The most overrated/underrated fighters on this forum (2018) ?

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Whyte is very overrated

I wouldn't say he's overrated.

The man has done everything asked of him in the last two years and is probably more deserving of a title shot than any other HW contender out there.

That is isn't overrating him, it's just acknowledging that he is on a good run and has the best resume of any of the HW contenders.

[caldo2025]

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[PUGLET]

Overrated: Joshua, Lomachenko, Usyk

Underrated: Tyson Fury,

[danconnollyeire]

I have no dilemma about the most overrated fighter on this forum - Brook.

I can not decide about the most underrated one, there are two fighters sharing the first position - T. Fury and Wilder.

What do you think about ?

Lol you think wilder is underrated? Wtf haha

[dagilechia]

yeah Wilder currently is even overrated

[ValMar]

yeah Wilder currently is even overrated

No, here, on this forum, Wilder is underrated (Fury, too).
Recently, I have a feeling that some US fighters, with great potential, are neglected (Davis and Prograis), obviously there are much more topics about the other fighters who are the level below the mentioned.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Overrated: Joshua, Lomachenko, Usyk

Underrated: Tyson Fury,

People might hype Loma and Usyk a lot but they’re not being overrated I don’t think.

[ValMar]

Overrated: Joshua, Lomachenko, Usyk

Underrated: Tyson Fury,

People might hype Loma and Usyk a lot but they’re not being overrated I don’t think.

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[tiny_acres]

Overrated: Joshua, Lomachenko, Usyk

Underrated: Tyson Fury,

People might hype Loma and Usyk a lot but they’re not being overrated I don’t think.

I think the over rating is in reference to the people already calling them p4p top 10 atg fighters.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Overrated: Joshua, Lomachenko, Usyk

Underrated: Tyson Fury,

People might hype Loma and Usyk a lot but they’re not being overrated I don’t think.

I think the over rating is in reference to the people already calling them p4p top 10 atg fighters.

Yeh. Let them finish their careers first. Also, they doing all the right things though.

[dagilechia]

prospect from english-speaking countries are usually overrated, those from other countries are usually underrated.

[KiwiRider]

prospect from english-speaking countries are usually overrated, those from other countries are usually underrated.

Nah. Have to disagree with you there, Daggie me old mate.
Folk on the forum have a diverse view of boxers from all over the world, that's one of the things I like about it. Boxer prospects coming up from the Eastern block countries, Japan, Mexico, and south east Asia often get a good word on here. Guys who watch a lot of the amateur boxing at the Euro/world/Olympic and commonwealth games often say good things about the ones who have success at those events turning pro, regardless of what countries they come from, and what language they speak. We speak the language of boxing

[dagilechia]

prospect from english-speaking countries are usually overrated, those from other countries are usually underrated.

Nah. Have to disagree with you there, Daggie me old mate.
Folk on the forum have a diverse view of boxers from all over the world, that's one of the things I like about it. Boxer prospects coming up from the Eastern block countries, Japan, Mexico, and south east Asia often get a good word on here. Guys who watch a lot of the amateur boxing at the Euro/world/Olympic and commonwealth games often say good things about the ones who have success at those events turning pro, regardless of what countries they come from, and what language they speak. We speak the language of boxing

Well, maybe i'm exaggerating because you are surely right with the fact that amateur credentials help East Euro fighters get hype but it's just because fighters from other countries do not have good credentials at all (USA doesn't exist in amateur boxing, Cubans can't turn to pro boxing, from the western countries only UK does well).. but the situation is different when you compare for example USA prospect with average/bad amateurs credentials vs East Euro prospect with average/bad amateurs credentials.

And as i said in other topic, Lucas Browne was (and still is) seen by some as a good fighter and legit contender, a lot of people had him in top 20, some even in top 15 or 10, in fact he is old, he has uninspiring record, he is a former PEDs user, imagine what would people say and think about 39 years old Lithuanian called Zigmantas Matulevicius, Hungarian Balazs Gyurcso or Polish Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz with the same record as Browne? my guess is a ''unknown 60 years old euro bum beater & juicer that was in a close fight vs another euro bum beater Rudenko and beat ancient and of course overrated Chagaev only because he was juicing''.

Or another example, even after Jacobs vs Sulecki a lot of people still seen potential Andrade vs Sulecki match up as not good or even one-sided and probably most of people a week ago seen Charlo as a fighter much better than Sulęcki. Of course i was saying before that it would be a close match-up and i doubt that Charlo is actually better same as i knew that Sulęcki will be a threat for Jacobs. I also think that if the fighter that fought Jacobs (Maciej Sulęcki) was called Mark Johnson instead and was American, it would be called a decent match-up and a test for both prospect Johnson and Jacobs.

But i have no problem with that, it's quite normal, I understand it that people hype more the fighters that they're more familiar with (there are very few, even on here, really hardcore fans that watch fights around the world, even those meaningless, so most of people are basing in most of cases on resume only and they seem to favour the fighter that they know more than the unknown guy) but being more hyped =/= better fighter. Some few people even seem like they think that english native speakers are most likely better fighters than others (maybe with the exception of Mexican/Hispanic fighters especially in the lower weights, but that's probably most of them are USA-based).

[jamamb]

i think there is an ignorance bias where ppl rate fighters lower the less theyve seen of them, and it is probably the case non english speaking boxers get seen less in english speaking countries, at least the ones who arent absolute top level like usyk, canelo, etc

so it might be a thing up until a certain level, but after a certain point i think theres actually a bias to overrate east euro/former soviet boxers

[danconnollyeire]

yeah Wilder currently is even overrated

No, here, on this forum, Wilder is underrated (Fury, too).
Recently, I have a feeling that some US fighters, with great potential, are neglected (Davis and Prograis), obviously there are much more topics about the other fighters who are the level below the mentioned.

Haha have you been eating those funny mushrooms?

[oogiebe]

i think there is an ignorance bias where ppl rate fighters lower the less theyve seen of them, and it is probably the case non english speaking boxers get seen less, at least the ones who arent absolute top level like usyk, canelo, etc

Part of that is probably that in the USA, we don't get exposed to European fighters so much. I have to go to youtube and other sites to get a look at most non-US boxing prospects and fringe contenders, which is frustrating and makes DAZN more alluring, thinking it'll help close that gap.

[jamamb]

davis fought once in 2018 and vs a nobody, of course there wasnt going to be much on him this year, and i say that as someone who really rates him

with americans there seems to be no unifying tendency , who they overrate or underrate depends a lot on whether the fan is a black american, white american etc, its just da truth from what ive seen all across forums, twitter, etc, other countries seem to get behind there fighters more simply for being from the same country

[dagilechia]

some people say that Usyk and Loma are overrated but imagine if they were Americans or at least native english speakers...

[oogiebe]

...haters...

[KiwiRider]

prospect from english-speaking countries are usually overrated, those from other countries are usually underrated.

Nah. Have to disagree with you there, Daggie me old mate.
Folk on the forum have a diverse view of boxers from all over the world, that's one of the things I like about it. Boxer prospects coming up from the Eastern block countries, Japan, Mexico, and south east Asia often get a good word on here. Guys who watch a lot of the amateur boxing at the Euro/world/Olympic and commonwealth games often say good things about the ones who have success at those events turning pro, regardless of what countries they come from, and what language they speak. We speak the language of boxing

Well, maybe i'm exaggerating because you are surely right with the fact that amateur credentials help East Euro fighters get hype but it's just because fighters from other countries do not have good credentials at all (USA doesn't exist in amateur boxing, Cubans can't turn to pro boxing, from the western countries only UK does well).. but the situation is different when you compare for example USA prospect with average/bad amateurs credentials vs East Euro prospect with average/bad amateurs credentials.

And as i said in other topic, Lucas Browne was (and still is) seen by some as a good fighter and legit contender, a lot of people had him in top 20, some even in top 15 or 10, in fact he is old, he has uninspiring record, he is a former PEDs user, imagine what would people say and think about 39 years old Lithuanian called Zigmantas Matulevicius, Hungarian Balazs Gyurcso or Polish Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz with the same record as Browne? my guess is a ''unknown 60 years old euro bum beater & juicer that was in a close fight vs another euro bum beater Rudenko and beat ancient and of course overrated Chagaev only because he was juicing''.

Or another example, even after Jacobs vs Sulecki a lot of people still seen potential Andrade vs Sulecki match up as not good or even one-sided and probably most of people a week ago seen Charlo as a fighter much better than Sulęcki. Of course i was saying before that it would be a close match-up and i doubt that Charlo is actually better same as i knew that Sulęcki will be a threat for Jacobs. I also think that if the fighter that fought Jacobs (Maciej Sulęcki) was called Mark Johnson instead and was American, it would be called a decent match-up and a test for both prospect Johnson and Jacobs.

But i have no problem with that, it's quite normal, I understand it that people hype more the fighters that they're more familiar with (there are very few, even on here, really hardcore fans that watch fights around the world, even those meaningless, so most of people are basing in most of cases on resume only and they seem to favour the fighter that they know more than the unknown guy) but being more hyped =/= better fighter. Some few people even seem like they think that english native speakers are most likely better fighters than others (maybe with the exception of Mexican/Hispanic fighters especially in the lower weights, but that's probably most of them are USA-based).

We all get to see different boxing.
Not many on here had seen pretty boy Zefara before he fought Brook. But I had. I said he would give Brook a tough time, and he did. I've seen a bit of Baranchyk, when a lot haven't, and I predict he will Josh Taylor a hard time of it next up in the WBSS. You said Suleki would be a tough night, and you were right because your getting a lot more boxing from Poland. I get a lot of Australian and New Zealand stuff- or I go to fights.
By the way- Lucas Browne is a nice enough guy, but he is barely a C level HW

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Overrated: Joshua, Lomachenko, Usyk

Underrated: Tyson Fury,

People might hype Loma and Usyk a lot but they’re not being overrated I don’t think.

I think the over rating is in reference to the people already calling them p4p top 10 atg fighters.

Exactly, this is kinda what I was thinking, Loma is awesome... lack of 1 punch power is what makes me resist all the P4P or ATG hype, Joshua still has “novice” tendencies, shouldn’t even be mentioned in P4P talks, Usyk is a nice fighter, but mentioning him in the same breath as Holyfield is straight blasphemy.

On another note.... would we be talking about Alvarez at all if he were a “regular/typical” Mexican or a black American fighter? All the hype around Canelo makes me wonder WTF happened with the lack of deserved ATG status of JMM.... now that’s a fighter who was GREATLY UNDERRATED and EQUALLY UNAPPRECIATED. Just my two cents, anyhow, so cool to interact with all you dudes, I miss boxing AND I so miss having peeps to talk fights/fighters with.

[jamamb]

loma is obviously a p4p fighter, if you dont think he deserves to be in p4p talk your going way too far in the underrated direction.


canelo gets load of hate btw and is prob underrated with hardcore fans if anything, i hardly think theres some racial/ethnic agenda there because hes a light skin/hair mexican, if thats what you were getting at. lol ppl just cant resist bringing up that sh!t can they

[PUGLET]

loma is obviously a p4p fighter, if you dont think he deserves to be in p4p talk your going way too far in the underrated direction.


canelo gets load of hate btw and is prob underrated with hardcore fans if anything, i hardly think theres some racial/ethnic agenda there because hes a light skin/hair mexican, if thats what you were getting at. lol ppl just cant resist bringing up that sh!t can they

Actually, that is EXACTLY what I meant, if he were a “typical” looking Mexican, I doubt that he’d be the “Golden Boy” of PPV at the moment or been “gifted” at least three decisions (perhaps four) thus far. Further to which, I’ve never heard anyone mention his “not so typical Mexican looking” appearance other than me.
Loma is gifted, special and exciting, I just think that without the 1 punch or even clean KO power, #1 P4P is too high. THINK back to Floyd’s early days when he actually cut weight and fought guys his own size, he consistently demonstrated clean, serious power. If anything, I’d say that Floyd’s punching power was constantly underrated and ignored even after he went up to 147 and 154.... there was a reason guys like Alvarez and JMM and Pacquiao, etc didn’t take WAY MORE RISKS....

[jamamb]

loma has power, hes just not a big puncher. hes stopped, dropped, or hurt pretty much everyone hes faced. based on who else is around now hes defo p4p elite. i ranked ward as #1 without big power too and also floyd when he was higher up in weight and defo not a puncher.

canelos underrated by hardcore fans if anything. the euro boys who lean toward white fighters certainly havent taken to him because hes a ginger mexican

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

GGG has consistently been overrated mostly due to hbo. Hes a top fighter but he has fought relatively even with his 2 best opponents. Im a fan but its the truth

Prograis is the most underrated