top 10 british heavyweights of all time

[Jacopodb]

I'd pick the Klitschko that lost to Joshua to easily beat Bruno. What wins does Bruno have suggesting he is remotely near the level of even a faded Klitschko?

There's a merely physical/complexional/athletical issue: Joshua was pretty much at ease against athletes with inferior body-related assets, as Klitschko was by that time, having completely lost all of his former explosive power (as I've said, cellular memory can last a maximum of seven years -until proven wrong-, so Klitschko was already past his prime seven years earlier from the fight), so it was even nothing like 37-years old Floyd vs 35-years-old Pacman, when both were more reactive: there was a clear, utter athletic gap between AJ and old Wlad. Of course Joshua accused Wlad's experience, tactical wisdom and ring smarts: that tells you that if Kitschko was just a little less talented, but fit and young enough to meet exactly Joshua's body, like Bruno would do, AJ would be in trouble: Joshua's "conditio sine qua non" to win has always been meeting less-physically fit opponents. Bruno's McCall was still more fit and dangerous than Joshua's Wlad: how would you prove this wrong?

[Jacopodb]

You can reckon that Bernard Hopkins, for example, has faced and beaten considerably younger opponents, but as he grew too much past his prime, started cherry-picking smaller or nevertheless past-their-prime opponents to reckon with, losing to the just fairly-fit opponents he met.

Given Hopkins' immense craft and dirty-enough ring smarts (both higher than Wlad's), and the fact that he lived and trained like a monk, being easily the hardest-working man in the sport, if you consider his longevity/fitness ratio (I don't think that Wladimir could claim a similar discipline or achievements), and given all the above-stated concepts, you could understand why even a guy like Joshua could beat a guy like the such-old Wladimir Klitschko.

[Ambling Alp II]

go for bruno but the whole angle of bruno beating far far better opposition that puts him well beyond aj as a fighter is ridiculous

lol well bruno beat coetzee so therefore brunos superior to aj?

The win over is Coetzee is better than anything Joshua has done so far.
The win over McCall is better than anything Joshua has done so far.

Still waiting for Joshua to actually do something.

[oogiebe]

go for bruno but the whole angle of bruno beating far far better opposition that puts him well beyond aj as a fighter is ridiculous

lol well bruno beat coetzee so therefore brunos superior to aj?

The win over is Coetzee is better than anything Joshua has done so far.
The win over McCall is better than anything Joshua has done so far.

Still waiting for Joshua to actually do something.

McCall was in his prime at about 30 y/o at the time of the lopsided decision win for Bruno, so yes.

[Cojimar 1946]

Again neither of those wins are better than Joshua's wins over Wladimir Klitschko or Alexander Povetkin.

Look what Wladimir accomplished in his career, 9 year reign, 18 title defenses, that blows McCall and Coetzee out of the water easily.

[oogiebe]

Again neither of those wins are better than Joshua's wins over Wladimir Klitschko or Alexander Povetkin.

Look what Wladimir accomplished in his career, 9 year reign, 18 title defenses, that blows McCall and Coetzee out of the water easily.

I get it! BUT...it was a 41 y/o and a 39 y/o...get a grip. AJ isn't finished yet. Let's see in another few fights.

[Ambling Alp II]

Yes we have to look at the stage of a fighters career. Joshua should not get the credit that legends like Sanders and Brewster deserve for pulling off the miracle of stopping Wladimir Klitschko.

Povetkin- Really wasn't has been when Joshua beat him. He was a never was.

As for the 18 title defenses -We have to go the mathematical formula for title defenses. Take the number of title defenses and multiply it by zero. That number is how important the number of title defenses is.

[Jacopodb]

I don't even mean to argue anymore over this topic: the counters are still redundant, shallow (or just biased..?) enough, so I would repeat myself, pretty much.

[oogiebe]

I don't even mean to argue anymore over this topic: the counters are still redundant, shallow (or just biased..?) enough, so I would repeat myself, pretty much.

100% Next topic please.

[tiny_acres]

I hate to rate an active fighter in these categories. It is just not fair. What happens if Joshua wins 20 more in a row or gets knocked out in his next 5 fights?
Their career is still unknown at this stage

[oogiebe]

I hate to rate an active fighter in these categories. It is just not fair. What happens if Joshua wins 20 more in a row or gets knocked out in his next 5 fights?
Their career is still unknown at this stage

Thank you, that's what I've been saying!!!!

[Jacopodb]

I hate to rate an active fighter in these categories. It is just not fair. What happens if Joshua wins 20 more in a row or gets knocked out in his next 5 fights?
Their career is still unknown at this stage

That's plain common sense, for instance.

You might reckon, besides, that we could afford to rate a fighter also considering future perspectives, to some extent: there have been athletes more proficient than ones who have won more trophies than them.

[Cojimar 1946]

the gap between what Wladimir Klitschko accomplished in his career and what Bruno accomplished in his career is astronomical. Klitschko beat 6 times as many ranked contenders or more and was considered the number one heavy in the world for nine years. Any suggestion Bruno is even remotely close to being in the same stratosphere is frankly insane.

[tiny_acres]

the gap between what Wladimir Klitschko accomplished in his career and what Bruno accomplished in his career is astronomical. Klitschko beat 6 times as many ranked contenders or more and was considered the number one heavy in the world for nine years. Any suggestion Bruno is even remotely close to being in the same stratosphere is frankly insane.

But we are in the boxers of the past section of the forum.
You know the rose colored glasses forum

[oogiebe]

the gap between what Wladimir Klitschko accomplished in his career and what Bruno accomplished in his career is astronomical. Klitschko beat 6 times as many ranked contenders or more and was considered the number one heavy in the world for nine years. Any suggestion Bruno is even remotely close to being in the same stratosphere is frankly insane.

Fair points, BUT it's WHEN they fought. Wlad was 41 ffs. AJ didn't beat the Wlad that ruled the HW division for all those years. He fought an older; slower (imagine that); and less effective Wlad. Let's not waste anymore time on this, please.

[oogiebe]

the gap between what Wladimir Klitschko accomplished in his career and what Bruno accomplished in his career is astronomical. Klitschko beat 6 times as many ranked contenders or more and was considered the number one heavy in the world for nine years. Any suggestion Bruno is even remotely close to being in the same stratosphere is frankly insane.

But we are in the boxers of the past section of the forum.
You know the rose colored glasses forum

LMAO!, but UGH!!!!

[Cojimar 1946]

Moreover Coetzee was past his prime and badly out of shape against Bruno, if Povetkin and Klitschko being past their prime is an issue the same is true for Coetzee who hadn't scored a meaningful win since September 1983 (more than 2 years before he fought Bruno).

[oogiebe]

Moreover Coetzee was past his prime and badly out of shape against Bruno, if Povetkin and Klitschko being past their prime is an issue the same is true for Coetzee who hadn't scored a meaningful win since September 1983 (more than 2 years before he fought Bruno).

Fine.

[Ambling Alp II]

Not fine with me.
Are Ross Purrity, Corrie Sanders, and Lamon Brewster in Klitschko's stratosphere?

Coetzee has just turned 31 when he fought Bruno. He had won his last fight just six months previously.
Klitschko was 41 and had fought in 17 months and not won in two years.

[oogiebe]

Not fine with me.
Are Ross Purrity, Corrie Sanders, and Lamon Brewster in Klitschko's stratosphere?

Coetzee has just turned 31 when he fought Bruno. He had won his last fight just six months previously.
Klitschko was 41 and had fought in 17 months and not won in two years.

It was an ending to the conversation fine. I give up on him.

[Ambling Alp II]

Sorry, I guess I should too. He seems to think the sport began the day he became a fan.

[oogiebe]

Sorry, I guess I should too. He seems to think the sport began the day he became a fan.

That is the problem in history threads.

[Ambling Alp II]

It didn't used to be like this on this Forum. If you go several years you will see that often discussed fighters from way back with greater respect. fighters that fought long before any of us were fans or even born. Almost everyone seemed to have respect for what had happened before their time.

[oogiebe]

It didn't used to be like this on this Forum. If you go several years you will see that often discussed fighters from way back with greater respect. fighters that fought long before any of us were fans or even born. Almost everyone seemed to have respect for what had happened before their time.

Lots of newish posters don't yet see that there are a bunch of really amazing boxing historians posting here, (not me) who will call their shvt when they see it.

[tiny_acres]

Not fine with me.
Are Ross Purrity, Corrie Sanders, and Lamon Brewster in Klitschko's stratosphere?

Coetzee has just turned 31 when he fought Bruno. He had won his last fight just six months previously.
Klitschko was 41 and had fought in 17 months and not won in two years.

Boy I use the Klitschko example a bunch in current scene. I get bashed for saying he was past it when he faced Joshua.
People actually argue that was Wlad at his prime