crawfords career is boring

[jamamb]

guys like castillo and corrales are substantially better then anyone crawfords faced, but i get your point, floyds career really picked up with his 147 fights. although by the time he was crawfords age hed already beaten hatton, oscar, judah, castillo, and corraless, in addition to loads of guys comparable to anyone crawfords beaten.....guys like ndou, corrley, sharmba mitchell, genaro hernandez, etc

even a guy like jesus chavez to me stands up to anyone craw has fought. now i dont think there really was anyone too good for craw to fight at 135/140, so im not blaming him there, but that was still the reality of it and ive found it hard to stay interested.

hopefully a fight with spence/thurman/porter happens soon but with the arum-pbc issue im not so confident. i dont like the rumors that well be looking at kauivalkus next, but its what i expect

[tiny_acres]

guys like castillo and corrales are substantially better then anyone crawfords faced, but i get your point, floyds career really picked up with his 147 fights. although by the time he was crawfords age hed already beaten hatton, oscar, judah, castillo, and corraless, in addition to loads of guys comparable to anyone crawfords beaten.....guys like ndou, corrley, sharmba mitchell, genaro hernandez, etc

even a guy like jesus chavez to me stands up to anyone craw has fought. now i dont think there really was anyone too good for craw to fight at 135/140, so im not blaming him there, but that was still the reality of it and ive found it hard to stay interested.

hopefully a fight with spence/thurman/porter happens soon but with the arum-pbc issue im not so confident

Just remember people thought the same thing about Floyd even then. Those wins gained value long after Floyd left the
Jr. and lightweight division
Everything looks better in hindsight

[jamamb]

maybe, but imo time wont be enough to put guys like indongo or burns on the same level as guys like castillo and corralles....these guys were p4p level fighters or close to it at times in there careers

not to mention we havent really seen big success for crawfords opponents since he beat them.

btw, looking at craws record again, id totally forgot hed fought dierry jean.

[ironbeard]

Crawford beats the crap out of people in a meticulous fashion. He does not just sit back and out point opponents. He takes risks.

Bud is not boring.

I agree that he needs a bigger challenge / name.

[Lennox]

Agree he is super good he just needs to beat the current numbers 2 and 3 at 147.

When he beats them everything after gets boring again.

[jamamb]

those matchups would provide far more exctiement and interest then any of his previous have. id love to see them, especially vs spence. even if it somehow got boring after it would be a big boost, and add to his legacy as well. a real standout win. fights vs elite p4p opposition

at that point, if he does beat those guys, you can start even talking about if he can move to 154 too

[ewenhay]

is that really being denied he finished well and showed a high standard yet again? havent seen much of that tbh

ppl keep saying stuff that in realty highlights my point. we have this excellent talent whose racking up dominant performance after dominant performance. hes got all these title fight wins. but he still really doesnt have a standout win and his fights its just the same thing over and over again with him outclassing and gradually picking away at second tier opposition. to me other guys like canelo and loma and ggg and thurman and hurd have all either better 'best' wins or better 'best' opponents. and even usyk, being a pro way shorter then craw, already has comparable top results.

theres no real intrigue anymore and none of these type of guys really add anything more to his standing. his opposition level has been pretty stagnate for years and there are more interesting matchups to talk about. just a bit stale for me. now being talked about him fighting that lithuanian whose with top rank. just more of the same.

for such a great talent who many rank as p4p 1 to have indongo as possibly his biggest fight 34 matches in is just disappointing.

Yeah but you said it was boring. Personally I thought there was nothing boring about his performance.

I agree he needs to face the other top guys at welterweight now but he's a joy to watch and watching talent like that should never be boring. Each to their own though.

Comparisons with Mayweather are valid to a degree but their styles are completely different. Crawford is always looking to attack. Whether he becomes more defensive as his career develops remains to be seen.

[jamamb]

ya i said his career is getting boring and thats perfectly compatabile with me thinking he shows a high level and can finish well. even someone whose been entertaining can get stale

the guys a great fighter but ffs julius indongo might be his biggest win. he can outclass these
c+/b level guys all day and we all know it itll go, but these fights really arent intriguing at all and add very little if any value to his accomplishments or legacy

there are several guys out there at 147 now who would be career best wins, i hope he can get some of those fights. something like crawford vs kaulvialus is just totally lame. 100 percent predictable, 100 percent uncompetitive, and does nothing meaningful for crawfords accomplishments

[ewenhay]

I'm not disagreeing that he needs defining fights at welterweight. He was unfortunate legacy wise that he was clearly the best by some distance during his time at the lighter weights.

[jamamb]

luis collazo

[Stuarty]

I think Crawford is the goods and he's better than anyone at 147 or 154...

[Stuarty]

luis collazo

Yeah that's AIDS but you're a boxing man... You can't tell me you don't enjoy watching him?

[Stuarty]

I think Crawford is the goods and he's better than anyone at 147 or 154...

Hate replying to my own comment but I think I might be wrong about 154! Skill wise he's better than anyone there but he might just be a little bit too small to really break these guys down.

[Nightmare Roy]

Love watching him, fights with a smile on his face and makes it look easy against top class operators

[Mexi-Box]

Crawford never cleaned out 135. He never fought Titere, Abril, or Figueroa. I don't even think he unified a single title there.

Titere and Abril were avoided, though. He fought better fighters at 135 than 140, but he didn't reach any level of undisputed at 135. Gamboa was Crawford's toughest fight and Beltran aged really well. The opposition post-135 has been pretty bad, but he has an excuse for 140. The competition just sucked. You didn't get Prograis, Taylor, Ramirez, and Mikey until after he left.

Crawford has no excuse for his opposition at 147 when it's pretty decent around the top 10, like Ugas. Ugas is just decent, though, nothing more.

Crawford's resume is extremely weak for a p4per, though.

[jamamb]

I think Crawford is the goods and he's better than anyone at 147 or 154...

Hate replying to my own comment but I think I might be wrong about 154! Skill wise he's better than anyone there but he might just be a little bit too small to really break these guys down.

doesnt matter how good someone is it gets boring eventually if you just get the same thng over and over...esp when they havent faced really an elite fghter yet. craws bggest wn may be indongo whch to me is just meh. i get that he couldnt do much more at 135 or 140 but stll gets old....plus there are some real good fghters at 147 now....though unfortunetly wth haymon

[SFW]

Crawford never cleaned out 135. He never fought Titere, Abril, or Figueroa. I don't even think he unified a single title there.

Titere and Abril were avoided, though. He fought better fighters at 135 than 140, but he didn't reach any level of undisputed at 135. Gamboa was Crawford's toughest fight and Beltran aged really well. The opposition post-135 has been pretty bad, but he has an excuse for 140. The competition just sucked. You didn't get Prograis, Taylor, Ramirez, and Mikey until after he left.

Crawford has no excuse for his opposition at 147 when it's pretty decent around the top 10, like Ugas. Ugas is just decent, though, nothing more.

Crawford's resume is extremely weak for a p4per, though.

Thank you..It's getting a bit much in here listening to this crap. If one more putz tries to celebrate these joke fights like Horn and gimp leg Benavidez, this officially becomes a TC fan club and no doubt a free t-shirt is in the works. I asked for ANYONE to explain justifying this guy at the top of a p4p list.. crickets.. even the long winded folks, crickets.. why can't we be real about it, the guy has not fought one opponent who had even a slightly reasonable chance to beat him, none. Part of that is his talent, the other part is not facing one true risk. Why is that so surprising, with Bob at the helm, or so hard to realize? Btw, that gimp leg Benavidez could have easily been up after 5 rounds that was nothing close to dominant until he caught him napping in the last round. This guy is getting praised a lot when guys like Usyk, Canelo, Loma, Garcia are doing far more and taking much bigger risks. So, the question is why.

[Onetimeonly]

Ip4p isn't a real thing. Hell, I've probably had him #1 for 3 years. His best wins at the time of the fights were probably postal & gamboa and neither has aged as well as he'd hope for. I think historical and divisional should be strictly on resume, p4p? Why? The talent is undeniable, he is a complete fighter in every way and though neither division was stacked he was the clear best fighter in two weight classes. My justification is I think he's the best fighter in the world. Collazo is a real ass fight. Gamboa was a pretty big fight, was he even favored? Going on the road to fight burns is risky as fornicate because of the judging. Postal was a beast until he wasn't. Same with Indongo(I never rated him).

[Ruthless-RKO]

I think Crawford is the goods and he's better than anyone at 147 or 154...

Hate replying to my own comment but I think I might be wrong about 154! Skill wise he's better than anyone there but he might just be a little bit too small to really break these guys down.

147 is as high as he’ll go tbh.. he won’t have any advantage at 154.. which is what boxers like now days. ADVANTAGE!

[Onetimeonly]

I think Crawford is the goods and he's better than anyone at 147 or 154...

Hate replying to my own comment but I think I might be wrong about 154! Skill wise he's better than anyone there but he might just be a little bit too small to really break these guys down.

147 is as high as he’ll go tbh.. he won’t have any advantage at 154.. which is what boxers like now days. ADVANTAGE!

He'd have advantages at 54. If their paths had crossed there he would beat canelo.

[Duran1970]

Crawford never cleaned out 135. He never fought Titere, Abril, or Figueroa. I don't even think he unified a single title there.

Titere and Abril were avoided, though. He fought better fighters at 135 than 140, but he didn't reach any level of undisputed at 135. Gamboa was Crawford's toughest fight and Beltran aged really well. The opposition post-135 has been pretty bad, but he has an excuse for 140. The competition just sucked. You didn't get Prograis, Taylor, Ramirez, and Mikey until after he left.

Crawford has no excuse for his opposition at 147 when it's pretty decent around the top 10, like Ugas. Ugas is just decent, though, nothing more.

Crawford's resume is extremely weak for a p4per, though.

Thank you..It's getting a bit much in here listening to this crap. If one more putz tries to celebrate these joke fights like Horn and gimp leg Benavidez, this officially becomes a TC fan club and no doubt a free t-shirt is in the works. I asked for ANYONE to explain justifying this guy at the top of a p4p list.. crickets.. even the long winded folks, crickets.. why can't we be real about it, the guy has not fought one opponent who had even a slightly reasonable chance to beat him, none. Part of that is his talent, the other part is not facing one true risk. Why is that so surprising, with Bob at the helm, or so hard to realize? Btw, that gimp leg Benavidez could have easily been up after 5 rounds that was nothing close to dominant until he caught him napping in the last round. This guy is getting praised a lot when guys like Usyk, Canelo, Loma, Garcia are doing far more and taking much bigger risks. So, the question is why.

I agree 100%...
Postol and indongo beasts? Now that's a reach .. . we'd all agree Crawf is a tremendous talent..but let's face facts he's fought nobody.......can't be p4p top... no way..and a Collazo fight won't change that

[Onetimeonly]

So when postal beat the shit out of the boogeyman mattysse and .Made him quit you weren't impressed. I know that I had a ton of conversations asking people to slow their role on indongo.

[Breaducce]

Crawford never cleaned out 135. He never fought Titere, Abril, or Figueroa. I don't even think he unified a single title there.

Titere and Abril were avoided, though. He fought better fighters at 135 than 140, but he didn't reach any level of undisputed at 135. Gamboa was Crawford's toughest fight and Beltran aged really well. The opposition post-135 has been pretty bad, but he has an excuse for 140. The competition just sucked. You didn't get Prograis, Taylor, Ramirez, and Mikey until after he left.

Crawford has no excuse for his opposition at 147 when it's pretty decent around the top 10, like Ugas. Ugas is just decent, though, nothing more.

Crawford's resume is extremely weak for a p4per, though.

Thank you..It's getting a bit much in here listening to this crap. If one more putz tries to celebrate these joke fights like Horn and gimp leg Benavidez, this officially becomes a TC fan club and no doubt a free t-shirt is in the works. I asked for ANYONE to explain justifying this guy at the top of a p4p list.. crickets.. even the long winded folks, crickets.. why can't we be real about it, the guy has not fought one opponent who had even a slightly reasonable chance to beat him, none. Part of that is his talent, the other part is not facing one true risk. Why is that so surprising, with Bob at the helm, or so hard to realize? Btw, that gimp leg Benavidez could have easily been up after 5 rounds that was nothing close to dominant until he caught him napping in the last round. This guy is getting praised a lot when guys like Usyk, Canelo, Loma, Garcia are doing far more and taking much bigger risks. So, the question is why.

I agree 100%...
Postol and indongo beasts? Now that's a reach .. . we'd all agree Crawf is a tremendous talent..but let's face facts he's fought nobody.......can't be p4p top... no way..and a Collazo fight won't change that

Agreed,.. Aint no one saying Crawford is not supremely skilled. But his resume is weak as hell . Prograis slapped around indongo, and Postol gets UD'd by Josh Taylor, and Gamboa was stopped Robinson Castellanos. Those are Crawfords top wins. So lets pump the breaks on this number one p4p nonsense. I was so frustrated when people were arguing for him to be above Andre Ward in the p4p rankings when Ward has fought murderer's row of Elite fighters at super middle weight, then went up and fought and defeated the boogieman of the division above him stopping him during the second fight. Man, people are nutz. When he fights someone elite at 147 and beats them, then give him credit but not before that.

[Breaducce]

I just love watching Bud operate. He did an FMJ most of the night and then did what FMJ so seldom did for many years, finish when he could have cakewalked.

I agree that we need him in with the rest of the best at 147.

ya, hes very good no doubt

but unlike floyd he hasnt faced really anything close to an elite fighter, let along several of them.

imagine if floyd in his prime and onto 32 years old was just repeatedly fighting guys like this, horn, indongo, postal, john molina, lundy, beltran, etc. some of that was down to 140 and 135 simply not being that strong when craw was there. thats not his fault, but it was the reality, and it meant very few interesting opponents

floyd did his thing at a higher level and that made it a bigger deal to me. ward did it at a higher level too. i just am finding it tought to stay too interested in these types of fights for craw, even if he does box very well in them. i appreciate his ability but there more to it then just that.

I disagree.

Canelo was green and drained, Pac was post planquiao, Maidana (twice), Ortiz, Berto, Cotto way over ripe, undersized JMM, Guerrero, Triggerless SSM, that little fella from the UK. Well timed cherry picking.

Just stop. Cotto, Canelo, JMM, SMM, Pac, Dela Hoya, are light years better wins, then anything on Crawfords resume. Tell me who on Crawfords resume has a better career then any of the above mentioned fighters that floyd beat. No one because Crawfords resume is thin, he has an opportunity to change that but don't ever throw rocks at the throne when you live in a glass house. lol green and drained Canelo, and Over ripe Cotto who went on to become the lineal middle weight champion wipes the floor with Crawfords entire resume.

[Onetimeonly]

Lomachenko is fighting similar opposition. Fair play as long as you're down on him too.