Who has the better skillset, Lomachenko or Crawford ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 02 Nov 2018, 13:45

Very difficult question, I have no answer. What do you think ?

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 02 Nov 2018, 15:15

Definitely Loma and that is expected from a smaller fighter of the same level.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 02 Nov 2018, 17:51

I'm undecided.

Loma's powers:

- technical abilities;
- elusiveness;
- intelligence;
- speed;
- volume (which compensates a lack of raw punching power, that's why I won't put the least in weaknesses).

Loma's weaknesses:

- taking unnecessary shots.

Crawford's powers:

- technical abilities;
- elusiveness;
- intelligence;
- speed;
- good puncing power.

Weaknesses:

- sometimes starting slow.

Note: Loma looks more special in the offence, than Crawford, and he was tested by tougher opposition.

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 02 Nov 2018, 18:30

Crawford for me, but it's splitting hairs

Mexi-Box · Post by **Mexi-Box** » 02 Nov 2018, 18:36

Not difficult at all. It's Lomachenko. He made Rigondeaux quit. Crawford struggled with a crippled Benavidez.

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 02 Nov 2018, 20:23

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Nov 2018, 17:51 Note: Loma looks more special in the offence, than Crawford, and he was tested by tougher opposition.

Speaking about opposition, can you imagine Crawford facing Spence or even Thurman in his first fight at 147, completely dominating and winning by stoppage?

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 02 Nov 2018, 21:45

speed and power arnt really skills are they? is a guy like wilder exceptionally skillful then?

TheBeast · Post by **TheBeast** » 02 Nov 2018, 21:53

earned skills mixed with talent, Crawford.

All natural split second instinct and impulese type of natural skills, Loma

Best Coast · Post by **Best Coast** » 02 Nov 2018, 22:51

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Nov 2018, 18:30 Crawford for me, but it's splitting hairs

Agreed...strong arguments can be made for both fighters. Plus it can vary from opponent to opponent/one fight to the next. Some opponents test a guy's defensive skills more, some his footwork, ring generalship, etc.

Best Coast · Post by **Best Coast** » 02 Nov 2018, 23:11

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑02 Nov 2018, 20:23
DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Nov 2018, 17:51 Note: Loma looks more special in the offence, than Crawford, and he was tested by tougher opposition.
Speaking about opposition, can you imagine Crawford facing Spence or even Thurman in his first fight at 147, completely dominating and winning by stoppage?

Please clarify which Lomachenko fight you are comparing Crawford to. Loma DID completely dominate Rigondeaux, but it was Rigo who was moving UP in weight class: 2 divisions from 122 to 130.

Loma did move from 130 up to 135 for the Linares fight, but you can hardly call his TKO win a complete domination because the judges' scorecards were equally divided when the bout was stopped in the 10th (85-85, 86-84, 84-86) and Linares won the 6th and 7th rounds on ALL 3 judges' scorecards.

Cent0089 · Post by **Cent0089** » 03 Nov 2018, 03:43

Hard to say. Lomachenko has better offensive arsenal, but more defensive flaws. Despite that, Crawford has better offense than 99% boxers and Lomachenko has better defense than 99% boxers

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 03 Nov 2018, 04:00

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑02 Nov 2018, 20:23
DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Nov 2018, 17:51 Note: Loma looks more special in the offence, than Crawford, and he was tested by tougher opposition.
Speaking about opposition, can you imagine Crawford facing Spence or even Thurman in his first fight at 147, completely dominating and winning by stoppage?

Loma was winning Linares fair and square before the stoppage, not to count crappy scorecards, but that wasn't a dominant performance.

jamamb wrote: ↑02 Nov 2018, 21:45 speed and power arnt really skills are they? is a guy like wilder exceptionally skillful then?

Yeah, I decided to make an overall evaluation of them, not only skill-related aspects.

ezhmael · Post by **ezhmael** » 03 Nov 2018, 04:22

I just think it's Loma who has the better skill set because if don't have that his opponents will just walk thru his punches because he doesn't have enough pop on his punches to earn respect from his opponents but he compensate it with his skills.

My analysis:

Loma makes you fight his style and most of his opponents succumbed to his superior skill while Bud analyze his opponent break them down methodically and making adjustment round by round.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 03 Nov 2018, 04:34

i would say there similarly skilled but craw is a better puncher and i think more of a physical presence

brilo33 · Post by **brilo33** » 03 Nov 2018, 13:42

Lomo is the best boxer I've ever seen . 36 yo been watching boxing since 89
Crawford is great but there been lots of greats

brilo33 · Post by **brilo33** » 03 Nov 2018, 13:44

Lomo is the best boxer I've ever seen . iam 36 yo been watching boxing since 89
Crawford is great but there been lots of greats

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Nov 2018, 13:50

brilo33 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 13:44 Lomo is the best boxer I've ever seen . 36 yo been watching boxing since 89
Crawford is great but there been lots of greats

36 ? 89 ?

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 03 Nov 2018, 13:53

He's 36 years old and has been watching boxing since 1989. I've been watching since 1975 and loma isn't anywhere near the best I've seen. Great fighter though. Crawford is a mean may weather.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Nov 2018, 14:10

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 13:53 He's 36 years old and has been watching boxing since 1989. I've been watching since 1975 and loma isn't anywhere near the best I've seen. Great fighter though. Crawford is a mean may weather.

I apologize....My English.....

Loma is one of the best fighters I have ever seen, and I (1965) have been watching since Ali vs. Frazier 1. 1970 ?

Anyway, I prefer HW..............

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 03 Nov 2018, 14:12

They were both better.

brilo33 · Post by **brilo33** » 03 Nov 2018, 14:29

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 13:53 He's 36 years old and has been watching boxing since 1989. I've been watching since 1975 and loma isn't anywhere near the best I've seen. Great fighter though. Crawford is a mean may weather.

its all about opinions mate , not saying he is, i saying me , and i change all the time , and crawford i agree is a fantastic boxer, but there quality in the division for him still to beat first , were lomo is the top of his weight at the moment

brilo33 · Post by **brilo33** » 03 Nov 2018, 14:31

ValMar wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 13:50
brilo33 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 13:44 Lomo is the best boxer I've ever seen . 36 yo been watching boxing since 89
Crawford is great but there been lots of greats
36 ? 89 ?

iam 36 been watching boxing since 1989

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 03 Nov 2018, 14:33

brilo33 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 14:29
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 13:53 He's 36 years old and has been watching boxing since 1989. I've been watching since 1975 and loma isn't anywhere near the best I've seen. Great fighter though. Crawford is a mean may weather.
its all about opinions mate , not saying he is, i saying me , and i change all the time , and crawford i agree is a fantastic boxer, but there quality in the division for him still to beat first , were lomo is the top of his weight at the moment

I think Mikey can beat loma at 135. No shame in that, but I'd favor Garcia.

brilo33 · Post by **brilo33** » 03 Nov 2018, 14:48

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 14:33
brilo33 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 14:29
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018, 13:53 He's 36 years old and has been watching boxing since 1989. I've been watching since 1975 and loma isn't anywhere near the best I've seen. Great fighter though. Crawford is a mean may weather.
its all about opinions mate , not saying he is, i saying me , and i change all the time , and crawford i agree is a fantastic boxer, but there quality in the division for him still to beat first , were lomo is the top of his weight at the moment
I think Mikey can beat loma at 135. No shame in that, but I'd favor Garcia.

iam a huge mikey fan too i was hoping to see crawford garcia couple years back,, but that dont prove nothing i mean lomo had to go up 3 weights , i just think he is a one off and garcia is a top quality boxer

Onetimeonly · Post by **Onetimeonly** » 03 Nov 2018, 14:50

Crawford would have pulverized loma. Too big and tough.