Here it is, Ortiz vs. Wilder, ROUND EIGHT!

[bigman1968]

Saw this at yotube at March -

And also this - months ago

What the big conspiracy???
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From where are you?Russia? Kazakhstan?Belarus?






"This video contains contents from CBS events which has blocked it in your country on copywrite grounds". Both of them. "

[tiny_acres]

Saw this at yotube at March -

And also this - months ago

What the big conspiracy???
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From where are you?Russia? Kazakhstan?Belarus?






"This video contains contents from CBS events which has blocked it in your country on copywrite grounds". Both of them. "

Try downloading an episode of walking dead to youtube. Crap is taken down also.
The channel owns the rights they do not have to allow sharing unless with written consent.
It's fuggin normal. No conspiracy

[Ilya Muromets]

Excerpts from the fight all over the place - round 7, round 10 - especially round 10 - but not round 8. They've got no "copywrite" problems with all the other rounds, do they?

[tiny_acres]

Excerpts from the fight all over the place - round 7, round 10 - especially round 10 - but not round 8. They've got no "copywrite" problems with all the other rounds, do they?

There is no arguing with conspiracy theorists.
Yes Deontay Wilder is more powerful than George Soros

[Ilya Muromets]

Forget it. I deleted my post. Just nonsense on here. No rational debate. No wonder the boxing bosses always get away with all the crap they do.

[tiny_acres]

Excerpts from the fight all over the place - round 7, round 10 - especially round 10 - but not round 8. They've got no "copywrite" problems with all the other rounds, do they?

There is no arguing with conspiracy theorists.
Yes Deontay Wilder is more powerful than George Soros

Do you ever have anything sensible to say? Anything to evade the point. They come on here with one liners and then when i refute them in no unmistakeable ways - like when they kept trying to say it all happened in between rounds - then they just leave, or else post stupid nonsense like this one. You don't get any rational debate on here. You never see anyone say, Yeah I've got to admit you're right about this or that.

I guess they just prefer to have threads about who they think can beat up who on here. No wonder the boxing bosses get away with all the crap they do.

I haven't left, I never said it happened between rounds.
But to think that Wilder or his people have the power to remove the video from the internet is insane.
It is copyrighted material and is stated as such.

[Ilya Muromets]

There is no arguing with conspiracy theorists.
Yes Deontay Wilder is more powerful than George Soros

Do you ever have anything sensible to say? Anything to evade the point. They come on here with one liners and then when i refute them in no unmistakeable ways - like when they kept trying to say it all happened in between rounds - then they just leave, or else post stupid nonsense like this one. You don't get any rational debate on here. You never see anyone say, Yeah I've got to admit you're right about this or that.

I guess they just prefer to have threads about who they think can beat up who on here. No wonder the boxing bosses get away with all the crap they do.

I haven't left, I never said it happened between rounds.
But to think that Wilder or his people have the power to remove the video from the internet is insane.
It is copyrighted material and is stated as such.

Too late... he quoted me... First off Wilder himself has about nothing to do with it. Clearly though he's got a lot of big money backers that have been pulling a lot of strings, all along. Culling certain embarrassing boxing vids is really nothing new. One of the things that Luis Ortiz did say was someone with deep pockets signalled the referee to stop round eight. That's what i want to know too - and that's what they should be investigating - who signalled the ref and who told the ring doctor, if that's what he really was, to do what he did?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Forget it. I deleted my post. Just nonsense on here. No rational debate. No wonder the boxing bosses always get away with all the crap they do.

It’s been debated though.

Also nothing we say on here will change the ‘boxing bosses’ minds. It’s happened. Just like a lot of things. It’s in the past. This forum had a meltdown over Ward-Kovalev. Didn’t change the result. Everything calmed down here eventually. No one will argue what you think. Your opinion will always matter to you, just like someone elses will matter to them. Don’t let this get to you mate.

[adislav123]

And what did they check him for? His temperature? He wasn't cut ffs! To take a look if he's clear eyed, ready & able to defend himself could have been done during the damn break on his stool, would've taken 5 seconds while they fix him up but no, rhe ref sends ortiz to the neutral corner&... i'm over it, i don't give a shit but bullshit is bullshit and wilder and his gang are the quintessential bullshit artists. So keep bringing it up & calling em out!

[ldlamb]

I think a bunch of these conspiracy posters are really the same guy.

[jamamb]

the conspiracy guys seem to be soviet huggers too, even here wilder is the bad american guy

lol imagine them moaning over, lets say, an african american boxer getting 'robbed' vs a russian

not gonna happen

[adislav123]

This is the state regulation of NY.

§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless otherwise directed or authorized by the commission. The referee, at the request of the ringside physician, may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/pdfs/20 ... awbook.pdf

You clearly don't get what your own pasted citation means,

i won't borher to explain it to you. It's not that hard to understand.

Just as a hint: "...BETWEEN rounds...(meant is the regular break)"; "...may EXTEND, IF NECESSARY TO EXAMINE...!"

Now you guys will say, that i'm the one not getting it, it's fine. I'm just one hundred percent positive that i do get it, cause there's really just a tiny little chance of misinterpreting it at all, and one has to be pretty pretty pretty simple minded for that. i'm not very smart but just reasonable enough to let this opportunity slide. You do grab it with both hands.

[tiny_acres]

This is the state regulation of NY.

§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless otherwise directed or authorized by the commission. The referee, at the request of the ringside physician, may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/pdfs/20 ... awbook.pdf

You clearly don't get what your own pasted citation means,

i won't borher to explain it to you. It's not that hard to understand.

Just as a hint: "...BETWEEN rounds...(meant is the regular break)"; "...may EXTEND, IF NECESSARY TO EXAMINE...!"

Now you guys will say, that i'm the one not getting it, it's fine. I'm just one hundred percent positive that i do get it, cause there's really just a tiny little chance of misinterpreting it at all, and one has to be pretty pretty pretty simple minded for that. i'm not very smart but just reasonable enough to let this opportunity slide. You do grab it with both hands.

[adislav123]

the conspiracy guys seem to be soviet huggers too, even here wilder is the bad american guy

lol imagine them moaning over, lets say, an african american boxer getting 'robbed' vs a russian

not gonna happen

Soviet huggerscause ortiz is cuban!right? Wilder is not that bad a guy, man! Just a pretty bad boxer, who got served handpicked even worse fighters, with barely any chance of beating him until he stepped up & got lucky in an corrupted affair against ortiz.

The second part of your statement...

[Ilya Muromets]

the conspiracy guys seem to be soviet huggers too, even here wilder is the bad american guy

lol imagine them moaning over, lets say, an african american boxer getting 'robbed' vs a russian

not gonna happen

"Soviet huggers"?

These lambs - Idlamb/Jalamb - what is this, a farm? - aren't very bright. There hasn't been a Soviet Russia since 1991!

[Ilya Muromets]

This is the state regulation of NY.

§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless otherwise directed or authorized by the commission. The referee, at the request of the ringside physician, may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/pdfs/20 ... awbook.pdf

You clearly don't get what your own pasted citation means,

i won't borher to explain it to you. It's not that hard to understand.

Just as a hint: "...BETWEEN rounds...(meant is the regular break)"; "...may EXTEND, IF NECESSARY TO EXAMINE...!"

Now you guys will say, that i'm the one not getting it, it's fine. I'm just one hundred percent positive that i do get it, cause there's really just a tiny little chance of misinterpreting it at all, and one has to be pretty pretty pretty simple minded for that. i'm not very smart but just reasonable enough to let this opportunity slide. You do grab it with both hands.

I tried to explain it to the lambs as simply as i could, but they either didn't read what i wrote, or couldn't read what i wrote, or just ignored it and went on with their nonsense.

[Ilya Muromets]

Here i will repost my explanation for the benefit of those who are not sheep and lambs. The most important point is that the bell to start round two had already rung before the ref and ring doctor did their thing.

They didn't interrupt the round, but yeah no matter what, it was shady as poo and wilder hanging on for dear life, couldn't believe his luck, accidently actually catching ortiz, then loosing his poo COMPLETELY, expiriencing a hysterical seizure, banging maniacally away on ortiz, with clearly illegal punches is... at least funny. Ortiz is still pissed that he allowed himself to get carried away aiming for the fences, instead of measuring up the spastic jumping jack & putting him away with more purposefully targeted punches.

Yes they did interrupt round 8. The bell had already rung to start the round. Watch the vid again. That's what this controversy is about. Had they just extended the between round rest time for Wilder under the pretense of having the doctor examine him sure that would have been shady as hell but it wouldn't be the first time they've done that. To my knowledge this is the first time they've done this. With this precedent what stops them from interrupting any fight when the favored fighter is in trouble under the pretense of having the doctor examine him to make sure he's okay?

As for Ortiz not complaining, or the nonsense about him saying stopping the round was good for him, yes he and his corner did complain, and at other times he just sounded fatalistic. He knows what runs boxing. He's been around the block.

A lot of these boxing fans are just irrational. No wonder they so easily get away with the"poo" they do.

[Thomastearns]

I'm somebody who's watching it for the first time now, because of this thread. Yeah, that was a gifted bit of recovery time. I tend to doubt there's been a massive coverup about it though. Showtime seems to do a lot more than HBO to limit the online availability of fight footage generally. Which is also why I hadn't seen this clip before, and why it's not hard to imagine the video disappearing from this thread.

As far as i know this is the only place online that you can see round 8. They have deliberately scoured it off the internet.
Split seconds are critical in a situation like that. Between the time the round 8 bell sounded and the two actually engaged at least 20 seconds passed while the ref and ring doctor did their shenanigans. I am really baffled why the boxing fans here are so willing to accept this.

No need to be baffled. Only the fans of the loser and a few neutrals seem to be bothered, but nobody wants to stay pissed off forever? We're here mainly for the entertainment, we're not activists.

Boxing has always been like this since it's seedy beginnings, and there's still too much money and too many vested interests keeping it that way. Reforms come as regularly as sightings of the Loch Ness Monster.

[littlepug]

Its a non story, if your being shocked or offended by the latest goings on in the sport then I would suggest that you haven't been following it for long enough, after a while you get a sense for the real injustices and even then its not that shocking if you understand what kind of sport it is that you are following and of the kind of people that inhabit such a sport (its a little rough round the edges !). I will leave you with this memory of mine, when I was younger I would watch all the sky shows, british title fights on every week from some obscure leisure centre somewhere, the pundits would be in the shiny studio all dressed up with a window that looked out on to the ring behind them, it all looked very impressive, now I cant remember who was fighting but I attended a british title fight covered by sky in a leisure centre and noticed behind one row of seating some scaffolding that stretched up a fair height, on top of the scaffolding sat a table within a fake studio with all the pundits sat round all suited up doing their previews of the fight ! I was a little deflated seeing the cheapness of it all but had a great night nonetheless, suppose you gotta take the rough with the smooth in this game.

[Ilya Muromets]

Good points, fellers. Sometimes I get carried away and have temporary insanity attacks and think things like boxing (and real life - or what passes for real life on the TV news - is real). I need to calm down and just take it for what it is, an idle and mindless way to kill time, and then go on do even more of the same by chatting about it on places like this. I dunno maybe part of my problem is I actually used to do it, and it seemed kind of real to me then, but I was young and foolish then... I guess Mick Foley, the wrestler, was right when he wrote his book The Real World Is Faker Than Wrestling...or are the native Australian Australoids (or whatever it is the politically correct way to call them now) right when they say that the dreamtime is real and when we think we're awake that's just a dream... "Is all that we see or seem just a dream within a dream?" (Edgar Allen Poe). Anyway, I'll try not to take pro boxing seriously anymore. They certainly are showing me the way with stuff like Wilder and Fury's "pressers". How seriously can you take amusement park carney shows like that? Unless you're an idiot. Duh you rang?

[littlepug]

Good points, fellers. Sometimes I get carried away and have temporary insanity attacks and think things like boxing (and real life - or what passes for real life on the TV news - is real). I need to calm down and just take it for what it is, an idle and mindless way to kill time, and then go on do even more of the same by chatting about it on places like this. I dunno maybe part of my problem is I actually used to do it, and it seemed kind of real to me then, but I was young and foolish then... I guess Mick Foley, the wrestler, was right when he wrote his book The Real World Is Faker Than Wrestling...or are the native Australian Australoids (or whatever it is the politically correct way to call them now) right when they say that the dreamtime is real and when we think we're awake that's just a dream... "Is all that we see or seem just a dream within a dream?" (Edgar Allen Poe). Anyway, I'll try not to take pro boxing seriously anymore. They certainly are showing me the way with stuff like Wilder and Fury's "pressers". How seriously can you take amusement park carney shows like that? Unless you're an idiot. Duh you rang?

Well if you boxed you probably experienced first hand a few injustices yourself, i certainly did, they say boxing mirrors life and i think they are right, for all the good stuff theres a bit of bad waiting just round the corner for ya !

[Ilya Muromets]

Good points, fellers. Sometimes I get carried away and have temporary insanity attacks and think things like boxing (and real life - or what passes for real life on the TV news - is real). I need to calm down and just take it for what it is, an idle and mindless way to kill time, and then go on do even more of the same by chatting about it on places like this. I dunno maybe part of my problem is I actually used to do it, and it seemed kind of real to me then, but I was young and foolish then... I guess Mick Foley, the wrestler, was right when he wrote his book The Real World Is Faker Than Wrestling...or are the native Australian Australoids (or whatever it is the politically correct way to call them now) right when they say that the dreamtime is real and when we think we're awake that's just a dream... "Is all that we see or seem just a dream within a dream?" (Edgar Allen Poe). Anyway, I'll try not to take pro boxing seriously anymore. They certainly are showing me the way with stuff like Wilder and Fury's "pressers". How seriously can you take amusement park carney shows like that? Unless you're an idiot. Duh you rang?

Well if you boxed you probably experienced first hand a few injustices yourself, i certainly did, they say boxing mirrors life and i think they are right, for all the good stuff theres a bit of bad waiting just round the corner for ya !

Yeah, but when unjust things happen to us we just kind of expect it and roll with the punches, right? But when I look at something unfair happening to someone else I see it more calmly and objectively and it upsets me more. Weird. It's a weakness of mine. Empathy.

[adislav123]

Empathy is what makes us humans deserving to be alive, most of our species and surely not the ones who pretend responsibility over the masses, don't posess that treat. Look in the politics/company world, where banks are saved with trillions of dollars while still newborn children are starving by the thousands in the third world.

If anything boxing mirrors that strain of society, where only the profit counts and next to nothing else but how should it not, it's a business.

[Boxerbeetle]

Yeah no doubt the home fighter got favoured. It was annoying when watching it live as it was so obvious what was happening, but I’m sure we’re all used to things like this by now.

When I was younger, all the regular controversies and obvious corruption in boxing used to really upset me, would properly ruin my week. These days I’m old and jaded and don’t give a sh!t.

[Ilya Muromets]

Empathy is what makes us humans deserving to be alive, most of our species and surely not the ones who pretend responsibility over the masses, don't posess that treat. Look in the politics/company world, where banks are saved with trillions of dollars while still newborn children are starving by the thousands in the third world.

If anything boxing mirrors that strain of society, where only the profit counts and next to nothing else but how should it not, it's a business.

Yeah...

And Boxerbeetle, I'll try to adopt a more proper attitude to boxing in the future, like you. It's not yet 99% pre-scripted, like "sports entertainment" wrestling is, quite yet, but it's halfway there already. When will they order them to start calling it "sports entertainment" instead of a "sport", like they did to the wrestling business? How many more of these silly things and silly judge decisions will it take? Will it take folding chairs in the ring?