Wilder vs. Fury, November 2018, who wins ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 17 Aug 2018, 13:39

Supposing this fight will happen, what do you think about ? Who wins ? How ? Why do you think so ?

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 17 Aug 2018, 13:59

Wilder, Knockout within 6 rounds, Why do I think so? Because he's not a fat cokehead

Mexi-Box · Post by **Mexi-Box** » 17 Aug 2018, 14:03

If Fury comes in the same shape he did against Klitschko, Wilder is getting schooled. I'll have to see what Fury looks like against Pianata coming up.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 17 Aug 2018, 14:34

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 13:59 Wilder, Knockout within 6 rounds, Why do I think so? Because he's not a fat cokehead

Neither is Fury now.

greg · Post by **greg** » 17 Aug 2018, 14:38

..I agree, let's see how Fury does against Pianata first..

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 17 Aug 2018, 14:40

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 14:34
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 13:59 Wilder, Knockout within 6 rounds, Why do I think so? Because he's not a fat cokehead
Neither is Fury now.

Yeah so they say.

Wilder ain't just gonna come in the ring, and stare at him though. I don't think Fury is much of a threat to any of the Top Heavies honestly. He's just a big name for 'em to knock over.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 17 Aug 2018, 14:51

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 14:40
DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 14:34
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 13:59 Wilder, Knockout within 6 rounds, Why do I think so? Because he's not a fat cokehead
Neither is Fury now.
Yeah so they say.

Wilder ain't just gonna come in the ring, and stare at him though. I don't think Fury is much of a threat to any of the Top Heavies honestly. He's just a big name for 'em to knock over.

As it has already been mentioned, we gotta see Pianeta to assume such things. But anyway Klitschko fight wasn't too eventful, cause exeptionally rational Wlad wasn't able even to find the distance for his attacks. Wilder doesn't try pressure his opponents also, he doesn't constantly try to find the oppenings, which though make his right hand more elusive. His fights tend to begin intence, either tactical from both sides or with Wilder being pressured. They'll box with Fury and if Fury is fit, that won't be good for Wilder. Sure, Wilder will try to land his right from time to time, but Fury won't come out there without knowing it.

lillywhite14 · Post by **lillywhite14** » 17 Aug 2018, 14:53

Tyson will lose his head in the build up and probably during the fight, he needs his uncle Peter imo.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 17 Aug 2018, 14:58

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 14:53 Tyson will lose his head in the build up and probably during the fight, he needs his uncle Peter imo.

Well, he managed to break down under his guidance, so Peter probably isn't that handy in this question. He just was able to improve directly Tyson's game in the ring. That creates the question, if Fury manages to regain his best fighting conditions or not without Peter.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 17 Aug 2018, 17:40

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 14:51
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 14:40
DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 14:34

Neither is Fury now.
Yeah so they say.

Wilder ain't just gonna come in the ring, and stare at him though. I don't think Fury is much of a threat to any of the Top Heavies honestly. He's just a big name for 'em to knock over.
As it has already been mentioned, we gotta see Pianeta to assume such things. But anyway Klitschko fight wasn't too eventful, cause exeptionally rational Wlad wasn't able even to find the distance for his attacks. Wilder doesn't try pressure his opponents also, he doesn't constantly try to find the oppenings, which though make his right hand more elusive. His fights tend to begin intence, either tactical from both sides or with Wilder being pressured. They'll box with Fury and if Fury is fit, that won't be good for Wilder. Sure, Wilder will try to land his right from time to time, but Fury won't come out there without knowing it.

Maybe YOU need to see Pianeta to assume such things. I have no doubt that Wilder will smash Fury like the joke he is.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 17 Aug 2018, 17:49

The bottom line: Fury beats Wilder. The American only has a puncher's chance.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 17 Aug 2018, 17:55

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 17:49 The bottom line: Fury beats Wilder. The American only has a puncher's chance.

Yep.

bury_lad · Post by **bury_lad** » 17 Aug 2018, 18:02

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 17:49 The bottom line: Fury beats Wilder. The American only has a puncher's chance.

x2

pizzakid13 · Post by **pizzakid13** » 17 Aug 2018, 18:06

greg · Post by **greg** » 17 Aug 2018, 18:11

..at this point I'm not sure Fury is mentally and physically fit to take on the best, that puncher's chance can be a real threat considering Fury is not exactly renowned for his ability to absorb punishment..in addition, we don't know if that's the same Fury (considering his flirting with weight and mental issues) who decisioned Wlad 3 years ago..but hey, what do I know

Tony1244 · Post by **Tony1244** » 17 Aug 2018, 18:38

Who wins twitter?

You don't really think they're going to fight, do you?

Best Coast · Post by **Best Coast** » 17 Aug 2018, 20:43

Wilder already starting with the theatrics. He recently crashed Fury's weigh-in for the Pianeta fight and got into a shouting match with Fury's dad

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 17 Aug 2018, 21:02

greg wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 14:38 ..I agree, let's see how Fury does against Pianata first..

Fury on a hiding to nothing against Pianata. No matter how comprehensively he wins there’ll always be those with a solid argument that Pianata is , at this stage, garbage.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 17 Aug 2018, 21:25

fury looking bad could still be useful info though

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 17 Aug 2018, 21:38

jamamb wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 21:25 fury looking bad could still be useful info though

Without a doubt . If he struggles in this one everyone involved need to look at a longer term comeback plan for him.

Pianata is a good second comeback fight opponent, but the jump from him to Wilder is vast.

KiwiRider · Post by **KiwiRider** » 18 Aug 2018, 01:12

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 13:59 Wilder, Knockout within 6 rounds, Why do I think so? Because he's not a fat cokehead

Come on Gil,
You know Fury has cleaned up his act and dropped the weight

Your talking past tense, his transformation has been nothing short or incredible from what we saw 14 months back. If he can still box at the level he was at in 2015, then you have to give him a chance against Wilder

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 18 Aug 2018, 01:14

KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Aug 2018, 01:12
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 13:59 Wilder, Knockout within 6 rounds, Why do I think so? Because he's not a fat cokehead
Come on Gil,
You know Fury has cleaned up his act and dropped the weight
Your talking past tense, his transformation has been nothing short or incredible from what we saw 14 months back. If he can still box at the level he was at in 2015, then you have to give him a chance against Wilder

Even if he's EXACTLY the same fighter that fought Wlad, Wilder ain't just gonna stare at him for 12 rounds. He's f*cked.

KiwiRider · Post by **KiwiRider** » 18 Aug 2018, 01:16

gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Aug 2018, 01:14
KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Aug 2018, 01:12
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 13:59 Wilder, Knockout within 6 rounds, Why do I think so? Because he's not a fat cokehead
Come on Gil,
You know Fury has cleaned up his act and dropped the weight
Your talking past tense, his transformation has been nothing short or incredible from what we saw 14 months back. If he can still box at the level he was at in 2015, then you have to give him a chance against Wilder
Even if he's EXACTLY the same fighter that fought Wlad, Wilder ain't just gonna stare at him for 12 rounds. He's f*cked.

I sense some deep set resentment. Now, I'm not normally the hugging type...

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 18 Aug 2018, 01:20

KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Aug 2018, 01:16
gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Aug 2018, 01:14
KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Aug 2018, 01:12

Come on Gil,
You know Fury has cleaned up his act and dropped the weight
Your talking past tense, his transformation has been nothing short or incredible from what we saw 14 months back. If he can still box at the level he was at in 2015, then you have to give him a chance against Wilder
Even if he's EXACTLY the same fighter that fought Wlad, Wilder ain't just gonna stare at him for 12 rounds. He's f*cked.
I sense some deep set resentment. Now, I'm not normally the hugging type...

No resentment whatsoever. Just acknowledgment of events that have taken place.

Thomastearns · Post by **Thomastearns** » 18 Aug 2018, 04:44

If this fight happens, and it's still a big if, then Wilder stops him inside 6 rounds.

Going by the Ortiz fight, it's true that Fury is way more elusive, but it's also true that Ortiz was way more dangerous, almost too dangerous as we saw.

Fury fans might be counting on him to do to Wilder what he did to Klitschko. That's unlikely to happen. The standard Fury attempts at psychological destabilisation will have little effect on Deontay Wilder.

Although it was admirable the way both Klitschko's conducted themselves before their fights with Haye, Chisora and Fury we won't be seeing Wilder following suit. He clearly believes in fighting fire with fire rather than turning the other cheek.

Attempts to bully or intimidate Deontay Wilder outside or inside the ring could help to shorten the fight, but not in the way Fury would hope.