FURY VS WILDER POLL
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The poll says it all. Overwhelming to Fury. I'm going to watch the fight again tonight after scoring it a draw the first time.
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You need to rewatch because Wilder did nothing the 3rd and the 6th.godosin wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 17:01I watched it nth number times so I'm right, argument. I've seen it a few times as well buddy, but the first six rounds could go to either one. On second viewing I would say I might have given the third and sixth to Wilder, it just depends on how you judge the first six rounds. I thought Fury won, but just because many people agree with me doesn't mean I'm right.Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 01:14 Okay, this is getting ridiculous. The poll is 100% accurate. Fury won that fight easily.
I rewatched it. Only rounds I could give Wilder are the two knockdowns and round 2, which was closer. If you want to stretch, you can *maybe* give him round 4, which was less close than round 2. There is no argument for any of the other rounds. I've watched this two times. Fury's defense was ridiculous throughout the fight. Wilder landed nothing outside of the knockdowns.
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Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 22:32You need to rewatch because Wilder did nothing the 3rd and the 6th.godosin wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 17:01I watched it nth number times so I'm right, argument. I've seen it a few times as well buddy, but the first six rounds could go to either one. On second viewing I would say I might have given the third and sixth to Wilder, it just depends on how you judge the first six rounds. I thought Fury won, but just because many people agree with me doesn't mean I'm right.Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 01:14 Okay, this is getting ridiculous. The poll is 100% accurate. Fury won that fight easily.
I rewatched it. Only rounds I could give Wilder are the two knockdowns and round 2, which was closer. If you want to stretch, you can *maybe* give him round 4, which was less close than round 2. There is no argument for any of the other rounds. I've watched this two times. Fury's defense was ridiculous throughout the fight. Wilder landed nothing outside of the knockdowns.
What the F did Fury do in ANY if the rounds? Seriously, the crying over the cards in this fight is ridiculous. You have to be bias as fvck to criticise Wilder for not doing enough yet somehow believe Fury was.
I don't mind a Fury scorecard, but if he won the rounds he won them by edging the close ones in a fight he stunk out.
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So a fighter needs to be exciting to win? WTF was Wilder doing that was exciting other than clearly missing shots. Let's say neither fighter landed nothing, Fury wins anyways because his defense and ring generalship were on point. The fight happened when and where he wanted it to happen and he got the better of Wilder.RKY wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 23:25Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 22:32You need to rewatch because Wilder did nothing the 3rd and the 6th.godosin wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 17:01
I watched it nth number times so I'm right, argument. I've seen it a few times as well buddy, but the first six rounds could go to either one. On second viewing I would say I might have given the third and sixth to Wilder, it just depends on how you judge the first six rounds. I thought Fury won, but just because many people agree with me doesn't mean I'm right.
What the F did Fury do in ANY if the rounds? Seriously, the crying over the cards in this fight is ridiculous. You have to be bias as fvck to criticise Wilder for not doing enough yet somehow believe Fury was.
I don't mind a Fury scorecard, but if he won the rounds he won them by edging the close ones in a fight he stunk out.
You seem to be biased against Fury is all. Look at the damn poll and look everywhere else. Somehow you and a very small minority are in the right!? It's absurd to think that. On no planet did Wilder win or come close to drawing. It was clear that Fury got robbed.
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Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 23:37So a fighter needs to be exciting to win? WTF was Wilder doing that was exciting other than clearly missing shots. Let's say neither fighter landed nothing, Fury wins anyways because his defense and ring generalship were on point. The fight happened when and where he wanted it to happen and he got the better of Wilder.RKY wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 23:25
What the F did Fury do in ANY if the rounds? Seriously, the crying over the cards in this fight is ridiculous. You have to be bias as fvck to criticise Wilder for not doing enough yet somehow believe Fury was.
I don't mind a Fury scorecard, but if he won the rounds he won them by edging the close ones in a fight he stunk out.
You seem to be biased against Fury is all. Look at the damn poll and look everywhere else. Somehow you and a very small minority are in the right!? It's absurd to think that. On no planet did Wilder win or come close to drawing. It was clear that Fury got robbed.
You just explained you're own problem in a nutshell when you said "if no punches are landed Fury wins". Total BS. Fury stands his ground plenty when fights bums (on a regular basis). He was scared to engage with Wilder. The guy who is 50lb lighter held centre ring - he was the general.
You award Fury for doing nothing then criticise Wilder for... doing nothing. No wonder so many fans scorecards suck.
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So damn wrong. Someone scared to engage would not fight at the distance Fury was. Fury was right in front of Wilder all night. He wasn't being negative like Lara or Andrade. He was slipping punches beautifully and schooling Wilder, hence he was the ring general. He dictated the entire ring and where the fight took place. You are completely wrong and need to learn how to score fights.RKY wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 23:48Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 23:37So a fighter needs to be exciting to win? WTF was Wilder doing that was exciting other than clearly missing shots. Let's say neither fighter landed nothing, Fury wins anyways because his defense and ring generalship were on point. The fight happened when and where he wanted it to happen and he got the better of Wilder.RKY wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 23:25
What the F did Fury do in ANY if the rounds? Seriously, the crying over the cards in this fight is ridiculous. You have to be bias as fvck to criticise Wilder for not doing enough yet somehow believe Fury was.
I don't mind a Fury scorecard, but if he won the rounds he won them by edging the close ones in a fight he stunk out.
You seem to be biased against Fury is all. Look at the damn poll and look everywhere else. Somehow you and a very small minority are in the right!? It's absurd to think that. On no planet did Wilder win or come close to drawing. It was clear that Fury got robbed.
You just explained you're own problem in a nutshell when you said "if no punches are landed Fury wins". Total BS. Fury stands his ground plenty when fights bums (on a regular basis). He was scared to engage with Wilder. The guy who is 50lb lighter held centre ring - he was the general.
You award Fury for doing nothing then criticise Wilder for... doing nothing. No wonder so many fans scorecards suck.
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It's pretty hard to go down twice, espeically as hard as he did in that last round and then get your hand raised as the winner. I think a Fury win would have been harder for the crowd to accept than a Wilder win. Not because of the location, but simply of the optics of that last.....seemingly final KD. Most folks payin' for the tickets like the sputtering fireworks better than the quality heat.
Not sayin it's right, just sayin' it's so.
With that said, Fury probably should have taken it on points, but it would have been a very butt ugly win.
The rematch will be tricky.....if Fury's standing...he's going to win. Because what are the odds of that sort of last round oddity repeating itself. Wilder does have a hell of a hail mary goin' for him. Can't rule him out in any fight where he can land.
Not sayin it's right, just sayin' it's so.
With that said, Fury probably should have taken it on points, but it would have been a very butt ugly win.
The rematch will be tricky.....if Fury's standing...he's going to win. Because what are the odds of that sort of last round oddity repeating itself. Wilder does have a hell of a hail mary goin' for him. Can't rule him out in any fight where he can land.
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Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 23:53So damn wrong. Someone scared to engage would not fight at the distance Fury was. Fury was right in front of Wilder all night. He wasn't being negative like Lara or Andrade. He was slipping punches beautifully and schooling Wilder, hence he was the ring general. He dictated the entire ring and where the fight took place. You are completely wrong and need to learn how to score fights.RKY wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 23:48Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 23:37
So a fighter needs to be exciting to win? WTF was Wilder doing that was exciting other than clearly missing shots. Let's say neither fighter landed nothing, Fury wins anyways because his defense and ring generalship were on point. The fight happened when and where he wanted it to happen and he got the better of Wilder.
You seem to be biased against Fury is all. Look at the damn poll and look everywhere else. Somehow you and a very small minority are in the right!? It's absurd to think that. On no planet did Wilder win or come close to drawing. It was clear that Fury got robbed.
You just explained you're own problem in a nutshell when you said "if no punches are landed Fury wins". Total BS. Fury stands his ground plenty when fights bums (on a regular basis). He was scared to engage with Wilder. The guy who is 50lb lighter held centre ring - he was the general.
You award Fury for doing nothing then criticise Wilder for... doing nothing. No wonder so many fans scorecards suck.
You should change your name. Furys whole-load-of-nothing style would be a laughing stock in mehico.
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If that's what you think, but I've watched it multiple times, so I don't think Wilder did nothing. The only rounds I remember him doing barely anything in were the 7th, 8th, and 11th. Literally was screaming at him to do something.Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 22:32You need to rewatch because Wilder did nothing the 3rd and the 6th.godosin wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 17:01I watched it nth number times so I'm right, argument. I've seen it a few times as well buddy, but the first six rounds could go to either one. On second viewing I would say I might have given the third and sixth to Wilder, it just depends on how you judge the first six rounds. I thought Fury won, but just because many people agree with me doesn't mean I'm right.Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 01:14 Okay, this is getting ridiculous. The poll is 100% accurate. Fury won that fight easily.
I rewatched it. Only rounds I could give Wilder are the two knockdowns and round 2, which was closer. If you want to stretch, you can *maybe* give him round 4, which was less close than round 2. There is no argument for any of the other rounds. I've watched this two times. Fury's defense was ridiculous throughout the fight. Wilder landed nothing outside of the knockdowns.
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I watched the 3rd and the 6th again and here is what I see:Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 22:32You need to rewatch because Wilder did nothing the 3rd and the 6th.godosin wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 17:01I watched it nth number times so I'm right, argument. I've seen it a few times as well buddy, but the first six rounds could go to either one. On second viewing I would say I might have given the third and sixth to Wilder, it just depends on how you judge the first six rounds. I thought Fury won, but just because many people agree with me doesn't mean I'm right.Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 01:14 Okay, this is getting ridiculous. The poll is 100% accurate. Fury won that fight easily.
I rewatched it. Only rounds I could give Wilder are the two knockdowns and round 2, which was closer. If you want to stretch, you can *maybe* give him round 4, which was less close than round 2. There is no argument for any of the other rounds. I've watched this two times. Fury's defense was ridiculous throughout the fight. Wilder landed nothing outside of the knockdowns.
third round:
1:00 - Nothing really happens in the 1st minute of the round. Only thing I really see is Wilder landing a jab on Fury's face. Fury throws a few jabs, but they fall on Wilder's guard.
2:00 - Wilder gets a body shot in first 30 secs of this minute. Wilder goes for a wide right it lands on Fury's guard Fury counters misses with right(even though commentator thought it landed; viewed three times in one watching to make sure). Fury lands a left, but misses his right.
3:00 - Tyson throws a few jabs, which fall on guard. Wilder throws wide. Fury and Wilder exchange; Fury with body shot , Wilder left hook to head. Ends with clinching , followed by Wilder pounding Fury's head.
In my opinion this round could go to Wilder. He landed good body shots and defended against fury on several occasions. I ultimately gave this to Fury on my first viewing because of what transpired after the first minute, but it was such a brief moment that I don't think I can give him an entire round. Close round from my perspective.
Round six:
1:00 - Nothing really happens. Wilder lands a few body shots. Fury stiff arms Wilder a few times and maybe gets a jab or two in.
2:00 - Fury comes in with jabs, but Wilder blocks with a high guard. Wilder throws a right, which gets parried. Ref stops. Both immediately throw lefts, when ref walks back, and exchange. Both exchange again, but Wilder throws a second jab that seems to land on fury upper chest. Wilder ends with a left that lands on Fury's guard, but has him take a step back.
3:00 - Fury lands to body shots in first 15 seconds. Wilder takes a jab to the face next 15 seconds; Wilder throws a few jabs but seem to fall on guard. Wilder ends landing three jabs, and then seeming to hit Fury in the body before fury puts him in a headlock.
I think all of these rounds could go either way. I'll admit, I was mainly looking at what Wilder did, but mostly to show that Wilder could be given these rounds. Fury has good defense and I think can be given either round. In the end this is subjective, and I still think Fury won however I can see it either being seen as a draw or win for Wilder.
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The Gypsy King will be more ready to the rematch, cause he's a type of fighter to analyze mistakes and improve. Wilder is a one-deminsional fighter with poor ring IQ, he'll bring nothing new.BoxBuzz wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 00:15 It's pretty hard to go down twice, espeically as hard as he did in that last round and then get your hand raised as the winner. I think a Fury win would have been harder for the crowd to accept than a Wilder win. Not because of the location, but simply of the optics of that last.....seemingly final KD. Most folks payin' for the tickets like the sputtering fireworks better than the quality heat.
Not sayin it's right, just sayin' it's so.
With that said, Fury probably should have taken it on points, but it would have been a very butt ugly win.
The rematch will be tricky.....if Fury's standing...he's going to win. Because what are the odds of that sort of last round oddity repeating itself. Wilder does have a hell of a hail mary goin' for him. Can't rule him out in any fight where he can land.
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I don't think it would have been hard for the crowd to accept a Fury win at all. Just look at the poll. I haven't looked online for opinions overall. But I'm guessing the vast majority of observers online thought Fury deserved that win.BoxBuzz wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 00:15 It's pretty hard to go down twice, espeically as hard as he did in that last round and then get your hand raised as the winner. I think a Fury win would have been harder for the crowd to accept than a Wilder win. Not because of the location, but simply of the optics of that last.....seemingly final KD. Most folks payin' for the tickets like the sputtering fireworks better than the quality heat.
Not sayin it's right, just sayin' it's so.
With that said, Fury probably should have taken it on points, but it would have been a very butt ugly win.
The rematch will be tricky.....if Fury's standing...he's going to win. Because what are the odds of that sort of last round oddity repeating itself. Wilder does have a hell of a hail mary goin' for him. Can't rule him out in any fight where he can land.
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DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 04:03The Gypsy King will be more ready to the rematch, cause he's a type of fighter to analyze mistakes and improve. Wilder is a one-deminsional fighter with poor ring IQ, he'll bring nothing new.BoxBuzz wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 00:15 It's pretty hard to go down twice, espeically as hard as he did in that last round and then get your hand raised as the winner. I think a Fury win would have been harder for the crowd to accept than a Wilder win. Not because of the location, but simply of the optics of that last.....seemingly final KD. Most folks payin' for the tickets like the sputtering fireworks better than the quality heat.
Not sayin it's right, just sayin' it's so.
With that said, Fury probably should have taken it on points, but it would have been a very butt ugly win.
The rematch will be tricky.....if Fury's standing...he's going to win. Because what are the odds of that sort of last round oddity repeating itself. Wilder does have a hell of a hail mary goin' for him. Can't rule him out in any fight where he can land.
How many times did Wilder KD Fury in the first half? How many in the second half?
The only question now is how many in the rematch and when?
Fury has a lot more to lose in the rematch.
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Maybe your lack of respect for Fury is hilarious, especially acknowledging, that you're admitted Fury hater?ironbeard wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 09:33DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 04:03The Gypsy King will be more ready to the rematch, cause he's a type of fighter to analyze mistakes and improve. Wilder is a one-deminsional fighter with poor ring IQ, he'll bring nothing new.BoxBuzz wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 00:15 It's pretty hard to go down twice, espeically as hard as he did in that last round and then get your hand raised as the winner. I think a Fury win would have been harder for the crowd to accept than a Wilder win. Not because of the location, but simply of the optics of that last.....seemingly final KD. Most folks payin' for the tickets like the sputtering fireworks better than the quality heat.
Not sayin it's right, just sayin' it's so.
With that said, Fury probably should have taken it on points, but it would have been a very butt ugly win.
The rematch will be tricky.....if Fury's standing...he's going to win. Because what are the odds of that sort of last round oddity repeating itself. Wilder does have a hell of a hail mary goin' for him. Can't rule him out in any fight where he can land.Your lack of respect for Wilder is hilarious.
How many times did Wilder KD Fury in the first half? How many in the second half?
The only question now is how many in the rematch and when?
Fury has a lot more to lose in the rematch.
Wilder could have scored his biggest moments in the second half, but overall he looked worse, than in the first half.
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Most importantly, the judges did NOT have the opportunity to play it back, analyze minute by minute, count every punch, etc. Too many razor close, nearly nothing rounds that people banked carte blanche for Fury because he did not get knocked down.godosin wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 02:27I watched the 3rd and the 6th again and here is what I see:Mexi-Box wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 22:32You need to rewatch because Wilder did nothing the 3rd and the 6th.godosin wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018, 17:01
I watched it nth number times so I'm right, argument. I've seen it a few times as well buddy, but the first six rounds could go to either one. On second viewing I would say I might have given the third and sixth to Wilder, it just depends on how you judge the first six rounds. I thought Fury won, but just because many people agree with me doesn't mean I'm right.
third round:
1:00 - Nothing really happens in the 1st minute of the round. Only thing I really see is Wilder landing a jab on Fury's face. Fury throws a few jabs, but they fall on Wilder's guard.
2:00 - Wilder gets a body shot in first 30 secs of this minute. Wilder goes for a wide right it lands on Fury's guard Fury counters misses with right(even though commentator thought it landed; viewed three times in one watching to make sure). Fury lands a left, but misses his right.
3:00 - Tyson throws a few jabs, which fall on guard. Wilder throws wide. Fury and Wilder exchange; Fury with body shot , Wilder left hook to head. Ends with clinching , followed by Wilder pounding Fury's head.
In my opinion this round could go to Wilder. He landed good body shots and defended against fury on several occasions. I ultimately gave this to Fury on my first viewing because of what transpired after the first minute, but it was such a brief moment that I don't think I can give him an entire round. Close round from my perspective.
Round six:
1:00 - Nothing really happens. Wilder lands a few body shots. Fury stiff arms Wilder a few times and maybe gets a jab or two in.
2:00 - Fury comes in with jabs, but Wilder blocks with a high guard. Wilder throws a right, which gets parried. Ref stops. Both immediately throw lefts, when ref walks back, and exchange. Both exchange again, but Wilder throws a second jab that seems to land on fury upper chest. Wilder ends with a left that lands on Fury's guard, but has him take a step back.
3:00 - Fury lands to body shots in first 15 seconds. Wilder takes a jab to the face next 15 seconds; Wilder throws a few jabs but seem to fall on guard. Wilder ends landing three jabs, and then seeming to hit Fury in the body before fury puts him in a headlock.
I think all of these rounds could go either way. I'll admit, I was mainly looking at what Wilder did, but mostly to show that Wilder could be given these rounds. Fury has good defense and I think can be given either round. In the end this is subjective, and I still think Fury won however I can see it either being seen as a draw or win for Wilder.
The lack of respect for what Wilder accomplished in that ring that night is the travesty.
The draw was a fair decision, and not within screaming distance of being a robbery either way.
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My congratulations to you, as you brain is slowly cleaning from some toxic sh!t, that settled in it. First you was proclaiming Wilder a winner, now you name it a draw. Probably you'll recover soon and be enough sound to see The Gypsy King as a winner.
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I'll say it again. Everybody with an idea bout boxing knows that fury definitely won. Wilder objectively didn't win more than the knockdown rounds plus MAYBE 2 others. EVERYTHING ELSE is wrong.
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Absolutely right.adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 10:35 I'll say it again. Everybody with an idea bout boxing knows that fury definitely won. Wilder objectively didn't win more than the knockdown rounds plus MAYBE 2 others. EVERYTHING ELSE is wrong.
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Bozo and Ronald MacDonald have spoken.DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 10:37Absolutely right.adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 10:35 I'll say it again. Everybody with an idea bout boxing knows that fury definitely won. Wilder objectively didn't win more than the knockdown rounds plus MAYBE 2 others. EVERYTHING ELSE is wrong.
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Bozo and Ronald MacDonald are you dad and uncle.ironbeard wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 10:42Bozo and Ronald MacDonald have spoken.DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 10:37Absolutely right.adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 10:35 I'll say it again. Everybody with an idea bout boxing knows that fury definitely won. Wilder objectively didn't win more than the knockdown rounds plus MAYBE 2 others. EVERYTHING ELSE is wrong.![]()
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I still have it for Wilder, Bozo. I just acknowledge (again) that a draw was fair based on the fact that over half of the rounds could have been seen either way or even.
That is a balanced, objective assessment of a subjective decision, Bozo. Try it sometime.
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So much winning.
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The actual reason it was scored a draw. Quite a schooling Fury was doing there, from his back, again.RKY wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018, 10:47
So much winning.
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Pointing at the KD as at the reason for Wilder's win is possible only for Bozo's kid. C'mon, lil' clown, keep reviving your kin's legacy in this section!