Alexander Povetkin's resume vs Dereck Chisora's resume (both fighting against opponents in each other's resumes)

[dagilechia]

Yes You are right.

[Ilya Muromets]

Lol, rahman was crippled in that fight. Not that it changes how absurd comparing chisora to povetkin is, but rock was completely shot and on one leg. I'm surprised so many think pulev would trouble povetkin. Also surprised to read that po etkin would fight anyone after he ducked wlad for years.

I will admit. He drug his feet going after Wlad. He passed up 2 mandatory shots with his management saying he wasn't ready yet.
Good memory on that it's been a while since Povetkin was that young guy needing more experience

He also had help with the massive hypocrite Atlas for a couple fights. Wouldn't surprise me if povetkin was willing and teddy steered him away for a couple paydays. Total scumbag. Pretty sure povetkin also tripped on a tree root and pulled out of a scheduled bout with wlad

I was upset when Povetkin signed up with the New York City television psycho Atlas. I wrote him off at that point. And Atlas was sabotaging his career. It was Atlas that turned down a fight with Wlad. in 2010.

[Onetimeonly]

I bet you were . Might have even taken down one of the hundred portion posters in your bedroom.

[Luis Fernando12]

Chagaev, Wach, Rahman, Boswell and many many others, what's the best guy Chisora has ever beaten?

A shot Chagaev who was stopped by Wladimir Klitschko before and then brutally stopped by Lucas Browne? No thanks! Beating such an opponent like Chagaev isn't impressive!

Wach? You mean the guy who was beaten from pillar to post by Wladimir Klitschko and then stopped by Jarrell Miller later on. Again, no thanks! What has Wach ever done in his career that makes him such an impressive opponent to beat?

Rahman? You mean a totally shot to bits Rahman, that never should've even been in the ring? Pretty pathetic, if you're going to list names like that to make someone's resume / record look impressive.

Boswell? You mean a 40 year old, shot Boswell who was schooling Povetkin in the early rounds with a simple jab, until his legs and stamina was gone in the later rounds due to his old age? That wouldn't be a fight I'd use to make Povetkin look impressive, because that fight actually exposed Povetkin where Povetkin looked extremely clumsy.

Chisora has just stopped Takam. Povetkin's best knockout win in years. Other than that, Chisora hasn't wasted his time with scrubs that Povetkin has fought. Instead, he went straight to the deep end, fighting elite opponent after elite opponent like Vitali Klitshcko, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and Tyson Fury twice. That is, despite having fewer fights. Whilst Povetkin on the other hand, despite having more fights, has only fought two elite opponents in Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua. Losing to both! Therefore, both are roughly on the same level. Since both have been failures at the ABSOLUTE very top. Low level heavyweights like Rahman, Boswell and Wach aren't relevant. Chisora would do a number on all of them too. Just like how he did a number on Takam, who looked helpless against Chisora and was stopped 2 rounds quicker.

Chagaev in his prime is a whole different thing then Chagaev 5 years later. If you disagree, then don't cry if AJ KO's Ortiz in 1 round in 2023 saying that Ortiz used to be better in 2018.
Wach has never been KOed by anyone, he was standing, the crowd, everybody, even Miller was highly surprised the ref stopped the fight because Wach wasn't even wobbling.
The Klitschko's were all time greats in boxing history, especially at the time, you can't compare that to Chisora lol.
Rahman wasn't 40 and he has been KOed by Povetkin faster then he has ever been in his entire carreer, Rahman who won against Lennox Lewis for example, you can't compare that to Chisora lol.
Boswell was 63-70 behind on most scorecards in the 7th round lol, till he got KOed in the 8th round, Boswell was 35-1 at the moment he fought Povetkin.

Just wondering, what do you think is Chisora his best win? Let's not even talk about the losses.

Ruslan Chagaev was already past his best against Povetkin too, and was previously beaten by Wladimir Klitschko. And Povetkin still went life and death with Chageav, whilst barely beating him. So that was NOT a very impressive win by Povetkin.

Yes, I know Wach was never cleanly KO'ed. That's why I stated stopped. And officially, Wach was stopped on his feet against Miller. And even if we disagree with the stoppage, Miller was still beating Wach and would've beaten him by decision. Povetkin also got a nonsensical stoppage against Wach. If the referee didn't stop that fight, Wach would've went the distance with Povetkin too. In other words, Povetkin didn't perform any better against Wach than Miller did.

Rahman was totally shot and old. That's far from an impressive victory for Povetkin. Povetkin didn't even drop Rahman in that fight. And this was a Rahman who was out of shape and wasn't even in fighting condition against Povetkin. That was Rahman's 2nd last fight and in his next fight, he lost to a TOTAL unknown journeyman. Lewis cleanly KO'ed a prime Rahman. Not the same as Povetkin's stoppage win against an old Rahman.

I'll give you Boswell but he was also past his prime, around age 40 when he lost to Povetkin. That's like me crediting Dereck Chisora for beating Danny Williams, the same Danny Williams who brutally knocked out Mike Tyson in just 4 rounds, which is double the time quicker than time Lennox Lewis needed to KO the same Mike Tyson.

As I stated, Povetkin's record is only better on paper deceptively. Since he fought more b / c level opponents whilst Chisora avoided them and went straight for elite opponents like Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury twice, Kubrat Pulev, David Haye and etc. If Chisora faced those b / c level opponents Povetkin has been feasting on, he would also have an equally good record.

[Luis Fernando12]

Chagaev, Wach, Rahman, Boswell and many many others, what's the best guy Chisora has ever beaten?

A shot Chagaev who was stopped by Wladimir Klitschko before and then brutally stopped by Lucas Browne? No thanks! Beating such an opponent like Chagaev isn't impressive!

Wach? You mean the guy who was beaten from pillar to post by Wladimir Klitschko and then stopped by Jarrell Miller later on. Again, no thanks! What has Wach ever done in his career that makes him such an impressive opponent to beat?

Rahman? You mean a totally shot to bits Rahman, that never should've even been in the ring? Pretty pathetic, if you're going to list names like that to make someone's resume / record look impressive.

Boswell? You mean a 40 year old, shot Boswell who was schooling Povetkin in the early rounds with a simple jab, until his legs and stamina was gone in the later rounds due to his old age? That wouldn't be a fight I'd use to make Povetkin look impressive, because that fight actually exposed Povetkin where Povetkin looked extremely clumsy.

Chisora has just stopped Takam. Povetkin's best knockout win in years. Other than that, Chisora hasn't wasted his time with scrubs that Povetkin has fought. Instead, he went straight to the deep end, fighting elite opponent after elite opponent like Vitali Klitshcko, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and Tyson Fury twice. That is, despite having fewer fights. Whilst Povetkin on the other hand, despite having more fights, has only fought two elite opponents in Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua. Losing to both! Therefore, both are roughly on the same level. Since both have been failures at the ABSOLUTE very top. Low level heavyweights like Rahman, Boswell and Wach aren't relevant. Chisora would do a number on all of them too. Just like how he did a number on Takam, who looked helpless against Chisora and was stopped 2 rounds quicker.

Wach stopped by Miller? You clearly haven't watched this fight.

I have! And Wach was stopped on his feet! All of that is still inconsequential and academic, because my point was, Miller beat Wach just as impressively as Povetkin did. And Wach wasn't the same fighter anyway, after he was destroyed by Wladimir Klitschko from pillar to post, which was a fight in which only his chin and durability kept him up.

[Luis Fernando12]

Your hero, Chisora, is a long time criminal, Luis. There used to be, and maybe you can still find it, an article online from the Zimbabwe news entitled "armed robber makes good in UK boxing". He was an armed robber in Africa. That's what they are inviting into the UK these days, en masse. The British media covers it up. They won't tell you the truth about your "Del Boy".

1) Chisora ain't my 'hero'.

2) This is a boxing forum. Non-boxing related events are totally irrelevant. So it doesn't matter what Chisora was outside of boxing before.

Well it sounds like he is by the way you rather fanatically pursue your specious arguments on this thread. Even tho Pov is over 4 years older than C he is ranked #3 in the world by BoxRec. C is ranked #11. I think almost everyone would agree that P is in a higher league both as a boxer and as a person. And even sticking strictly to boxing i think that Chisora should have been banned for spitting in Wlad's face and also threatening to shoot Haye.

I'm not even praising Dereck Chisora here in this thread. This thread is more of a constructive criticism of Alexander Povetkin than praising of Chisora.

Maybe Povetkin is a better person. Maybe Chisora should've been banned. But guess what? He isn't banned and Povetkin being a better person, doesn't change the fact that his record is not much, if at all really any better than Chisora's or other heavyweights like Bryant Jennings for example.

Bryant Jennings was ranked in the top 5 once upon a time. So Povetkin being ranked that highly means very little to me. Some smart fight making can allow most boxers, if not all to find a way to be ranked that highly. The main similarities between Povetkin and Chisora that needs to be mentioned, is that both of them have been TOTAL failures at the very elite / top level because they've both lost every fights at such a level. But the main difference is, Chisora has faced more elite opponents and therefore has more losses than Povetkin. Whereas as you said, Povetkin, despite being older and having similar number of fights, has only faced 2 elite opponents. Chisora has more of them.

And just so you know, rankings shouldn't be based on what a boxer accomplished a long time ago. Rankings should only be based on recent accomplishments and feats. So I ask once again, what has Povetkin done recently, that suggests he deserves to be ranked higher than Chisora?

Chisora has just recently stopped Carlos Takam (in 2 quicker rounds than Povetkin needed, I may also add). Whilst Povetkin went 24 rounds against 2 journeymen in Christian Hammer and Andriy Rudenko without being able to score a single knockdown against either. Then he fought David Price, knocked him out and then got stopped by Anthony Joshua. himself.

So how do any of those feats, warrant Povetkin to be ranked higher than Chisora? Exactly!

[dagilechia]

A shot Chagaev who was stopped by Wladimir Klitschko before and then brutally stopped by Lucas Browne? No thanks! Beating such an opponent like Chagaev isn't impressive!

Wach? You mean the guy who was beaten from pillar to post by Wladimir Klitschko and then stopped by Jarrell Miller later on. Again, no thanks! What has Wach ever done in his career that makes him such an impressive opponent to beat?

Rahman? You mean a totally shot to bits Rahman, that never should've even been in the ring? Pretty pathetic, if you're going to list names like that to make someone's resume / record look impressive.

Boswell? You mean a 40 year old, shot Boswell who was schooling Povetkin in the early rounds with a simple jab, until his legs and stamina was gone in the later rounds due to his old age? That wouldn't be a fight I'd use to make Povetkin look impressive, because that fight actually exposed Povetkin where Povetkin looked extremely clumsy.

Chisora has just stopped Takam. Povetkin's best knockout win in years. Other than that, Chisora hasn't wasted his time with scrubs that Povetkin has fought. Instead, he went straight to the deep end, fighting elite opponent after elite opponent like Vitali Klitshcko, David Haye, Kubrat Pulev and Tyson Fury twice. That is, despite having fewer fights. Whilst Povetkin on the other hand, despite having more fights, has only fought two elite opponents in Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua. Losing to both! Therefore, both are roughly on the same level. Since both have been failures at the ABSOLUTE very top. Low level heavyweights like Rahman, Boswell and Wach aren't relevant. Chisora would do a number on all of them too. Just like how he did a number on Takam, who looked helpless against Chisora and was stopped 2 rounds quicker.

Wach stopped by Miller? You clearly haven't watched this fight.

I have! And Wach was stopped on his feet! All of that is still inconsequential and academic, because my point was, Miller beat Wach just as impressively as Povetkin did. And Wach wasn't the same fighter anyway, after he was destroyed by Wladimir Klitschko from pillar to post, which was a fight in which only his chin and durability kept him up.

Wach broked his arm in round 2. You knew that?

[Luis Fernando12]

Wach stopped by Miller? You clearly haven't watched this fight.

I have! And Wach was stopped on his feet! All of that is still inconsequential and academic, because my point was, Miller beat Wach just as impressively as Povetkin did. And Wach wasn't the same fighter anyway, after he was destroyed by Wladimir Klitschko from pillar to post, which was a fight in which only his chin and durability kept him up.

Wach broked his arm in round 2. You knew that?

And Wladimir Klitschko broke Wach's soul and spirit after the 12 round beating he gave him before Povetkin faced Wach. You knew that, right?

[dagilechia]

so the injury was irrevelant? Without it the result would be the same? The fight would end up in 9 anyway?

Wach wasn't stopped by Miller. He couldn't continue due to injury.

[Ilya Muromets]

so the injury was irrevelant? Without it the result would be the same? The fight would end up in 9 anyway?

Wach wasn't stopped by Miller. He couldn't continue due to injury.

I think Wach could have beat Miller. Miller was wide open to his big right, but unfortunately he broke his right hand. Also Wach didn't seem to have trained properly. He looked soft around the middle.

[dagilechia]

so the injury was irrevelant? Without it the result would be the same? The fight would end up in 9 anyway?

Wach wasn't stopped by Miller. He couldn't continue due to injury.

I think Wach could have beat Miller. Miller was wide open to his big right, but unfortunately he broke his right hand. Also Wach didn't seem to have trained properly. He looked soft around the middle.

Yes this fight was winnable i agree, probably he would lose anyway but it was winnable.

Wach said that he was heavier than usual not because he didn't trained properly but because he wanted to have "brutal force" vs a tank like Miller. I dont know how true it is though.

[Luis Fernando12]

so the injury was irrevelant? Without it the result would be the same? The fight would end up in 9 anyway?

Wach wasn't stopped by Miller. He couldn't continue due to injury.

Right! Then in that case, Wach wasn't stopped by Povetkin either. Since It was a cut but he still could've continued until the final bell.

Main point being, Povetkin wasn't anymore impressive against Mariusz Wach, than Jarrell Miller was. And Miller would have beaten him anyway by decision, even if the injury didn't occur.

[Luis Fernando12]

Chagaev in his prime is a whole different thing then Chagaev 5 years later. If you disagree, then don't cry if AJ KO's Ortiz in 1 round in 2023 saying that Ortiz used to be better in 2018.
Wach has never been KOed by anyone, he was standing, the crowd, everybody, even Miller was highly surprised the ref stopped the fight because Wach wasn't even wobbling.
The Klitschko's were all time greats in boxing history, especially at the time, you can't compare that to Chisora lol.
Rahman wasn't 40 and he has been KOed by Povetkin faster then he has ever been in his entire carreer, Rahman who won against Lennox Lewis for example, you can't compare that to Chisora lol.
Boswell was 63-70 behind on most scorecards in the 7th round lol, till he got KOed in the 8th round, Boswell was 35-1 at the moment he fought Povetkin.

Just wondering, what do you think is Chisora his best win? Let's not even talk about the losses.

Ruslan Chagaev was already past his best against Povetkin too, and was previously beaten by Wladimir Klitschko. And Povetkin still went life and death with Chageav, whilst barely beating him. So that was NOT a very impressive win by Povetkin.

Yes, I know Wach was never cleanly KO'ed. That's why I stated stopped. And officially, Wach was stopped on his feet against Miller. And even if we disagree with the stoppage, Miller was still beating Wach and would've beaten him by decision. Povetkin also got a nonsensical stoppage against Wach. If the referee didn't stop that fight, Wach would've went the distance with Povetkin too. In other words, Povetkin didn't perform any better against Wach than Miller did.

Rahman was totally shot and old. That's far from an impressive victory for Povetkin. Povetkin didn't even drop Rahman in that fight. And this was a Rahman who was out of shape and wasn't even in fighting condition against Povetkin. That was Rahman's 2nd last fight and in his next fight, he lost to a TOTAL unknown journeyman. Lewis cleanly KO'ed a prime Rahman. Not the same as Povetkin's stoppage win against an old Rahman.

I'll give you Boswell but he was also past his prime, around age 40 when he lost to Povetkin. That's like me crediting Dereck Chisora for beating Danny Williams, the same Danny Williams who brutally knocked out Mike Tyson in just 4 rounds, which is double the time quicker than time Lennox Lewis needed to KO the same Mike Tyson.

As I stated, Povetkin's record is only better on paper deceptively. Since he fought more b / c level opponents whilst Chisora avoided them and went straight for elite opponents like Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury twice, Kubrat Pulev, David Haye and etc. If Chisora faced those b / c level opponents Povetkin has been feasting on, he would also have an equally good record.

A 32 year old Chagaev is past his prime? Then what was his prime? When he was a 12 year old or so? I'm sorry mate but if you consider that to be the truth, then how much of a massive coward must Wilder be that he still ran away scared for Povetkin 5 years later?
Was Chisora also an old men when he lost against an even older Pulev? Your talks make absolutely no sense at all whatsoever, lol, I think you should simply admit that Povetkin is superior in every single way you can think of and will allways remain that, that will at least save some of your face, or whatever is left of it.

Who the hell did Ruslan Chagaev ever beat? He is just another journeyman on Povetkin's record. Chagaev's best win is BLOODY John Ruiz, a split decision win and a MD over Nikolai Value. So you're going to tell me that Povetkin's win over Chagaev is something to marvel over? LOL! COME ONE! At least state something that is impressive!

Dereck Chisora beat Dillian Whyte. But got robbed on the scorecards! And Dillian Whyte > Ruslan Chagaev.

Chisora at least fought Pulev. Povetkin would get beat just as bad by Pulev if he fought him.

I don't need to admit Povetkin is superior in every way to Chisora, because he just isn't. Povetkin simply has had better and smarter match making. That's about it!

[Evander]

Chisora is hot and he comes to fight when he wants to.

[tiny_acres]

A 32 year old Chagaev is past his prime? Then what was his prime? When he was a 12 year old or so? I'm sorry mate but if you consider that to be the truth, then how much of a massive coward must Wilder be that he still ran away scared for Povetkin 5 years later?
Was Chisora also an old men when he lost against an even older Pulev? Your talks make absolutely no sense at all whatsoever, lol, I think you should simply admit that Povetkin is superior in every single way you can think of and will allways remain that, that will at least save some of your face, or whatever is left of it.

Who the hell did Ruslan Chagaev ever beat? He is just another journeyman on Povetkin's record. Chagaev's best win is BLOODY John Ruiz, a split decision win and a MD over Nikolai Value. So you're going to tell me that Povetkin's win over Chagaev is something to marvel over? LOL! COME ONE! At least state something that is impressive!

Dereck Chisora beat Dillian Whyte. But got robbed on the scorecards! And Dillian Whyte > Ruslan Chagaev.

Chisora at least fought Pulev. Povetkin would get beat just as bad by Pulev if he fought him.

I don't need to admit Povetkin is superior in every way to Chisora, because he just isn't. Povetkin simply has had better and smarter match making. That's about it!

You genuinly ridicule a win over Nikolai Valuev? Are you nuts? Valuev was 46-0, more wins then any active heavyweight boxer in the world right now?! Undefeated for well over a decade! Never got knocked down in his entire carreer at all!
If you call Chagaev a journeyman, then what do you call Evander Holyfield? Chagaev fought more world title matches then Wilder or Fury did and yes, eventually he lost it to Povetkin, but that's because Povetkin is an all time great!

Guy, you lost, that's just the way it is, you're just making yourself looking even more stupid every post you make.

I agree with all but one thing you said. Chagaev was 6-2 in world title fights..... Wilder is 8-0 they both have had 8 world title fights

[Luis Fernando12]

A 32 year old Chagaev is past his prime? Then what was his prime? When he was a 12 year old or so? I'm sorry mate but if you consider that to be the truth, then how much of a massive coward must Wilder be that he still ran away scared for Povetkin 5 years later?
Was Chisora also an old men when he lost against an even older Pulev? Your talks make absolutely no sense at all whatsoever, lol, I think you should simply admit that Povetkin is superior in every single way you can think of and will allways remain that, that will at least save some of your face, or whatever is left of it.

Who the hell did Ruslan Chagaev ever beat? He is just another journeyman on Povetkin's record. Chagaev's best win is BLOODY John Ruiz, a split decision win and a MD over Nikolai Value. So you're going to tell me that Povetkin's win over Chagaev is something to marvel over? LOL! COME ONE! At least state something that is impressive!

Dereck Chisora beat Dillian Whyte. But got robbed on the scorecards! And Dillian Whyte > Ruslan Chagaev.

Chisora at least fought Pulev. Povetkin would get beat just as bad by Pulev if he fought him.

I don't need to admit Povetkin is superior in every way to Chisora, because he just isn't. Povetkin simply has had better and smarter match making. That's about it!

You genuinly ridicule a win over Nikolai Valuev? Are you nuts? Valuev was 46-0, more wins then any active heavyweight boxer in the world right now?! Undefeated for well over a decade! Never got knocked down in his entire carreer at all!
If you call Chagaev a journeyman, then what do you call Evander Holyfield? Chagaev fought more world title matches then Wilder or Fury did and yes, eventually he lost it to Povetkin, but that's because Povetkin is an all time great!

Guy, you lost, that's just the way it is, you're just making yourself looking even more stupid every post you make.

Who is Nikolai Valuev's best win / best opponent that he beat? Exactly! The gigantic oaf had a padded record, consisting of wins over pretty much nobody that was ever elite or high level. This Valuev was beaten by a 40+ year old Evander Holyfield for goodness sake. Where he needed a robbery to win. What does that tell you about his quality (or lack of)? So why should a win over Valuev be at all impressive?

Nikolai Valuev would have done no better against Dereck Chisora either!

And let's not forget that Povetkin BARELY, and I mean BARELY beat Ruslan Chagaev in the first place. It's not like he looked impressive in that win at all. He just about pulled off a decision in a very close bout that could have been a draw over a Chagaev who was already beaten by Wladimir Klitshcko not too long before.

Dereck Chisora would have also beaten Ruslan Chagaev!

Ruslan Chagaev is really no better than Carlos Takam. And we all saw what Chisora did to Takam. TOTALLY blasted Takam out of the ring.

Dillian Whyte is SIGNIFICANTLY, and I mean SIGNIFICANTLY superior to Ruslan Chagaev. Whyte makes Chagaev look like an utter bum. Chagaev got embarrassed and humiliated in his backyard by Lucas Browne. Whilst Whyte literally put this same Browne to sleep and had him carried out on a stretcher. Yet, Whyte needed a robbery to beat Dereck Chisora.

[Oiky]

I’d say povetkin is the better out of the two, but if chisora is switched on he will be a nightmare for you

I like him as well cos chisora is game and is one a them that will have a few shots with anybody

[dagilechia]

so the injury was irrevelant? Without it the result would be the same? The fight would end up in 9 anyway?

Wach wasn't stopped by Miller. He couldn't continue due to injury.

Right! Then in that case, Wach wasn't stopped by Povetkin either. Since It was a cut but he still could've continued until the final bell.

Main point being, Povetkin wasn't anymore impressive against Mariusz Wach, than Jarrell Miller was. And Miller would have beaten him anyway by decision, even if the injury didn't occur.

The difference is - the cut was caused by Povetkin, hand injury wasnt caused by Miller.

[adislav123]

Not that i would like to mix my mustard into the endlessly repetitive, i'm sorry to say "full on retarded" narrative of this thread. I fly over it from time to time for comical purpose. Bums left and right who don't deserve to share a ring with "elite" superheavyweights! Not for me, man.

But regarding valuev vs. Holyfield, it was clear as crystal that valuev just didn't want to hurt the old man. Period. He was sleepwalking through those 12 rounds to cash the cheque & wanted to retire anyways. That they might have fixed the fight in his favor... i don't know, as far is i remember holyfield was bouncing in circles around valuev and barely threw a hand while the giant plodded after him touching him up with a halfhearted jab that mostly missed too, but i really don't know what holy did that he deserved the decision.

[Luis Fernando12]

so the injury was irrevelant? Without it the result would be the same? The fight would end up in 9 anyway?

Wach wasn't stopped by Miller. He couldn't continue due to injury.

Right! Then in that case, Wach wasn't stopped by Povetkin either. Since It was a cut but he still could've continued until the final bell.

Main point being, Povetkin wasn't anymore impressive against Mariusz Wach, than Jarrell Miller was. And Miller would have beaten him anyway by decision, even if the injury didn't occur.

The difference is - the cut was caused by Povetkin, hand injury wasnt caused by Miller.

How are you so sure Wach's injury wasn't caused by Wach? Maybe Miller evading Wach's punches caused Wach to become injured by forcing Wach to miss? Or maybe Miller's chin / body forced Wach to become injured, after Wach landed his punch / punches on Miller and Miller's chin / body absorbed the punch in such a way that it caused Wach to be injured? Who knows for sure!

Whatever the case may be, the fact remains, that Miller beat Wach just as convincingly, if not more convincingly compared to Povetkin beating Wach.

The cut on Wach's face was minimal. Wach wasn't going anywhere against Povetkin and was going to last until the final bell. The referee stopped that fight, when he didn't need to. So if the Miller - Wach stoppage was bad / controversial / premature, then so was the Povetkin - Wach stoppage too.

[Luis Fernando12]

You genuinly ridicule a win over Nikolai Valuev? Are you nuts? Valuev was 46-0, more wins then any active heavyweight boxer in the world right now?! Undefeated for well over a decade! Never got knocked down in his entire carreer at all!
If you call Chagaev a journeyman, then what do you call Evander Holyfield? Chagaev fought more world title matches then Wilder or Fury did and yes, eventually he lost it to Povetkin, but that's because Povetkin is an all time great!

Guy, you lost, that's just the way it is, you're just making yourself looking even more stupid every post you make.

Who is Nikolai Valuev's best win / best opponent that he beat? Exactly! The gigantic oaf had a padded record, consisting of wins over pretty much nobody that was ever elite or high level. This Valuev was beaten by a 40+ year old Evander Holyfield for goodness sake. Where he needed a robbery to win. What does that tell you about his quality (or lack of)? So why should a win over Valuev be at all impressive?

Nikolai Valuev would have done no better against Dereck Chisora either!

And let's not forget that Povetkin BARELY, and I mean BARELY beat Ruslan Chagaev in the first place. It's not like he looked impressive in that win at all. He just about pulled off a decision in a very close bout that could have been a draw over a Chagaev who was already beaten by Wladimir Klitshcko not too long before.

Dereck Chisora would have also beaten Ruslan Chagaev!

Ruslan Chagaev is really no better than Carlos Takam. And we all saw what Chisora did to Takam. TOTALLY blasted Takam out of the ring.

Dillian Whyte is SIGNIFICANTLY, and I mean SIGNIFICANTLY superior to Ruslan Chagaev. Whyte makes Chagaev look like an utter bum. Chagaev got embarrassed and humiliated in his backyard by Lucas Browne. Whilst Whyte literally put this same Browne to sleep and had him carried out on a stretcher. Yet, Whyte needed a robbery to beat Dereck Chisora.

He fought the best guys out there at the time.
Larry Donald, John Ruiz, Gerald Nobles (Wilder never fought anyone with such a high KO rating at all ever), Richard Bango (same story), the list go's on.

These are all level of opposition that only confirms what I've been saying all along. That his record is really not much, if at all better than Chisora's. Maybe on paper, it's slightly better due to quantity of names. But again, Povetkin has had a very good matchmaking against opponents who were rated high, but on their way down at the time of beating them.

[Luis Fernando12]

He fought the best guys out there at the time.
Larry Donald, John Ruiz, Gerald Nobles (Wilder never fought anyone with such a high KO rating at all ever), Richard Bango (same story), the list go's on.

These are all level of opposition that only confirms what I've been saying all along. That his record is really not much, if at all better than Chisora's. Maybe on paper, it's slightly better due to quantity of names. But again, Povetkin has had a very good matchmaking against opponents who were rated high, but on their way down at the time of beating them.

The opposite is true and you know that very well, you can't be this dumb. If you lose against Kabayel, Helenius, Pulev, Haye, in your prime, you can't compare yourself with Povetkin lol, Duhaupas alone already proved that .

Dereck Chisora is not in his prime anymore. He wasn't when he fought Kabayel. I'll give you Kabayel, but all those other guys, he either beat and got robbed in the scorecards, or they are guys at a level Povetkin never beat.

Chisora beat Helenius and got robbed. Pulev and Haye would also arguably beat Povetkin. Especially Pulev. I can't see Povetkin being very effective against Pulev. Pulev is going to utterly jab Povetkin's head and ears off his shoulder. Povetkin isn't getting past Pulev's jab.

[Luis Fernando12]

The opposite is true and you know that very well, you can't be this dumb. If you lose against Kabayel, Helenius, Pulev, Haye, in your prime, you can't compare yourself with Povetkin lol, Duhaupas alone already proved that .

Dereck Chisora is not in his prime anymore. He wasn't when he fought Kabayel. I'll give you Kabayel, but all those other guys, he either beat and got robbed in the scorecards, or they are guys at a level Povetkin never beat.

Chisora beat Helenius and got robbed. Pulev and Haye would also arguably beat Povetkin. Especially Pulev. I can't see Povetkin being very effective against Pulev. Pulev is going to utterly jab Povetkin's head and ears off his shoulder. Povetkin isn't getting past Pulev's jab.

Chisora was 33 when he fought Kabayel, if that wasn't his prime, then what is? And don't act like Kabayel would beat Povetkin lol.
Look at Pulev his opponents in the amateurs, he lost against Roberto Cammarelle many times, the only thing Povetkin did against Roberto Cammarelle was winning and not just once. Pulev lost to Oscar Rivas, Pulev lost to Sultan Ibragimov, Odlanier Solis, Razvan Cojanu, the list go's on, how on earth would Povetkin lose against this guy? It's not even competative lol. Povetkin would play with Pulev, he still would, despite Pulev is younger. Povetkin would KO Helenius within a couple of rounds, just like Duhaupas did, actually, Povetkin played with that same Duhaupas that KOed Helenius in a couple of rounds. Really, the more you talk, the more you make yourself look like an idiot.

I've already admitted Kabayel would lose to Povetkin. However, an argument can also be made that Povetkin also lost to Marco Huck but got a gift decision. So it works both ways! The Chisora that fought Kabayel was a disinterested and an unmotivated Chisora who would have beaten Kabayel if he turned up in the same condition as he did against Takam.

Amateur boxing is irrelevant when discussing pro bouts. Amateur boxing bouts are only 3 rounds. Whilst pro boxing bouts are 12. So Pulev losing bouts to opponents in the amateurs consisting of 3 rounds, has no relevance to how he'd perform against the same opponents, or even superior opponents in the pros consisting of 12 rounds.

In the amateurs, you don't have much time to figure out your opponent. Tactics and strategies aren't as important due to bouts being too short. Whilst in the pros, ring IQ, tactics and strategies play a bigger factor. Thus, Pulev is far superior in the pros because he is a master tactician / strategist.

[Luis Fernando12]

Chisora was 33 when he fought Kabayel, if that wasn't his prime, then what is? And don't act like Kabayel would beat Povetkin lol.
Look at Pulev his opponents in the amateurs, he lost against Roberto Cammarelle many times, the only thing Povetkin did against Roberto Cammarelle was winning and not just once. Pulev lost to Oscar Rivas, Pulev lost to Sultan Ibragimov, Odlanier Solis, Razvan Cojanu, the list go's on, how on earth would Povetkin lose against this guy? It's not even competative lol. Povetkin would play with Pulev, he still would, despite Pulev is younger. Povetkin would KO Helenius within a couple of rounds, just like Duhaupas did, actually, Povetkin played with that same Duhaupas that KOed Helenius in a couple of rounds. Really, the more you talk, the more you make yourself look like an idiot.

I've already admitted Kabayel would lose to Povetkin. However, an argument can also be made that Povetkin also lost to Marco Huck but got a gift decision. So it works both ways! The Chisora that fought Kabayel was a disinterested and an unmotivated Chisora who would have beaten Kabayel if he turned up in the same condition as he did against Takam.

Amateur boxing is irrelevant when discussing pro bouts. Amateur boxing bouts are only 3 rounds. Whilst pro boxing bouts are 12. So Pulev losing bouts to opponents in the amateurs consisting of 3 rounds, has no relevance to how he'd perform against the same opponents, or even superior opponents in the pros consisting of 12 rounds.

In the amateurs, you don't have much time to figure out your opponent. Tactics and strategies aren't as important due to bouts being too short. Whilst in the pros, ring IQ, tactics and strategies play a bigger factor. Thus, Pulev is far superior in the pros because he is a master tactician / strategist.

Euhm no... Povetkin hitted the wall against Huck and still won fair and square. In fact Povetkin is the only boxer in the world that I've seen hitting the wall and still won fair and square. Also note that Pulev was losing so badly many times that the matches were stopped within 3 rounds. Who has Pulev ever fought in his entire pro carreer? I don't even see him beating Chagaev 3 years ago.

Povetkin hit the wall against Marco Huck? Chisora wasn't bothered against Kabit Kabayel. And no, Povetkin didn't win 'fair and square'. He received a very questionable decision!

Pulev isn't a 3 round amateur boxer. He is a 12 round boxer. Ergo, Pulev's performances / losses in the amateurs are totally irrelevant when discussing his potential fights and chances in fights in the pros.

Who is Chagaev? A small little journeyman who was never that good to begin with. Chagaev got blasted out of the ring by Lucas Browne. Pulev would jab Chagaev's head off.