Well if GGG shows his age in rematch and he gets beat, would people criticize/detract him ?

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Re: Well if GGG shows his age in rematch and he gets beat, would people criticize/detract him ?

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Perseus wrote: 09 Sep 2018, 19:45 They are absolutely looking for an excuse.

This isn't the 1970's.
Athletes across the sporting spectrum are lasting longer these days.
Top fighters recording one of their personal best wins or even the very best win of their career in their mid to late 30's is not that unusual.
Sportsmen are fitter longer but there still comes a time when they grow old. Maybe that happens at 35 - 40 whereas before it was 30 - 35 but it still happens, there's no point burying your head in the sand.

Maybe no excuses will be needed. Last time out it struck me that Alvarez looked much the older man, conserving energy and fighting in bursts, unable to match Golovkin for workrate. For what it's worth it didn't care who won the first fight, I just wanted to see an epic contest. If I'm partizan now it's because I don't like injustice.
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greg wrote: 09 Sep 2018, 17:59 ..I don't think anyone has been looking for an excuse...you can't beat "father time"..some legends retired before 36, some continued to box but were hopelessly losing, few continued to be successful having lowered the level of opposition..
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Re: Well if GGG shows his age in rematch and he gets beat, would people criticize/detract him ?

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candyslim wrote: 10 Sep 2018, 02:23
Perseus wrote: 09 Sep 2018, 19:45 They are absolutely looking for an excuse.

This isn't the 1970's.
Athletes across the sporting spectrum are lasting longer these days.
Top fighters recording one of their personal best wins or even the very best win of their career in their mid to late 30's is not that unusual.
Sportsmen are fitter longer but there still comes a time when they grow old. Maybe that happens at 35 - 40 whereas before it was 30 - 35 but it still happens, there's no point burying your head in the sand.

Maybe no excuses will be needed. Last time out it struck me that Alvarez looked much the older man, conserving energy and fighting in bursts, unable to match Golovkin for workrate. For what it's worth it didn't care who won the first fight, I just wanted to see an epic contest. If I'm partizan now it's because I don't like injustice.
Yup the reality is a very few fighters did compete with success at an advanced age in this sport. (FMJ, Hopkins)
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The question I got is why the top dogs in the mw division accepted to fight Golovkin after this guy was 33+ y/o ? Imagine if Golovkin only had one belt ? No one would care about him.
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Re: Well if GGG shows his age in rematch and he gets beat, would people criticize/detract him ?

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Sergey Kovalev and GGG once enjoyed sharing a common fanbase, though the Kazakh was always a slightly bigger name than the Russian.

When the Krusher got stopped for the second time of his career against Eleider Alvarez, then everything went quiet. A lot of his former supporters refrained from expressing their thoughts on Kovalev’s third career loss and nor did they show any support for their fallen former “hero”.

A lot of mainstream casual fight fans are fickle in nature, which means their opinions often flip-flop, depending on the direction of the tide of the common thoughts conveyed by the Lemming-like masses.

If the Mexican somehow defies the betting odds and manages to tame the beast, by scoring a comprehensive victory over GGG, then I expect a lot of mainstream casuals to either remain silent or question the authenticity of Golovkin’s legacy.

I don’t want fight fans to feel this way, because Gennady’s enjoyed a tremendous career to-date, but that’s what I think will happen if the fictional scenario I described becomes a reality, because the likelihood of the same set of people reacting precisely same way to very similar circumstances is very great indeed.
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gggs badly struggled with the only 2 top mws hes faced in his entire career

hes lucky to have gotten canelo fights at all considering he easily couldve lost the decision to jacobs

ggg has those dj judges to thank for the 30-40 million hell prob end up making btwn the canelo fights
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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Sep 2018, 10:16 Sergey Kovalev and GGG once enjoyed sharing a common fanbase, though the Kazakh was always a slightly bigger name than the Russian.

When the Krusher got stopped for the second time of his career against Eleider Alvarez, then everything went quiet. A lot of his former supporters refrained from expressing their thoughts on Kovalev’s third career loss and nor did they show any support for their fallen former “hero”.

A lot of mainstream casual fight fans are fickle in nature, which means their opinions often flip-flop, depending on the direction of the tide of the common thoughts conveyed by the Lemming-like masses.

If the Mexican somehow defies the betting odds and manages to tame the beast, by scoring a comprehensive victory over GGG, then I expect a lot of mainstream casuals to either remain silent or question the authenticity of Golovkin’s legacy.

I don’t want fight fans to feel this way, because Gennady’s enjoyed a tremendous career to-date, but that’s what I think will happen if the fictional scenario I described becomes a reality, because the likelihood of the same set of people reacting precisely same way to very similar circumstances is very great indeed.
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jamamb wrote: 10 Sep 2018, 10:53 gggs badly struggled with the only 2 top mws hes faced in his entire career

hes lucky to have gotten canelo fights at all considering he easily couldve lost the decision to jacobs

ggg has those dj judges to thank for the 30-40 million hell prob end up making btwn the canelo fights
LHW Jacobs and clen-gingerboy could not beat the old champion, PERIOD! :OhYes:

Deal with it son! :wave:
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jamamb wrote: 10 Sep 2018, 10:53 gggs badly struggled with the only 2 top mws hes faced in his entire career

hes lucky to have gotten canelo fights at all considering he easily couldve lost the decision to jacobs

ggg has those dj judges to thank for the 30-40 million hell prob end up making btwn the canelo fights
Behave.

Who's more 'deserving' as you disrespectfully put it?

Golovkin?
Khan?
Liam Smith?

Complete nonsense.
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Re: Well if GGG shows his age in rematch and he gets beat, would people criticize/detract him ?

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The Jacobs fight was close but it was hardly a robbery was it? Debatable? Maybe. Controversial? Perhaps to some,
A blatant injustice? No way.

Unlike an official draw I seem to recall.
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Re: Well if GGG shows his age in rematch and he gets beat, would people criticize/detract him ?

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apollo creed wrote: 09 Sep 2018, 09:14 What people forget is that Canelo is in his peak of his prime at 28 and Golovkin is past of his prime at 36. :TU:
36 seldom beat 28 at the world class level, but GGG is not your typical champion.

Just a hunch, Canelo will looks smaller and weaker this time around, off the PED's ,and GGG will stop him later.
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Re: Well if GGG shows his age in rematch and he gets beat, would people criticize/detract him ?

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apollo creed wrote: 09 Sep 2018, 09:14 What people forget is that Canelo is in his peak of his prime at 28 and Golovkin is past of his prime at 36. :TU:
..true, the way that first fight was unfolding though, you couldn't help feeling it was GGG who was 28 and Canelo being 36..
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greg wrote: 11 Sep 2018, 13:24
apollo creed wrote: 09 Sep 2018, 09:14 What people forget is that Canelo is in his peak of his prime at 28 and Golovkin is past of his prime at 36. :TU:
..true, the way that first fight was unfolding though, you couldn't help feeling it was GGG who was 28 and Canelo being 36..
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So people already bash GGG on forums. What a bunch of double standard loosers! :doh: At nearly 37 y/o GGG still looked top level against a 28 y/o Canelo! Loosing a close fight against a much younger fighter it ain't no shame!
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No it isn't but why are you quoting Greg as an example of GGG bashing? He was making the point with which I wholeheartedly agree that in the first fight it was GGG looked the younger man. This time Canelo's stamina seemed much improved.
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Re: Well if GGG shows his age in rematch and he gets beat, would people criticize/detract him ?

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jamamb wrote: 10 Sep 2018, 10:53 gggs badly struggled with the only 2 top mws hes faced in his entire career

hes lucky to have gotten canelo fights at all considering he easily couldve lost the decision to jacobs

ggg has those dj judges to thank for the 30-40 million hell prob end up making btwn the canelo fights
interesting point! but i think all 3 were debatable close calls.
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