Miller: FIGHT CANCELLED

[Onetimeonly]

He knows rossy, I think he was a college football player. I think both of us assumed you meant casual ticket buyers.

[oogiebe]

He knows rossy, I think he was a college football player. I think both of us assumed you meant casual ticket buyers.

Thanks for the clarification. No not casuals. Guys who are on this site, and me in particular, as I planned on going to the show. I'm don't profess myself to be a hardcore fan, as I have tendencies more towards the HW division and the old guys from when I was a kid and after. To be frank, I find young fighters who look somewhat decent, and I'll follow them until they show that they suck. That's how I knew of Stacey Frazier. He was an opponent for a couple of them, including Damian Wills who I followed for a little bit. I assume if I know of a fighter, that everyone must, as I don't give myself credit for being much of an expert. I know what I know and come here to share and learn more.

[punchoutsb]

I know it's all arguing over semantics, but being "known" typically means people who are not even necessarily fans of the sport know who you are. Wilder is barely "known" in the States, and that's with a relatively aggressive media campaign to get him on podcasts and talk shows. No one in this thread is "known" in the states, and that includes Miller.

In my opinion you've got to be a pretty hard core boxing fan to know who Rossy or Flores are, and you've got to be in the 1% to know who Stacy Frazier or Trevor Bryan are. Obviously a place like boxrec will be a home for many of those kinds of fans.

[oogiebe]

I know it's all arguing over semantics, but being "known" typically means people who are not even necessarily fans of the sport know who you are. Wilder is barely "known" in the States, and that's with a relatively aggressive media campaign to get him on podcasts and talk shows. No one in this thread is "known" in the states, and that includes Miller.

In my opinion you've got to be a pretty hard core boxing fan to know who Rossy or Flores are, and you've got to be in the 1% to know who Stacy Frazier or Trevor Bryan are.

"Casual Fan" was a new descriptor for me as it was unknown to me until I joined this site. I can see the confusion. I'm not in the 1%, but I knew of both Frazier and Bryan via other fighters I've followed. I need some term definitions in my back pocket.

[Onetimeonly]

I don't even like the description casual fan. It's really just the fans that make up the majority of viewership and ticket buying but they aren't nerds like us. Back in the 80's and 90's my friends loved boxing but they still would die laughing when they'd randomly pick a year and month in the almanac and I'd say the wba flyweight champ was either Peter mathebula or tae-shik Kim.

[Mexi-Box]

Rossy is known in the states, as are Stacey Frazier; BJ flores. I'm not saying he's a star, but he has a name in the states.

You're completely mistaken here. Bryan has no name whatsoever. Flores is probably the most "popular" guy on that list, and I don't think many people know Flores.

Rossy and Frazier aren't known in the States . You may as well say Derrick Findley is known in the States.

Go look at Rossy's resume. He was from a town near mine and fought a load of names. You just don't know him I guess. Get over it.

Uh, I know who Derrek Rossy is. He's not a mystery. I've seen him tons of times, anyone who is a hardcore fan knows him since he's fought several top fighters, off the top of my head: Pulev, Stiverne, Glazkov, Chambers, and Povetkin. I don't want to go to BoxRec to confirm, so if he didn't fight one or two I'm not arguing that.

The thing is, though, no one outside of hardcores cares about Derrek Rossy. He can probably go back to that town near yours and I have doubts anyone would know him besides you.

As you said, I'm just not pompous enough to say that everyone knows Rossy just because I know him... or he fights near me. We're talking about getting a crowd to MSG, ffs. I don't think someone that beat Derrek Rossy would have such a substantial name to even sell 2 tickets there (outside of immediate family) .

[oogiebe]

I don't even like the description casual fan. It's really just the fans that make up the majority of viewership and ticket buying but they aren't nerds like us. Back in the 80's and 90's my friends loved boxing but they still would die laughing when they'd randomly pick a year and month in the almanac and I'd say the wba flyweight champ was either Peter mathebula or tae-shik Kim.

LMAO! That's just sick! You have the 'sickness' of boxing! too funny!

[oogiebe]

You're completely mistaken here. Bryan has no name whatsoever. Flores is probably the most "popular" guy on that list, and I don't think many people know Flores.

Rossy and Frazier aren't known in the States . You may as well say Derrick Findley is known in the States.

Go look at Rossy's resume. He was from a town near mine and fought a load of names. You just don't know him I guess. Get over it.

Uh, I know who Derrek Rossy is. He's not a mystery. I've seen him tons of times, anyone who is a hardcore fan knows him since he's fought several top fighters, off the top of my head: Pulev, Stiverne, Glazkov, Chambers, and Povetkin. I don't want to go to BoxRec to confirm, so if he didn't fight one or two I'm not arguing that.

The thing is, though, no one outside of hardcores cares about Derrek Rossy. He can probably go back to that town near yours and I have doubts anyone would know him besides you.

As you said, I'm just not pompous enough to say that everyone knows Rossy just because I know him... or he fights near me. We're talking about getting a crowd to MSG, ffs. I don't think someone that beat Derrek Rossy would have such a substantial name to even sell 2 tickets there (outside of immediate family) .

Yeah, it's all been gone through on this thread already. Thanks for the clarification anyway.

[Rgoodwin]

Sounds like their original opponent fell through (Bryan) so they are taking on someone else. Don't let your dislike for Miller make you forget the fact that this is another failure by Hearn. They should have had someone lined up a long time ago.

[dagilechia]

Miller's still +300lbs

[Onetimeonly]

It's not a failure, Miller wasn't stepping up anyway. Bryan probably priced himself out when his only value was a secondary belt for Miller to put on his shoulder to promote a fight with aj. Not that I think Miller would be guaranteed to beat him.

[jamamb]

lol he makes kownacki look trim

[oogiebe]

It's not a failure, Miller wasn't stepping up anyway. Bryan probably priced himself out when his only value was a secondary belt for Miller to put on his shoulder to promote a fight with aj. Not that I think Miller would be guaranteed to beat him.

No he wasn't stepping up, but now he's stepping down...way down probably. It's just too bad, that's all.

[Mexi-Box]

Miller's still +300lbs

I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!

[dagilechia]

Miller's still +300lbs

I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!

Yes he is a monster...he outweights Wilder by almost 110lbs lol

[greg]

Miller's still +300lbs

I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!

Yes he is a monster...he outweights Wilder by almost 110lbs lol

yep, Miller Lite indeed!

[Mexi-Box]

Miller's still +300lbs

I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!

Yes he is a monster...he outweights Wilder by almost 110lbs lol

Agreed. He made Kownacki look like a LHW. I thought it was just some unknown LHW or something until I looked closer then freaked out that it was Kownacki.

[oogiebe]

I barely recognized that was Kownacki. Man, Miller is enormous!

Yes he is a monster...he outweights Wilder by almost 110lbs lol

yep, Miller Lite indeed!

LMAO! "Miller Lite"

[marvelous marv]

Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.

[oogiebe]

Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.

LMFAO!!!

[dagilechia]

Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.

and he's still not ready

[oogiebe]

Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.

and he's still not ready

[Onetimeonly]

Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.

beautiful microcosm of the sport that he was awarded a court ordered title shot that long ago.

[Onetimeonly]

Fres Oquendo has been in camp for 4 years for this fight.

and he's still not ready

I liked his chances against Charr.

[walter5]

Has the opponent really not been announced yet? Here's a hint, he's undefeated!