Missing BoxRec records for UK Pro Boxers, please help.

[pbaboxing]

Hello BoxRec,

I represent the BDF Governing Body based in Germany. We have noticed that our UK licensed boxers are not having their records recorded on BoxRec.

All BDF boxers outside of the UK have their records recorded on BoxRec, for Example BDF Boxer Alan Begic (21-0) IBF European Light-Heavy current Champ is on BoxRec, BDF Boxer Benjamin Blindert (9-0) is on BoxRec and BDF Boxer Elina Tissen (23-2) who BoxRec rank Number 6 in the BoxRec rankings is listed. Yet our UK boxers for some reason are not listed.

Is there a reason for our UK boxers not having there records up or is it just a mistake?

Thanks in advance.

[John]

Sorry, we only report what the BBBofC send, you need to take this up with them.

[pbaboxing]

Thanks for your response, so if a Pro boxer in the UK does not have a licence with the BBBofC, their record is not added on to BoxRec?
That is painting a huge misrepresentation of professional boxing if that is the case.
Thanks

[pbaboxing]

In Germany, we (the BDF), the BDB (Bund Deutscher Berufsboxer), the GBA (German Boxing Association), the ABF (Austrian Boxing Federation) and the LBF (Luxenbourg Boxing Federation) all run boxing events throughout Germany and are ALL listed and recorded on BoxRec. No single governing body has exclusive rights over a country.

Can we send you our U.K based BDF licensed boxers to be put up along side our other BDF licensed boxers already on BoxRec?

Thanks.

[John]

No

[pbaboxing]

Why?

[pbaboxing]

Can I please have a response to this serious matter.
Thanks

[gilgamesh]

Can I please have a response to this serious matter.
Thanks

You already got one.

[pbaboxing]

A single word response does not give an answer to why you are selectively listing our boxers. You rank one of our boxers 6th on the BoxRec rankings, it makes no sense why you are acting in this way and not properly responding. We would like a valid reason you are doing this.

[Floyd the snake]

What are the names of the UK boxes ? If they have boxed in Germany there records will be on boxrec , they must have boxed on unlicensed shows in the UK which probably means they've boxed on BIBA sanctioned shows .

[Senya13]

Because the owner of the site, being British, depends on good relationship with BBBofC.

[pbaboxing]

What are the names of the UK boxes ? If they have boxed in Germany there records will be on boxrec , they must have boxed on unlicensed shows in the UK which probably means they've boxed on BIBA sanctioned shows .

The 3 boxers we licence in the U.K are Gareth Garner, Navid Iran, Max Brown.
The events they box on are fully sanctioned & governed by the BDF (BDF licensed officials working the events to the same high standard we operate at globally). Our boxers also benefit from our unique high risk insurance policy which covers any damage sustained within the ring right the way up to death. We go the extra step in terms of boxer safety when compared to other governing bodies.

[pbaboxing]

Because the owner of the site, being British, depends on good relationship with BBBofC.

If that is the case then that is extremely biased and unprofessional as BoxRec portray themselves to be an unbiased record keeping website.
I really hope BoxRec see how they are completely in the wrong right now so we can get this resolved swiftly.
Thanks

[claudevsq]

Sorry, we only report what the BBBofC send, you need to take this up with them.

What is it about this answer that you do NOT seem to understand?

[pbaboxing]

Sorry, we only report what the BBBofC send, you need to take this up with them.

What is it about this answer that you do NOT seem to understand?

You are yet to give us a reason why you only report BBBofC events within the UK.

In Germany, we have 5 Governing Bodies minimum running boxing events along side one another that are recorded on BoxRec, the same goes for all other countries on the continent with multiple governing bodies running events along side one another that are all listed on BoxRec.
BoxRec list these governing bodies events because that is the job of BoxRec, to report and record professional boxing.

What is the difference between the UK and the rest of the continent?

[claudevsq]

Hmmm, lemme think... UK is an island and not part of continental Europe. Right?

[pbaboxing]

Hmmm, lemme think... UK is an island and not part of continental Europe. Right?

Yet again, an unprofessional response from yet another BoxRec representative to such a serious matter and yet again, not giving us a reason for why BoxRec only record events that are sanctioned by the BBBofC within the UK and not BDF sanctioned events who are a recognised governing body.
The huge contradiction being that our events in countries such as Switzerland, Poland, Austria, Azerbaijan, Croatia etc are of course all recorded on Boxrec, yet for a reason that you are not disclosing, you are not recording our sanctioned events that occur within the UK. Please tell us why?

BoxRec claims to be 'boxing's official record keeper' yet selectively listing fights from a recognised governing body which is a complete misrepresentation and disservice to the sport of boxing.

[oogiebe]

Hmmm, lemme think... UK is an island and not part of continental Europe. Right?

Yet again, an unprofessional response from yet another BoxRec representative to such a serious matter and yet again, not giving us a reason for why BoxRec only record events that are sanctioned by the BBBofC within the UK and not BDF sanctioned events who are a recognised governing body.
The huge contradiction being that our events in countries such as Switzerland, Poland, Austria, Azerbaijan, Croatia etc are of course all recorded on Boxrec, yet for a reason that you are not disclosing, you are not recording our sanctioned events that occur within the UK. Please tell us why?

BoxRec claims to be 'boxing's official record keeper' yet selectively listing fights from a recognised governing body which is a complete misrepresentation and disservice to the sport of boxing.

PBA: Why don't you just do what they ask? Go through BBBoC and get your records done in accordance with BoxRec's requirements. If they provide linkage with what you ask, how many more org's will they have to accommodate. Just do it.

[pbaboxing]

PBA: Why don't you just do what they ask? Go through BBBoC and get your records done in accordance with BoxRec's requirements. If they provide linkage with what you ask, how many more org's will they have to accommodate. Just do it.

Hello oogiebe,

"go through the BBBofC" - it doesnt work like, governing bodies are completely separate entities from one another.

The promoter of the event has to be licensed by us along with all of the officials. When we sanction an event, our role is to take control and officiate every aspect of the event (before, during, after).
We take on that responsibly and therefore it is our duty to ensure the safety and well being of each boxer as if an incident is to happen, it is us who must answer.
Therefore, getting another governing body involved is simply out of the equation as they were not working the event so is nothing to do with them.

This leads on to the point that no governing body has exclusive rights to a country (except in the USA where each state has an athletic state commission who have constitutional power in enforce state law. It is against Federal Law to hold a boxing event without the state commission sanctioning the event). In Germany, we have 5 governing bodies minimum running events along side one another, BoxRec record all of them, proving BoxRec have no problem with multiple governing bodies running events with one country.
Keeping this in mind, when it comes to the UK (only), for some reason, boxrec are giving BBBofC exclusive rights so that only BBBofC events are listed on boxrec, regardless of another governing body running an event within the UK, meaning a fully licensed event from a globally recognised governing body is just ignored and not documented by 'boxing's official record keeper' when running an event in the UK. This is such a major issue and huge misrepresentation of boxing as boxrec are actually portraying a completely false and manipulated outlook yet claiming they are 100% factual.
BoxRec have openly stated above that they 'ONLY report what the BBBofC send' for UK events. This level of exclusivity for a governing body is completely unheard of bearing in mind how boxrec record the results given to them by multiple governing bodies (including us) from events happening in a single country, yet only allow BBBofC events on Boxrec in the UK. You can only assume that there some sort of financial incentive in it for boxrec acting this way towards BBBofC and giving them this level of exclusivity.

"how many more org's will they have to accommodate." - BoxRec list the results from our events in all other countries. This isnt an issue regarding if they will list our events as they already do, it is an issue regarding why they do not list when the event takes place in the UK.

Thanks

[oogiebe]

PBA: Why don't you just do what they ask? Go through BBBoC and get your records done in accordance with BoxRec's requirements. If they provide linkage with what you ask, how many more org's will they have to accommodate. Just do it.

Hello oogiebe,

"go through the BBBofC" - it doesnt work like, governing bodies are completely separate entities from one another.

The promoter of the event has to be licensed by us along with all of the officials. When we sanction an event, our role is to take control and officiate every aspect of the event (before, during, after).
We take on that responsibly and therefore it is our duty to ensure the safety and well being of each boxer as if an incident is to happen, it is us who must answer.
Therefore, getting another governing body involved is simply out of the equation as they were not working the event so is nothing to do with them.

This leads on to the point that no governing body has exclusive rights to a country (except in the USA where each state has an athletic state commission who have constitutional power in enforce state law. It is against Federal Law to hold a boxing event without the state commission sanctioning the event). In Germany, we have 5 governing bodies minimum running events along side one another, BoxRec record all of them, proving BoxRec have no problem with multiple governing bodies running events with one country.
Keeping this in mind, when it comes to the UK (only), for some reason, boxrec are giving BBBofC exclusive rights so that only BBBofC events are listed on boxrec, regardless of another governing body running an event within the UK, meaning a fully licensed event from a globally recognised governing body is just ignored and not documented by 'boxing's official record keeper' when running an event in the UK. This is such a major issue and huge misrepresentation of boxing as boxrec are actually portraying a completely false and manipulated outlook yet claiming they are 100% factual.
BoxRec have openly stated above that they 'ONLY report what the BBBofC send' for UK events. This level of exclusivity for a governing body is completely unheard of bearing in mind how boxrec record the results given to them by multiple governing bodies (including us) from events happening in a single country, yet only allow BBBofC events on Boxrec in the UK. You can only assume that there some sort of financial incentive in it for boxrec acting this way towards BBBofC and giving them this level of exclusivity.

"how many more org's will they have to accommodate." - BoxRec list the results from our events in all other countries. This isnt an issue regarding if they will list our events as they already do, it is an issue regarding why they do not list when the event takes place in the UK.

Thanks

I'm just a poster. Thought it made sense. Guess you're out of luck.

[Billythekid25]

[claudevsq]

Hmmm, lemme think... UK is an island and not part of continental Europe. Right?

Yet again, an unprofessional response from yet another BoxRec representative to such a serious matter and yet again, not giving us a reason for why BoxRec only record events that are sanctioned by the BBBofC within the UK and not BDF sanctioned events who are a recognised governing body.
The huge contradiction being that our events in countries such as Switzerland, Poland, Austria, Azerbaijan, Croatia etc are of course all recorded on Boxrec, yet for a reason that you are not disclosing, you are not recording our sanctioned events that occur within the UK. Please tell us why?

BoxRec claims to be 'boxing's official record keeper' yet selectively listing fights from a recognised governing body which is a complete misrepresentation and disservice to the sport of boxing.

I only answered your question. I guess everyone else understood it to be what it was meant to be: a joke. Nothing more, nothing less. I know you won't probably get a different answer from John than the one you already got, so, sorry that I got into this in the first place, but being constantly on our feet never helped anyone's cause in the past... I'm out.

[pbaboxing]

I only answered your question. I guess everyone else understood it to be what it was meant to be: a joke. Nothing more, nothing less. I know you won't probably get a different answer from John than the one you already got, so, sorry that I got into this in the first place, but being constantly on our feet never helped anyone's cause in the past... I'm out.

I have made it clear from the start that this is a serious matter and all I have received from Boxrec Representatives is arrogant, dismissive reponses and ‘jokes’, hugely unprofessional.

I will ask again as I have still not gotten an answer to all of this; Why does boxrec only list events that occur within the U.K from the BBBofC, yet list events from country’s where many governing body’s are active. Why exclusivity for BBBofC for the U.K?

This seems to be the crux of the matter.

Thanks

[John]

In Italy we only recognise one commission the Federazione Pugilistica Italiana, in France we only recognise one commission the Federation Francaise de Boxe, in the UK we only recognise one commission the British Boxing Board of Control etc etc etc.
However you have made a very good point regarding Germany and we have definitely made a mistake in recognising more than one there. I will put feelers out amongst the other European commissions regarding deleting the BDF from our system, thank you