Wilder vs. Fury: Boxing Insiders Scores

[skanksta]

Bad decision ? Yes definitely - because most think Fury won.

Robbery ? No - it was close, some scored draws and a few even had Wilder.

I can think of 10 worse decisions off the top of my head. With some googling and an Allegedly channel phone-in it would reach a hundred in no time.

[jamamb]

draw was feasible but imo absolute best case for wilder

[forcefraser]

It's simples. To get a draw wilder needed to win 3 of the non knockown rounds.

He didn't do that in my book. He won 2 and lost 114-112

[Oiky]

A draw was ridiculous

An that backward who had the first 4rounds for wilder shouldn't even be allowed to watch boxing in his front room again

[Ricky]

A draw was ridiculous

An that backward who had the first 4rounds for wilder shouldn't even be allowed to watch boxing in his front room again

Fury clearly won round 3, but i thought Wilder won 1, 2 & 4.

But how upset can you really get over the scoring of rounds which had around 7 scoring shots land - the outrage over the cards is laughable. The rounds were shitty, and close.

[oogiebe]

A draw was ridiculous

An that backward who had the first 4rounds for wilder shouldn't even be allowed to watch boxing in his front room again

I didn't see the fight, Oiky, but from all that I've read, the first four rounds were so very close they could've gone either way. To be fair, the overwhelming majority of articles and pundits I read had the fight for Fury. I can't wait to see the fight for myself, so I can see first hand. Cheers!

[skanksta]

It's simples. To get a draw wilder needed to win 3 of the non knockown rounds.

He didn't do that in my book. He won 2 and lost 114-112

Same here - but if you're card is one switched round away from the result you can hardly cry robbery !?

[Ricky]

It's simples. To get a draw wilder needed to win 3 of the non knockown rounds.

He didn't do that in my book. He won 2 and lost 114-112

Same here - but if you're card is one switched round away from the result you can hardly cry robbery !?

if you exclude round 9 & 12 (the KDs) of the remaining 10 rounds, 8 of them were very close in terms of the logged landed punches, within 2 i'm sure.

I'm convinced the cries of robbery are born entirely out of what i call "The Commentary Perception". If Barry Jones was flip flopping his scoring and saying the rounds were tight we wouldn't have the same controversy. Because he gave Fury pretty much every round, the casual lemmings take it as gospel.

[oogiebe]

It's simples. To get a draw wilder needed to win 3 of the non knockown rounds.

He didn't do that in my book. He won 2 and lost 114-112

Same here - but if you're card is one switched round away from the result you can hardly cry robbery !?

Fair point! 100%

[jamamb]

maybe you like also being contradictory mate? like that 9-3 broner 'masterclass' over vargas card you had, or apparently pac beating mayweather

'oh but lol at everyone following the general perception, look at me im different!'

[Ricky]

maybe you like also being contradictory mate? like that 9-3 broner 'masterclass' over vargas card you had, or apparently pac beating mayweather

'oh but lol at everyone following the general perception, look at me im different!'

Nothing to do with being different, and I openly admit i much prefer the aggressor who holds the center of the ring. Much of scoring is making a judgement call as to which punches land, and how effective they are when they land. Broner is a guy who can be out-worked but his punching is sharp and effective. Mayweather is a sharp puncher for sure, but his negativity is regularly rewarded when it should be punished. It's the same situation here, Fury was overly negative. If 2 guys land the same amount of punches, I'm not giving the round to the guy who is on his bike, doing everything to avoid engaging, pawing out a scaredy-cat arm punch every 30 seconds.

It's no surprise either that the Mexican judge awarded the fight to the aggressor. Mexico and Latinos have a brilliant fighting culture. Too many Brits and Americans think they're are some kind of aficionados because they fawn over a guy that bobs and weaves around the ring - even if his own offense is non-existent, such is the case with Fury.

[adislav123]

Guys who score it to a draw for themselves (which i don't get to, no matter how favouring i look upon wilder's performance, he just didn't remotely deserve to be given that many rounds with how much good will ever) & conclude the fight rightfully scored as a draw consisting of 3 scorecards just make no sense whatsoever. There is still that atrocious corrupt scorecard for wilder.

Scoring the fight as a draw for yourself doesn't justify the fight result being a draw which only comes about with the one card scoring the fight wrongfully for wilder, which is unreasonable and not to justify too.

Even if i could find myself the rounds for wilder to score it a draw, doesn't make the fightresult of a draw consisting of 3 scores more acceptable, reasonable or right.

It is was it is & stays what it was, a judge paid to score a fight to his best ability, which isn't what he did, he was paid money on the side to manufacture a shameful scorecard in favor of wilder.

If the judge who scored it a draw was paid too to do so then you'd have the perfect fix. One honest judge who scored the fight the only right & reasonable way, which is for fury. FURY WITH NO CHANCE TO GET THE DECISION, THE DRAW PREDETERMINED, MANUFACTURED AS THE ONLY POSSIBLE RESULT with 2 judges in your pocket, 1 for wilder, 1 a draw, A DRAW.

[ewenhay]

Guys who score it to a draw for themselves (which i don't get to, no matter how favouring i look upon wilder's performance, he just didn't remotely deserve to be given that many rounds with how much good will ever) & conclude the fight rightfully scored as a draw consisting of 3 scorecards just make no sense whatsoever. There is still that atrocious corrupt scorecard for wilder.

Scoring the fight as a draw for yourself doesn't justify the fight result being a draw which only comes about with the one card scoring the fight wrongfully for wilder, which is unreasonable and not to justify too.

Even if i could find myself the rounds for wilder to score it a draw, doesn't make the fightresult of a draw consisting of 3 scores more acceptable, reasonable or right.

It is was it is & stays what it was, a judge paid to score a fight to his best ability, which isn't what he did, he was paid money on the side to manufacture a shameful scorecard in favor of wilder.

If the judge who scored it a draw was paid too to do so then you'd have the perfect fix. One honest judge who scored the fight the only right & reasonable way, which is for fury. FURY WITH NO CHANCE TO GET THE DECISION, THE DRAW PREDETERMINED, MANUFACTURED AS THE ONLY POSSIBLE RESULT with 2 judges in your pocket, 1 for wilder, 1 a draw, A DRAW.

Someone else already covered this by pointing out that if Fury had stayed on his feet in the 12th he would have won therefore ruling out any conspiracy. If you wanted to post a drawn card you wouldn't allow your card to have as much as 2 points between the fighters going into the last

[Boxerbeetle]

I posted about halfway through the RBR thread that scores would be all over the place. Too many rounds where just not much happened.

[Oiky]

A draw was ridiculous

An that backward who had the first 4rounds for wilder shouldn't even be allowed to watch boxing in his front room again

I didn't see the fight, Oiky, but from all that I've read, the first four rounds were so very close they could've gone either way. To be fair, the overwhelming majority of articles and pundits I read had the fight for Fury. I can't wait to see the fight for myself, so I can see first hand. Cheers!

Let us know what you think after

[skanksta]

I posted about halfway through the RBR thread that scores would be all over the place. Too many rounds where just not much happened.

I remember posting something similar, like "R3 was definitely Fury, but hard to score the others" about R4-5.

[adislav123]

Guys who score it to a draw for themselves (which i don't get to, no matter how favouring i look upon wilder's performance, he just didn't remotely deserve to be given that many rounds with how much good will ever) & conclude the fight rightfully scored as a draw consisting of 3 scorecards just make no sense whatsoever. There is still that atrocious corrupt scorecard for wilder.

Scoring the fight as a draw for yourself doesn't justify the fight result being a draw which only comes about with the one card scoring the fight wrongfully for wilder, which is unreasonable and not to justify too.

Even if i could find myself the rounds for wilder to score it a draw, doesn't make the fightresult of a draw consisting of 3 scores more acceptable, reasonable or right.

It is was it is & stays what it was, a judge paid to score a fight to his best ability, which isn't what he did, he was paid money on the side to manufacture a shameful scorecard in favor of wilder.

If the judge who scored it a draw was paid too to do so then you'd have the perfect fix. One honest judge who scored the fight the only right & reasonable way, which is for fury. FURY WITH NO CHANCE TO GET THE DECISION, THE DRAW PREDETERMINED, MANUFACTURED AS THE ONLY POSSIBLE RESULT with 2 judges in your pocket, 1 for wilder, 1 a draw, A DRAW.

Someone else already covered this by pointing out that if Fury had stayed on his feet in the 12th he would have won therefore ruling out any conspiracy. If you wanted to post a drawn card you wouldn't allow your card to have as much as 2 points between the fighters going into the last

Of course you would do exactly that, Expecting fury to do nothing but stay away & survive to secure to "win" the fight ( in his mind & rightfully so) AND wilder puttibg everything on the line, chasing fury, going for the knockout. How would such a round be scored even without a knock down? 10-8.

[Bard of Boxrec]

A draw was ridiculous

An that backward who had the first 4rounds for wilder shouldn't even be allowed to watch boxing in his front room again

Fury clearly won round 3, but i thought Wilder won 1, 2 & 4.

But how upset can you really get over the scoring of rounds which had around 7 scoring shots land - the outrage over the cards is laughable. The rounds were shitty, and close.

Some people just have a hardon for the ‘boxer beating puncher’ narrative. This also had the added ‘what a story if he does it!’ narrative. People get emotional when scoring, fury has a lot of particularly passionate fans so I guess it’s understandable to let your emotions get the better of reason. This led people to see a master class that didn’t exist.

I actually scored it for fury but it was very close and a draw is fine.

[Bard of Boxrec]

A draw was ridiculous

An that backward who had the first 4rounds for wilder shouldn't even be allowed to watch boxing in his front room again

Fury clearly won round 3, but i thought Wilder won 1, 2 & 4.

But how upset can you really get over the scoring of rounds which had around 7 scoring shots land - the outrage over the cards is laughable. The rounds were shitty, and close.

Some people just have a hardon for the ‘boxer beating puncher’ narrative. This also had the added ‘what a story if he does it!’ narrative. People get emotional when scoring, fury has a lot of particularly passionate fans so I guess it’s understandable to let your emotions get the better of reason. This led people to see a master class that didn’t exist.

I actually scored it for fury but it was very close and a draw is fine.

[ewenhay]

Guys who score it to a draw for themselves (which i don't get to, no matter how favouring i look upon wilder's performance, he just didn't remotely deserve to be given that many rounds with how much good will ever) & conclude the fight rightfully scored as a draw consisting of 3 scorecards just make no sense whatsoever. There is still that atrocious corrupt scorecard for wilder.

Scoring the fight as a draw for yourself doesn't justify the fight result being a draw which only comes about with the one card scoring the fight wrongfully for wilder, which is unreasonable and not to justify too.

Even if i could find myself the rounds for wilder to score it a draw, doesn't make the fightresult of a draw consisting of 3 scores more acceptable, reasonable or right.

It is was it is & stays what it was, a judge paid to score a fight to his best ability, which isn't what he did, he was paid money on the side to manufacture a shameful scorecard in favor of wilder.

If the judge who scored it a draw was paid too to do so then you'd have the perfect fix. One honest judge who scored the fight the only right & reasonable way, which is for fury. FURY WITH NO CHANCE TO GET THE DECISION, THE DRAW PREDETERMINED, MANUFACTURED AS THE ONLY POSSIBLE RESULT with 2 judges in your pocket, 1 for wilder, 1 a draw, A DRAW.

Someone else already covered this by pointing out that if Fury had stayed on his feet in the 12th he would have won therefore ruling out any conspiracy. If you wanted to post a drawn card you wouldn't allow your card to have as much as 2 points between the fighters going into the last

Of course you would do exactly that, Expecting fury to do nothing but stay away & survive to secure to "win" the fight ( in his mind & rightfully so) AND wilder puttibg everything on the line, chasing fury, going for the knockout. How would such a round be scored even without a knock down? 10-8.

No judge would dare score such a round 10-8.

[skanksta]

You know...

I think the biggest "Robbery" I've seen was HUGHIE Fury vs Parker.
I scored that 119-110 (1 even) for Hughie - and he lost !!

I still didn't moan about it because it's subjective. FOR ME Hughie was indeed, "shades of Ali" as he made Parker look like a dumb lumbering oaf for most of the fight.
BUT I totally get someone watching the same fight and saying, "Hughie never threw a meaningful blow - at least Joe Parker was trying to FIGHT.

Tyson hits harder obviously, but this was similar. Tyson for me was winning most of the rounds, but on my card you only had to change ONE ROUND to get a draw. So...
NOT a "robbery"

Still think the Mexican was paid off tho'

[ewenhay]

You know...

I think the biggest "Robbery" I've seen was HUGHIE Fury vs Parker.
I scored that 119-110 (1 even) for Hughie - and he lost !!

I still didn't moan about it because it's subjective. FOR ME Hughie was indeed, "shades of Ali" as he made Parker look like a dumb lumbering oaf for most of the fight.
BUT I totally get someone watching the same fight and saying, "Hughie never threw a meaningful blow - at least Joe Parker was trying to FIGHT.

Tyson hits harder obviously, but this was similar. Tyson for me was winning most of the rounds, but on my card you only had to change ONE ROUND to get a draw. So...
NOT a "robbery"

Still think the Mexican was paid off tho'

That's the thing though a lot of people just can't score a fight properly and score for the guy coming forward even if he isn't landing anything just because that's the style they like.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I've said it before. I enjoyed watching the fight. But it was a damn horrible one to score.

[TheLeprechaun]

fury was out beat the count, the ref used a regular procedure to make sure fury is able to defend himself, no extra time, nothing shady whatsoever.

Wilder was out on his feet, stumbled in his corner then after the regular break, the ref sends ortiz who's ready to finish the job to the neutral corner & the doctors check god knows what on wilder, which they should've done if found necessary during the break. Extra time for wilder, shady as poo.

The Wilder Ortiz incident was a disgrace. Why do people think you automatically favour the other fighter? I'd be saying the same thing if Wilder got 22 seconds to recover from a knockdown. Reiss could have given Fury 200 seconds to recover and nobody on here would have a problem. it was disgraceful officiating end of.

As for the scoring, fury didn't win 8 of the rounds clearly in my view. I wouldn't even argue with a draw (fury winning 7 rounds to wilders 3)

I can back up what I say with the rounds I think Wilder won. I would say he won the first and seventh for sure. You could give him the 2nd or the 6th pretty easily. I do think Fury actually probably won the rounds that he was put down in to an extent but they are still 10-8 rounds.

[Ricky]

Guys who score it to a draw for themselves (which i don't get to, no matter how favouring i look upon wilder's performance, he just didn't remotely deserve to be given that many rounds with how much good will ever) & conclude the fight rightfully scored as a draw consisting of 3 scorecards just make no sense whatsoever. There is still that atrocious corrupt scorecard for wilder.

Scoring the fight as a draw for yourself doesn't justify the fight result being a draw which only comes about with the one card scoring the fight wrongfully for wilder, which is unreasonable and not to justify too.

Even if i could find myself the rounds for wilder to score it a draw, doesn't make the fightresult of a draw consisting of 3 scores more acceptable, reasonable or right.

It is was it is & stays what it was, a judge paid to score a fight to his best ability, which isn't what he did, he was paid money on the side to manufacture a shameful scorecard in favor of wilder.

If the judge who scored it a draw was paid too to do so then you'd have the perfect fix. One honest judge who scored the fight the only right & reasonable way, which is for fury. FURY WITH NO CHANCE TO GET THE DECISION, THE DRAW PREDETERMINED, MANUFACTURED AS THE ONLY POSSIBLE RESULT with 2 judges in your pocket, 1 for wilder, 1 a draw, A DRAW.

What gibberish.