dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:36
Wilder - Fury (landed/thrown):
71/430 - 84/327 - so, according to this Wilder threw 103 punches MORE and Fury landed ONLY 13 punches more.
jabs: 40/248 - 46/223 - according to this, Fury threw 25 jabs LESS and landed ONLY 6 jabs more.
power punches: 31/182 - 38/104 - according to this, Wilder statistically threw like 6-7 power punches MORE EVERY ROUND than Fury.
What a joke.
I do not ever look at compubox stats. I do not need to. Wilder out threw, out landed, out boxed, did more damage, won more rounds, and he deserved that decision.
Fury landed nearly nothing for the first 6 rounds, then got knocked down twice in the second half.
Anyone who was blinded by the feints, the tongue wagging, and the commentary needs to go back and recognize reality. Fury did virtually zero damage. He land precious little of ANY substance. He did not throw enough to win any rounds.
It is literally as if Fury was scored every round that he was not knocked down.; as if that was the criteria for scoring.
Some people have admitted, on here, that they scored rounds for Fury because he made Wilder miss, completely ignoring the fact that he threw nearly nothing of any note for the entire first half of the fight.
Wilder not only made Fury miss, he intimidated him from throwing. Then when Fury started actually competing, he got knocked on his ass twice.
There might be one clear Fury round in that fight. The rest were shaded to him because he survived them and he was the superior . . .
jamamb wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 17:28
lol before the fight compubox was seriously trying to depict wilder as the most accurate boxer in the sport
Yeah I remember before the fight started they said something like "He lands at 40% in most of his fights"...that's absolute bullsh*t. He has NEVER landed 40% in any of his fights I've ever seen. Not even f*cking close.
Maybe some of those 1st round KO's or something, but usually he misses a sh*t load before he lands his money punch.
Thomastearns wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 11:01
If you see the overall result of the fight as cumulation of 12 small fights added together, each counting as one or 2 points, it's difficult to give it to Wilder.
However, seeing Fury down twice, esp heavily in the last, where the ref could easily have been worse, it's hard to give it to Fury.
I think Wilder shaded it because of those 2 knockdowns, but a draw's OK given the current scoring system.
The UK commentary from John Rawling and Barry Jones were hopelessly partisan as usual. By the end I had the volume almost switched off. Thankfully the studio team were well managed by Paul Dempsey and Steve Bunce kept things exciting as usual.
As for the judging, it's not an exact science, more of an interpretation. When Jimmy Lennon jr was announcing the results I was waiting for the British judge to give it to Fury -but he didn't.
Phil Edwards saw it 113-113.
3 men, 3 different views.
Very good post
Awful post more like. "If you see the overall result of the fight as cumulation of 12 small fights added together, each counting as one or 2 points, it's difficult to give it to Wilder."
So if you score boxing how boxing IS scored, on a round by round basis with one combatant gaining 10 points and the other 9 or fewer (in most cases) then Wilder lost. " However, seeing Fury down twice, esp heavily in the last, where the ref could easily have been worse, it's hard to give it to Fury." If however you make up your own arbitrary scoring method allowing for knockdown to count for more than - 1 point per round then Fury lost.
If Arsenal score a goal every 10 minutes against United but then conced 5 in the last 10 minutes United should win because they dominated that part of the game much more than Arsenal dominated any other part of it.
ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:07
I do not ever look at compubox stats. I do not need to. Wilder out threw, out landed, out boxed, did more damage, won more rounds, and he deserved that decision.
Fury landed nearly nothing for the first 6 rounds, then got knocked down twice in the second half.
Anyone who was blinded by the feints, the tongue wagging, and the commentary needs to go back and recognize reality. Fury did virtually zero damage. He land precious little of ANY substance. He did not throw enough to win any rounds.
It is literally as if Fury was scored every round that he was not knocked down.; as if that was the criteria for scoring.
Some people have admitted, on here, that they scored rounds for Fury because he made Wilder miss, completely ignoring the fact that he threw nearly nothing of any note for the entire first half of the fight.
Wilder not only made Fury miss, he intimidated him from throwing. Then when Fury started actually competing, he got knocked on his ass twice.
There might be one clear Fury round in that fight. The rest were shaded to him because he survived them and he was the superior . . .
Hola Alejandro Rochin, que tal estas?
I had it wider than Rochin did, scoring without commentary or Fury jockmites about.
8-4 Wilder for me. That’s 116-110 if you need the math done for you. I do admit there were several very close rounds, three of which I gave to Fury.
Just a two round swing would have made the rounds even. I can see where that could have been judged by others that way. Wilder still wins by two points in that scenario.
I remember Leonard-Hagler. When the fight ended I thought Leonard had won very easily. Looking back I realized I was swayed by the body language. Now I think Leonard won, but maybe only by a round or two. I think the same thing happened here. Fury, with the hands behind his back, the feints that didn't go anywhere, it looked like Fury was in charge. but these rounds, especially the first 4 or so were very close.
Fury deserves great credit for coming back from his problems and the knockdowns. especially the one in the last round. But that and his antics didn't give him the fight. I think 113-113 was fair. I had it that, even though the judge who had it that and I disagreed on 4 rounds. It was that close of a fight.
jamamb wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 21:28
lol i know right, come on tiny, i know you agree with any pro wilder tone, but no way is that a great post , it makes no sense
hes basically saying under the actual scoring sytem he cant see it for wilder, but as he scores it he can only see it for wilder
very good ?
Scoring each round as it's own fight and then adding the extra 2 points for the knockdown it is a draw.
Come on look at the rounds no way in he'll does Tyson win 10 rounds like some are saying.
No fuggin way
jamamb wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 21:28
lol i know right, come on tiny, i know you agree with any pro wilder tone, but no way is that a great post , it makes no sense
hes basically saying under the actual scoring sytem he cant see it for wilder, but as he scores it he can only see it for wilder
very good ?
Scoring each round as it's own fight and then adding the extra 2 points for the knockdown it is a draw.
Come on look at the rounds no way in he'll does Tyson win 10 rounds like some are saying.
No fuggin way
You don't get 2 extra points for a knockdown though and nor did he state such. He stated "If you see the overall result of the fight as [the] cumulation [sic] of 12 small fights added together, each counting as one or 2 points...". I think it's reasonable to infer that he's suggesting if the round winner gets 1 point unless he scores a knockdown in which case he gets 2 points, which is essentially how the 10 point must system works. If you think that knockdowns should cause 2 point swings then that's fine, but that isn't how boxing is scored.
Out of interest, how would you score Pacqiao/Marquez 1 using this system?
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:36
Wilder - Fury (landed/thrown):
71/430 - 84/327 - so, according to this Wilder threw 103 punches MORE and Fury landed ONLY 13 punches more.
jabs: 40/248 - 46/223 - according to this, Fury threw 25 jabs LESS and landed ONLY 6 jabs more.
power punches: 31/182 - 38/104 - according to this, Wilder statistically threw like 6-7 power punches MORE EVERY ROUND than Fury.
What a joke.
I do not ever look at compubox stats. I do not need to. Wilder out threw, out landed, out boxed, did more damage, won more rounds, and he deserved that decision.
Fury landed nearly nothing for the first 6 rounds, then got knocked down twice in the second half.
Anyone who was blinded by the feints, the tongue wagging, and the commentary needs to go back and recognize reality. Fury did virtually zero damage. He land precious little of ANY substance. He did not throw enough to win any rounds.
It is literally as if Fury was scored every round that he was not knocked down.; as if that was the criteria for scoring.
Some people have admitted, on here, that they scored rounds for Fury because he made Wilder miss, completely ignoring the fact that he threw nearly nothing of any note for the entire first half of the fight.
Wilder not only made Fury miss, he intimidated him from throwing. Then when Fury started actually competing, he got knocked on his ass twice.
There might be one clear Fury round in that fight. The rest were shaded to him because he survived them and he was the superior . . .
LOL Wilder looked absolutely clueless from the firts bell. He lost 111-115 on my card. Fury outboxed him easily even ater knockdowns.
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:36
Wilder - Fury (landed/thrown):
71/430 - 84/327 - so, according to this Wilder threw 103 punches MORE and Fury landed ONLY 13 punches more.
jabs: 40/248 - 46/223 - according to this, Fury threw 25 jabs LESS and landed ONLY 6 jabs more.
power punches: 31/182 - 38/104 - according to this, Wilder statistically threw like 6-7 power punches MORE EVERY ROUND than Fury.
What a joke.
Now I’ve been able to review the round-by-round CompuBox punch stats, rather than the aggregated totals that you're complaining about, they seem to reflect my perception as to how the fight played out.
Wilder did indeed throw many more speculative shots than Fury for six of the final eight rounds (i.e. 5, 7, 8, 9, 11 & 12), but the Brit was far more efficient and accurate:
I feel you’re making a mountain out of a molehill.
i just think that these stats are wrong and fake just like the stats for the AJ vs Povetkin fight. I will check this out rewatching this fight in slow motion when i'll have enough time
i have still not rewatched this fight but as far as i remember in round 10 Wilder threw no more than 25 punches, but i think that he connected more than one, at least 3-4.
Fury connected only 2 jabs in round 10? no way imo, he connected more, easily.
dagilechia wrote: ↑03 Dec 2018, 07:28
i have still not rewatched this fight but as far as i remember in round 10 Wilder threw no more than 25 punches, but i think that he connected more than one, at least 3-4.
Fury connected only 2 jabs in round 10? no way imo, he connected more, easily.
TBH, whether his swings land, who knows. a lot missed, but 1 landed the whole round seems incorrect,
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:36
Wilder - Fury (landed/thrown):
71/430 - 84/327 - so, according to this Wilder threw 103 punches MORE and Fury landed ONLY 13 punches more.
jabs: 40/248 - 46/223 - according to this, Fury threw 25 jabs LESS and landed ONLY 6 jabs more.
power punches: 31/182 - 38/104 - according to this, Wilder statistically threw like 6-7 power punches MORE EVERY ROUND than Fury.
What a joke.
I do not ever look at compubox stats. I do not need to. Wilder out threw, out landed, out boxed, did more damage, won more rounds, and he deserved that decision.
Fury landed nearly nothing for the first 6 rounds, then got knocked down twice in the second half.
Anyone who was blinded by the feints, the tongue wagging, and the commentary needs to go back and recognize reality. Fury did virtually zero damage. He land precious little of ANY substance. He did not throw enough to win any rounds.
It is literally as if Fury was scored every round that he was not knocked down.; as if that was the criteria for scoring.
Some people have admitted, on here, that they scored rounds for Fury because he made Wilder miss, completely ignoring the fact that he threw nearly nothing of any note for the entire first half of the fight.
Wilder not only made Fury miss, he intimidated him from throwing. Then when Fury started actually competing, he got knocked on his ass twice.
There might be one clear Fury round in that fight. The rest were shaded to him because he survived them and he was the superior . . .
Over 1000 posts and you're still an utter idiot well done
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:36
Wilder - Fury (landed/thrown):
71/430 - 84/327 - so, according to this Wilder threw 103 punches MORE and Fury landed ONLY 13 punches more.
jabs: 40/248 - 46/223 - according to this, Fury threw 25 jabs LESS and landed ONLY 6 jabs more.
power punches: 31/182 - 38/104 - according to this, Wilder statistically threw like 6-7 power punches MORE EVERY ROUND than Fury.
What a joke.
I do not ever look at compubox stats. I do not need to. Wilder out threw, out landed, out boxed, did more damage, won more rounds, and he deserved that decision.
Fury landed nearly nothing for the first 6 rounds, then got knocked down twice in the second half.
Anyone who was blinded by the feints, the tongue wagging, and the commentary needs to go back and recognize reality. Fury did virtually zero damage. He land precious little of ANY substance. He did not throw enough to win any rounds.
It is literally as if Fury was scored every round that he was not knocked down.; as if that was the criteria for scoring.
Some people have admitted, on here, that they scored rounds for Fury because he made Wilder miss, completely ignoring the fact that he threw nearly nothing of any note for the entire first half of the fight.
Wilder not only made Fury miss, he intimidated him from throwing. Then when Fury started actually competing, he got knocked on his ass twice.
There might be one clear Fury round in that fight. The rest were shaded to him because he survived them and he was the superior . . .
Over 1000 posts and you're still an utter idiot well done
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:36
Wilder - Fury (landed/thrown):
71/430 - 84/327 - so, according to this Wilder threw 103 punches MORE and Fury landed ONLY 13 punches more.
jabs: 40/248 - 46/223 - according to this, Fury threw 25 jabs LESS and landed ONLY 6 jabs more.
power punches: 31/182 - 38/104 - according to this, Wilder statistically threw like 6-7 power punches MORE EVERY ROUND than Fury.
What a joke.
They try to get you to think that Punchstat is something that is scientifically calculated in some way by giving it a technical sounding name, but in reality it is something just as biased and phony as their judge decisions.
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:36
Wilder - Fury (landed/thrown):
71/430 - 84/327 - so, according to this Wilder threw 103 punches MORE and Fury landed ONLY 13 punches more.
jabs: 40/248 - 46/223 - according to this, Fury threw 25 jabs LESS and landed ONLY 6 jabs more.
power punches: 31/182 - 38/104 - according to this, Wilder statistically threw like 6-7 power punches MORE EVERY ROUND than Fury.
What a joke.
I do not ever look at compubox stats. I do not need to. Wilder out threw, out landed, out boxed, did more damage, won more rounds, and he deserved that decision.
Fury landed nearly nothing for the first 6 rounds, then got knocked down twice in the second half.
Anyone who was blinded by the feints, the tongue wagging, and the commentary needs to go back and recognize reality. Fury did virtually zero damage. He land precious little of ANY substance. He did not throw enough to win any rounds.
It is literally as if Fury was scored every round that he was not knocked down.; as if that was the criteria for scoring.
Some people have admitted, on here, that they scored rounds for Fury because he made Wilder miss, completely ignoring the fact that he threw nearly nothing of any note for the entire first half of the fight.
Wilder not only made Fury miss, he intimidated him from throwing. Then when Fury started actually competing, he got knocked on his ass twice.
There might be one clear Fury round in that fight. The rest were shaded to him because he survived them and he was the superior . . .
LOL Wilder looked absolutely clueless from the firts bell. He lost 111-115 on my card. Fury outboxed him easily even ater knockdowns.
I had it wider than Rochin did, scoring without commentary or Fury jockmites about.
8-4 Wilder for me. That’s 116-110 if you need the math done for you. I do admit there were several very close rounds, three of which I gave to Fury.
Just a two round swing would have made the rounds even. I can see where that could have been judged by others that way. Wilder still wins by two points in that scenario.
I remember Leonard-Hagler. When the fight ended I thought Leonard had won very easily. Looking back I realized I was swayed by the body language. Now I think Leonard won, but maybe only by a round or two. I think the same thing happened here. Fury, with the hands behind his back, the feints that didn't go anywhere, it looked like Fury was in charge. but these rounds, especially the first 4 or so were very close.
Fury deserves great credit for coming back from his problems and the knockdowns. especially the one in the last round. But that and his antics didn't give him the fight. I think 113-113 was fair. I had it that, even though the judge who had it that and I disagreed on 4 rounds. It was that close of a fight.
I agree that a draw is reasonable (barely). I think that any of the ten rounds that Fury did not end up on his ass could have been scored 10-10. I scored more of those rounds for Wilder.
dagilechia wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 08:36
Wilder - Fury (landed/thrown):
71/430 - 84/327 - so, according to this Wilder threw 103 punches MORE and Fury landed ONLY 13 punches more.
jabs: 40/248 - 46/223 - according to this, Fury threw 25 jabs LESS and landed ONLY 6 jabs more.
power punches: 31/182 - 38/104 - according to this, Wilder statistically threw like 6-7 power punches MORE EVERY ROUND than Fury.
What a joke.
I do not ever look at compubox stats. I do not need to. Wilder out threw, out landed, out boxed, did more damage, won more rounds, and he deserved that decision.
Fury landed nearly nothing for the first 6 rounds, then got knocked down twice in the second half.
Anyone who was blinded by the feints, the tongue wagging, and the commentary needs to go back and recognize reality. Fury did virtually zero damage. He land precious little of ANY substance. He did not throw enough to win any rounds.
It is literally as if Fury was scored every round that he was not knocked down.; as if that was the criteria for scoring.
Some people have admitted, on here, that they scored rounds for Fury because he made Wilder miss, completely ignoring the fact that he threw nearly nothing of any note for the entire first half of the fight.
Wilder not only made Fury miss, he intimidated him from throwing. Then when Fury started actually competing, he got knocked on his ass twice.
There might be one clear Fury round in that fight. The rest were shaded to him because he survived them and he was the superior . . .
ironbeard wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 09:32
I had it wider than Rochin did, scoring without commentary or Fury jockmites about.
8-4 Wilder for me. That’s 116-110 if you need the math done for you. I do admit there were several very close rounds, three of which I gave to Fury.
Just a two round swing would have made the rounds even. I can see where that could have been judged by others that way. Wilder still wins by two points in that scenario.
I remember Leonard-Hagler. When the fight ended I thought Leonard had won very easily. Looking back I realized I was swayed by the body language. Now I think Leonard won, but maybe only by a round or two. I think the same thing happened here. Fury, with the hands behind his back, the feints that didn't go anywhere, it looked like Fury was in charge. but these rounds, especially the first 4 or so were very close.
Fury deserves great credit for coming back from his problems and the knockdowns. especially the one in the last round. But that and his antics didn't give him the fight. I think 113-113 was fair. I had it that, even though the judge who had it that and I disagreed on 4 rounds. It was that close of a fight.
I agree that a draw is reasonable (barely). I think that any of the ten rounds that Fury did not end up on his ass could have been scored 10-10. I scored more of those rounds for Wilder.
Paulie Maganelli talked like the Wilder judge was the most crooked guy in the world just like people talked about the Leonard judge who had it something like 10-2 over Hagler. in both fights, these rounds were very close.
It's funny how I can be a "fanboy" for Wilder based on one fight when up until now I've loudly and vocally hated on him pretty hard
True. Same here, but I am a fan of both fighters now.
I still dislike 'em both. I'd root for Wilder only against Fury, and I'll root for Fury against nobody.
Fair enough. I appreciate both of them as boxers. Fury has worked very hard to redeem himself. I think that he deserves credit for that. Wilder has had an excellent career (though clearly protected until recently). He takes his profession very seriously. He is always in top physical condition. He seems to be a good father.
