Calm down Empty One. You are just mad that GGG has some quality wins on his resume. And I mean top notch high level calibre of opponents in their primes like Canelo and Jacobs. Also according with boxrec rankings Proksa was ranked no 10 in 2012, Macklin no 6 and Stevens no 10 in 2013, Geale no 4 and Murray no 6 in 2014, Lemieux IBF champ no 4 in 2015, Daniel Jacobs WBA reg champ no 2 in 2017 and Canelo was the mw lineal champion!
Deal with it old fart!
You have totally failed to provide a valid argument that supports the notion of GGG having a better resume than Hopkins and nor have you supplied anything that provides any possible justification for Golovkin’s alleged “all-time-great” credentials.
And why the fûck are you mentioning BoxRec rankings anyway, they recently rated Jeff Horn amongst the pound-for-pound elite (he was recently ranked 9th)? And Luis Nery is currently rated amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders, above the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Mikey Garcia and Errol Spence Jr. Naoya Inoue is only rated 25th! FFS!
Deal with that old fart!
So we're all agreed golovkin has a better middle resume than the midget fighting Hopkins
Nope! And you're clearly unable to substantiate your own claims, you are also unable to respond to my questions and nor can you disprove any of the facts I've supplied.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 12:54
You have totally failed to provide a valid argument that supports the notion of GGG having a better resume than Hopkins and nor have you supplied anything that provides any possible justification for Golovkin’s alleged “all-time-great” credentials.
And why the fûck are you mentioning BoxRec rankings anyway, they recently rated Jeff Horn amongst the pound-for-pound elite (he was recently ranked 9th)? And Luis Nery is currently rated amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders, above the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Mikey Garcia and Errol Spence Jr. Naoya Inoue is only rated 25th! FFS!
Deal with that old fart!
So we're all agreed golovkin has a better middle resume than the midget fighting Hopkins
Nope! And you're clearly unable to substantiate your own claims, you are also unable to respond to my questions and nor can you disprove any of the facts I've supplied.
It's too easy sometimes!
You haven't answered my question that I asked first name one great middle weight that Hopkins beat? It's a real simple question
Calm down Empty One. You are just mad that GGG has some quality wins on his resume. And I mean top notch high level calibre of opponents in their primes like Canelo and Jacobs. Also according with boxrec rankings Proksa was ranked no 10 in 2012, Macklin no 6 and Stevens no 10 in 2013, Geale no 4 and Murray no 6 in 2014, Lemieux IBF champ no 4 in 2015, Daniel Jacobs WBA reg champ no 2 in 2017 and Canelo was the mw lineal champion!
Deal with it old fart!
You have totally failed to provide a valid argument that supports the notion of GGG having a better resume than Hopkins and nor have you supplied anything that provides any possible justification for Golovkin’s alleged “all-time-great” credentials.
And why the fûck are you mentioning BoxRec rankings anyway, they recently rated Jeff Horn amongst the pound-for-pound elite (he was recently ranked 9th)? And Luis Nery is currently rated amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders, above the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Mikey Garcia and Errol Spence Jr. Naoya Inoue is only rated 25th! FFS!
Deal with that old fart!
So we're all agreed golovkin has a better middle resume than the midget fighting Hopkins
So we're all agreed golovkin has a better middle resume than the midget fighting Hopkins
Nope! And you're clearly unable to substantiate your own claims, you are also unable to respond to my questions and nor can you disprove any of the facts I've supplied.
It's too easy sometimes!
You haven't answered my question that I asked first name one great middle weight that Hopkins beat? It's a real simple question
Empty One is clueless. He's probably searching some ranking references about Mercado, Joppy or Glen Johnson.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 13:06
Nope! And you're clearly unable to substantiate your own claims, you are also unable to respond to my questions and nor can you disprove any of the facts I've supplied.
It's too easy sometimes!
You haven't answered my question that I asked first name one great middle weight that Hopkins beat? It's a real simple question
Empty One is clueless. He's probably searching some ranking references about Mercado, Joppy or Glen Johnson.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 11:11
How many times has Tom Loeffler submitted financial offers to GGG’s rivals, which were subsequently turned down? This is a myth that many people wholeheartedly believe in, but is very challenging to substantiate with evidence.
Why are people granting Gennady Golovkin an honorary rite of passage to “all-time-greatness” based on worldtitle victories overthe likes of?
• Dominic Wade
• Willie Monroe Jr.
• Osumanu Adama
• Marco Antonio Rubio
• Curtis Stevens
• Nobuhiro Ishida
• Gabriel Rosado
• Grzegorz Proksa
• Makoto Fuchigami
• Lajuan Simon
• Kassim Ouma
• Kell Brook
• Vanes Martirosyan
• Nilson Julio Tapia
• Milton Nunez
Nearly every single one of these guys were not considered top-ten middleweights (based on ESPN’s and The RING’s divisional rankings) prior to their bouts against Gennady Golovkin and the vast majority of them were former welterweights/light middleweights.
Calm down Empty One. You are just mad that GGG has some quality wins on his resume. And I mean top notch high level calibre of opponents in their primes like Canelo and Jacobs. Also according with boxrec rankings Proksa was ranked no 10 in 2012, Macklin no 6 and Stevens no 10 in 2013, Geale no 4 and Murray no 6 in 2014, Lemieux IBF champ no 4 in 2015, Daniel Jacobs WBA reg champ no 2 in 2017 and Canelo was the mw lineal champion!
Deal with it old fart!
You have totally failed to provide a valid argument that supports the notion of GGG having a better resume than Hopkins and nor have you supplied anything that provides any possible justification for Golovkin’s alleged “all-time-great” credentials.
And why the fûck are you mentioning BoxRec rankings anyway, they recently rated Jeff Horn amongst the pound-for-pound elite (he was recently ranked 9th)? And Luis Nery is currently rated amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders, above the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Mikey Garcia and Errol Spence Jr. Naoya Inoue is only rated 25th! FFS!
And just a gentle reminder, Golovkin didn’t actually beat Canelo.
Deal with that old fart!
According with boxrec rankings Proksa was ranked no 10 in 2012, Macklin no 6 and Stevens no 10 in 2013, Geale no 4 and Murray no 6 in 2014, Lemieux IBF champ no 4 in 2015, Daniel Jacobs WBA reg champ no 2 in 2017 and Canelo was the mw lineal champion!
This is a irrefutable / a solid valid argument / an undeniable factual fact that your damaged senile brain can't accept it.
Now please fycking provide me an answer at this question: What top notch 160 lbs pounders has Hopkins beaten(of course at that time) compared with GGG's Jacobs, Canelo and yes Lemieux wins ????? Let's hear it mr old senile fart!!
if were looking for a soviet stud of the moment, then usyk and loma already have better wins 10 less years pro and 25 less fights
i am just really not impressed by beating a bunch of b-c level opponents. its the big ones that matter and ggg couldnt beat canelo and just squeaked by jacobs in a fight he easily couldve lost
GGG did beat Canelo, twice, except on the scorecards of the Las Vegas mafia employees impersonating judges. And are you going on about the "Soviet Union" again? There hasn't been a Soviet Union since 1990. And all those so called greats of the past were just American media hype jobs fighting other American media hype jobs. Pro boxing was pretty much a private USA-UK club back then. Now it is international. So the answer is yes, GGG is an all time great.
"The general public says Golovkin beat Canelo in both fights"
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 08:39
5 of those fights were above 160.
6 actually
And if he'd have mentioned Kelly Pavlik, which is one of his most impressive wins, it would be 7.
AND Jermain Taylor is on that list. Hopkins lost twice to him.
Hopkins is a better fighter than GGG but that list is very flawed.
Nah, it's 5. Pavlik wasn't at middle either. I assume you're erroneously counting winky?Hopkins tends to be overrated at 60. Including by me. Tito was considered p4p#1 by many when he fought him. That Trump's any GGG win.
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If Hopkins is, then Golovkin is too. Hopkins' middleweight resume isn't much better, while he probably wasn't even better as a boxer, cause he adopted successful spoiling tactics, which actually dealt a lot with semi-legal things, so to speak. Golovkin is more one-dimensional though, however, his fundamentals seem to be more polished.
GGG has two good results with Canelo, he won the first fight IMO. I thought Hopkins beat Taylor twice, definitely in the rematch. Golovkin is a great fighter, the question was is he top 10 ever at 60.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 14:50
GGG has two good results with Canelo, he won the first fight IMO. I thought Hopkins beat Taylor twice, definitely in the rematch. Golovkin is a great fighter, the question was is he top 10 ever at 60.
Btw yeah. Golovkin did enough for the win in both Canelo fights. If he won them on paper too, he would definitely been better, than Hopkins. Hopkins himself knew that, that's why he was happy as fukk after GGG's "losses".
Calm down Empty One. You are just mad that GGG has some quality wins on his resume. And I mean top notch high level calibre of opponents in their primes like Canelo and Jacobs. Also according with boxrec rankings Proksa was ranked no 10 in 2012, Macklin no 6 and Stevens no 10 in 2013, Geale no 4 and Murray no 6 in 2014, Lemieux IBF champ no 4 in 2015, Daniel Jacobs WBA reg champ no 2 in 2017 and Canelo was the mw lineal champion!
Deal with it old fart!
You have totally failed to provide a valid argument that supports the notion of GGG having a better resume than Hopkins and nor have you supplied anything that provides any possible justification for Golovkin’s alleged “all-time-great” credentials.
And why the fûck are you mentioning BoxRec rankings anyway, they recently rated Jeff Horn amongst the pound-for-pound elite (he was recently ranked 9th)? And Luis Nery is currently rated amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders, above the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Mikey Garcia and Errol Spence Jr. Naoya Inoue is only rated 25th! FFS!
And just a gentle reminder, Golovkin didn’t actually beat Canelo.
Deal with that old fart!
According with boxrec rankings Proksa was ranked no 10 in 2012, Macklin no 6 and Stevens no 10 in 2013, Geale no 4 and Murray no 6 in 2014, Lemieux IBF champ no 4 in 2015, Daniel Jacobs WBA reg champ no 2 in 2017 and Canelo was the mw lineal champion!
This is a irrefutable / a solid valid argument / an undeniable factual fact that your damaged senile brain can't accept it.
Now please fycking provide me an answer at this question: What top notch 160 lbs pounders has Hopkins beaten(of course at that time) compared with GGG's Jacobs, Canelo and yes Lemieux wins ????? Let's hear it mr old senile fart!!
Now!!!!
Good post. His biased mind may come around as he deals in literal things like figures. Maybe let’s give him a couple years to deal with it and he may grow to like or even love Golovkin.
Tito would have massacred lemieux. Might have beaten all of them. Great fighters at their peak are great. Watch him mutilate joppy and factor in he was favored against Hopkins. Great middleweight resume, not at all. But removing credit for that is like saying if fielding beat canelo he would have no wins over a great super middleweight or saying Whitaker and Floyd weren't great at 140. Highly flawed, I would say logic if it wasn't eo, fergusing. Tito was p4p #1 on a lot of rankings.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 17:44
Tito would have massacred lemieux. Might have beaten all of them. Great fighters at their peak are great. Watch him mutilate joppy and factor in he was favored against Hopkins. Great middleweight resume, not at all. But removing credit for that is like saying if fielding beat canelo he would have no wins over a great super middleweight or saying Whitaker and Floyd weren't great at 140. Highly flawed, I would say logic if it wasn't eo, fergusing. Tito was p4p #1 on a lot of rankings.
Agree. Tito’s a very good fighter to great fighter, a handful for anyone around that weight including middleweight.
hops mw resume wasnt filled with standout names but its still better then gggs
its true that its the stuff hop did above mw that really makes him stand out as a true atg at least a few levels above golovkin career wise. but his mw run was still also better then gggs, though not by as much as the overall career. ppl may forget now, but like i said, even putting tito aside, a guy like keith holmes was defo better then at least everyone ggg beat aside from many jacobs , he mayve actually been better then dj too. a guy like howard eastman even may be 'lol';d at by newer fans but i bet you hed have beaten lemieux or macklin
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Oct 2018, 08:39
5 of those fights were above 160.
6 actually
And if he'd have mentioned Kelly Pavlik, which is one of his most impressive wins, it would be 7.
AND Jermain Taylor is on that list. Hopkins lost twice to him.
Hopkins is a better fighter than GGG but that list is very flawed.
Nah, it's 5. Pavlik wasn't at middle either. I assume you're erroneously counting winky?Hopkins tends to be overrated at 60. Including by me. Tito was considered p4p#1 by many when he fought him. That Trump's any GGG win.
I am referring to Winky, who fought Hops at over 160 despite being a LMW
Totally agree and watching him school fighters like tarver and pavlik when he already should have been over the hill proved how great he was at 60 but doesn't factor into that resume. Holmes, joppy, Eastman, Allen, echols were all better than lemieux , Macklin or geale IMO at the time of those fights. Not saying they weren't on comparable levels, they were. I'm a big GGG fan, but him and the Tito that Hopkins absolutely tooled would have been an epic war.
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