
My top 6
1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Sam Langford
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Harry Greb
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Ezzard Charles
I made it 6, because to me these are the clear top 6
Edit: Though I have very little between Langford and Fitz, and any of the rest could quite easilly be swapped around. I don't think Charles really deserves to below the others.
1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Sam Langford
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Harry Greb
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Ezzard Charles
I made it 6, because to me these are the clear top 6
Edit: Though I have very little between Langford and Fitz, and any of the rest could quite easilly be swapped around. I don't think Charles really deserves to below the others.
Last edited by BitPlayer on 20 Aug 2018, 07:10, edited 3 times in total.
Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
That's really a tough to make list with all rich history of boxing, where there have been enough remarkable athletes. I'd rate the top 5 like that:
1. Roberto Duran
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Gene Tunney
5. Harry Greb
1. Roberto Duran
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Gene Tunney
5. Harry Greb
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Sequitorian
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...
... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...
... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...
... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...
... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...
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keithmoonhangover
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
So GGG is the best middleweight ever?Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...
... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...
... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...
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Sequitorian
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
GG who?keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 08:45So GGG is the best middleweight ever?Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...
... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...
... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...
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keithmoonhangover
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
GGG. You said today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks. So are you saying GGG is the best ever?Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 10:02GG who?keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 08:45So GGG is the best middleweight ever?Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...
... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...
... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...
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keithmoonhangover
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
Just out of interest, is Duran also one of your favorite boxers?
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keithmoonhangover
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
I suppose it's subjective as to what you believe encompasses the term p4p. For some it's how many weight divisions a boxer can conquer, for others it's the opposition a fighter may have faced, and for others it could be purely based entirely on the eye test. So it's all personal preference really, I suppose there isn't a decisive right or wrong answer.
Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
Yes, he is. But that's the last argument I used to place him there.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 10:13Just out of interest, is Duran also one of your favorite boxers?
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keithmoonhangover
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
You think a guy that quit against Leonard deserves to be at the top of a 5 that doesn't include Walker Smith Jnr?DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:06Yes, he is. But that's the last argument I used to place him there.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 10:13Just out of interest, is Duran also one of your favorite boxers?
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You're telling, as if it was somebody else, who had defeated prime and then undefeated Leonard a fight before. And I can also talk about Robinson's lowlights, should I?keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:25You think a guy that quit against Leonard deserves to be at the top of a 5 that doesn't include Walker Smith Jnr?DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:06Yes, he is. But that's the last argument I used to place him there.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 10:13
Just out of interest, is Duran also one of your favorite boxers?
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
You can talk about anything you want. Only Duran fans have him at #1, of which you are one.DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:30You're telling, as if it was somebody else, who had defeated prime and then undefeated Leonard a fight before. And I can also talk about Robinson's lowlights, should I?keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:25You think a guy that quit against Leonard deserves to be at the top of a 5 that doesn't include Walker Smith Jnr?
Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
As far as boxing skill goes... they're not.Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...
... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...
... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...
Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
By your logic I'm putting Duran at #1, cause I'm his fan, but suddenly I have quite a bunch of boxers, who are favoured more, than him, but somehow they're lower, so your logic seems to be not so valid.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:32You can talk about anything you want. Only Duran fans have him at #1, of which you are one.DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:30You're telling, as if it was somebody else, who had defeated prime and then undefeated Leonard a fight before. And I can also talk about Robinson's lowlights, should I?keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:25
You think a guy that quit against Leonard deserves to be at the top of a 5 that doesn't include Walker Smith Jnr?![]()
Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
Greb
SRR
Langford
Charles
Duran
SRR
Langford
Charles
Duran
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HyacinthusTurnipseed
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
When I did a top 30 a while ago I think my top 5 were:
Langford
Greb
Charles
Robinson
Duran
Armstrong a little unlucky to just miss out.
Langford
Greb
Charles
Robinson
Duran
Armstrong a little unlucky to just miss out.
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Sequitorian
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
As I wrote in the BoxRec Forum Boxing Hall of Fame thread ... any all time greatest boxing list that does not include El Grand Campeon has no credibility whatsoever ...
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elmersalsa
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
My personal list of the top 5 pound per pound boxers.
1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
The rest of the top ten:
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather Jr
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis
Of course is subjective, but with the most objective view possible. I ranked them by accomplishments, quality of opposition, division dominance, longevity and historical impact in the sport of boxing. Like someone in this thread said, "No list is accurate".
1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
The rest of the top ten:
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather Jr
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis
Of course is subjective, but with the most objective view possible. I ranked them by accomplishments, quality of opposition, division dominance, longevity and historical impact in the sport of boxing. Like someone in this thread said, "No list is accurate".
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
With all respect i guess when you put mayweather in front of ali, charles and louis on that list you made a joke, right? Please say yes!
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elmersalsa
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
Why can't he? He dominated the sport for almost 2 decades.adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 20:47 With all respect i guess when you put mayweather in front of ali, charles and louis on that list you made a joke, right? Please say yes!
Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
yeah i can't stand him but ive got floyd in the lower reaches of a top ten and manny too. legendary fighters in my view.
Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
"Ever" would have to include the future.
So it's Blitzenzip BeJabbermaster III ….Middleweight from the planet SYZonkers in the year 3535...…….(if man is still alive...if woman can...…….well......you know how it goes.
So it's Blitzenzip BeJabbermaster III ….Middleweight from the planet SYZonkers in the year 3535...…….(if man is still alive...if woman can...…….well......you know how it goes.
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Re: Top 5 p4p boxers ever
You are unaware that YOU are the joke.Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...
... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...
... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...