Jose Uzcategui vs. Caleb Plant - January 13, 2019

[gilgamesh]

Caleb won the first 6 rounds clear as day, and had scored a knockdown in the 2nd and 4th. He already had the fight won on points before Uzcategui ever won his first round.

I thought Uzcategui won the last 4 rounds, and possibly the last 6, but it wasn't enough because the first 6 rounds were beyond doubt in Plant's favor.

Uzcategui clearly won 6-12 & i thought 5 was close. You might be right that points wise Plant had it won by 6 (barring KDs for JC) but winning the first half & ultimately 114-112 hardly seems 'dominanting the fight'.

Watch the fight again because your scorecard would be ridiculous. There’s no way Jose won last 6 rounds. No shot. What fight did you guys watch. Idiotic

I watched the goddamn fight there was. I didn't say Uzcategui DID win the last 6 rounds. I said you could possibly have it that way. I thought he won 5 of the last 6 personally, but Plant had CLEARLY won Rounds 1 through 6 without question, and with 2 knockdowns the fight was already his before Uzcategui ever got into the fight. Don't throw me into the same boat as this guy. I saw who won, and it wasn't Uzcategui.

[Counter-puncher]

I can't stand Plant's style. I hope Uzcategui wins by brutal stoppage.

Not surprised with your dumb ridiculous comments. You wouldn’t know a class fighter if he stole ur burrito and knocked out your mule (aka your vehicle).

[Enlightened-One]

I didn’t watch the fight and I have absolutely no idea about how the contest played-out, barring what I’ve read in a couple of websites, but I’m shocked to see the feather-fisted Caleb Plant not only score a huge upset over José Uzcátegui, but he also managed to deck the Venezuelan twice (at least one of them being legitimate).

Prior to this bout, José Uzcátegui was highly-rated by many people from this forum, so I’m interested to see the feedback from those that watched the bout and previously supported him, to understand whether they still consider him as being the real deal?

I always felt that Uzcátegui was a decent fighter, but I’ve never been overly-excited about him… and I don’t know why that is. He just didn’t manage to excite me enough to compel me to watch his fights.

[Datsue]

Plant won a good fight that was made closer than it should've been 'cos of the way he tired. Uzcategui was horrifically limited & his defence & balance are ghastly, but he never stopped coming.

I think Plant boxed really well for eight rounds, but Badou Jack of a couple of years ago would've stopped him hard late on IMO.

The standard at super-middle is particularly low. We've had the likes of these guys as titlists: Chudinov, Uzcategui, the Dirrells, Zeuge (FFS!), Rocky Fielding, Caleb Plant (briefly)... Even the supposed "top guys" in North America, like the Mexican dude with Top Rank who never ever fights anyone & Benavidez look more like dudes who should be NABF or USBA title-holders or something, as well.

I know they give away belts with breakfast cereals these days & obviously there were/are a couple of Brits bobbing about near the top but it's a motley fvcking list.

[sweet tea]

Wow everyone was wrong in regard to votes lol

[kbackup408]

Really good fight, caught up on it whilst having breakfast in the morning ITV and Haymon have made terrestrial boxing great again!

I do think Plant gets beaten by Smith and Ramirez wont hold onto that IBF strap for long!

[Onetimeonly]

Wow everyone was wrong in regard to votes lol

Not everyone. I voted for plant just yesterday.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I always felt that Uzcátegui was a decent fighter, but I’ve never been overly-excited about him… and I don’t know why that is. He just didn’t manage to excite me enough to compel me to watch his fights.

Maybe because he beat a Dirrell? Haha

[Ricky]

Caleb won the first 6 rounds clear as day, and had scored a knockdown in the 2nd and 4th. He already had the fight won on points before Uzcategui ever won his first round.

I thought Uzcategui won the last 4 rounds, and possibly the last 6, but it wasn't enough because the first 6 rounds were beyond doubt in Plant's favor.

Uzcategui clearly won 6-12 & i thought 5 was close. You might be right that points wise Plant had it won by 6 (barring KDs for JC) but winning the first half & ultimately 114-112 hardly seems 'dominanting the fight'.

Watch the fight again because your scorecard would be ridiculous. There’s no way Jose won last 6 rounds. No shot. What fight did you guys watch. Idiotic

Another fine example of how commentators influence what you see. Uzcategui backed up Plant for the entire 8 rounds i watched yet the bias team were fawning over Plant. It was like the UK team fawning over Bellew vs Usyk... they never gave Usyk a round through 6.

[oogiebe]

Plant loses his "0" by TKO. Uzcategui will pressure him; wear him down; and stop him late.

Buzzer sound. WRONGGGGGGGG

I had since changed my mind and went with Plant. My vote was Plant by decision.

[oogiebe]

I can't stand Plant's style. I hope Uzcategui wins by brutal stoppage.

Not surprised with your dumb ridiculous comments. You wouldn’t know a class fighter if he stole ur burrito and knocked out your mule (aka your vehicle).

LMAO!

[gilgamesh]

Uzcategui clearly won 6-12 & i thought 5 was close. You might be right that points wise Plant had it won by 6 (barring KDs for JC) but winning the first half & ultimately 114-112 hardly seems 'dominanting the fight'.

Watch the fight again because your scorecard would be ridiculous. There’s no way Jose won last 6 rounds. No shot. What fight did you guys watch. Idiotic

Another fine example of how commentators influence what you see. Uzcategui backed up Plant for the entire 8 rounds i watched yet the bias team were fawning over Plant. It was like the UK team fawning over Bellew vs Usyk... they never gave Usyk a round through 6.

Dude. Plant won the fight alright. Whether he won the last 6 rounds or not. He lost. That's all there is to it. Over the first 4 rounds the punch stats were 35 to 8 in favor of Plant, and he had scored 2 knockdowns, and then he continued to win the next few rounds.

Plant won. It's not debatable.

[gilgamesh]

I always felt that Uzcátegui was a decent fighter, but I’ve never been overly-excited about him… and I don’t know why that is. He just didn’t manage to excite me enough to compel me to watch his fights.

Maybe because he beat a Dirrell? Haha

He made me an instant fan by beating Dirrell. I hate the Dirrell's. Especially Andre.

[gilgamesh]

I didn’t watch the fight and I have absolutely no idea about how the contest played-out, barring what I’ve read in a couple of websites, but I’m shocked to see the feather-fisted Caleb Plant not only score a huge upset over José Uzcátegui, but he also managed to deck the Venezuelan twice (at least one of them being legitimate).

Prior to this bout, José Uzcátegui was highly-rated by many people from this forum, so I’m interested to see the feedback from those that watched the bout and previously supported him, to understand whether they still consider him as being the real deal?

I always felt that Uzcátegui was a decent fighter, but I’ve never been overly-excited about him… and I don’t know why that is. He just didn’t manage to excite me enough to compel me to watch his fights.

Both knockdowns were legit. One was more devastating than the other. One of 'em seemed to be more of a balance issue for Uzcategui while the other time he just got straight knocked down.

[Ricky]

Watch the fight again because your scorecard would be ridiculous. There’s no way Jose won last 6 rounds. No shot. What fight did you guys watch. Idiotic

Another fine example of how commentators influence what you see. Uzcategui backed up Plant for the entire 8 rounds i watched yet the bias team were fawning over Plant. It was like the UK team fawning over Bellew vs Usyk... they never gave Usyk a round through 6.

Dude. Plant won the fight alright. Whether he won the last 6 rounds or not. He lost. That's all there is to it. Over the first 4 rounds the punch stats were 35 to 8 in favor of Plant, and he had scored 2 knockdowns, and then he continued to win the next few rounds.

Plant won. It's not debatable.

I wasn't arguing that Uzcategui won - i was arguing he wasn't "dominated" as Caldo described it.

[gilgamesh]

Another fine example of how commentators influence what you see. Uzcategui backed up Plant for the entire 8 rounds i watched yet the bias team were fawning over Plant. It was like the UK team fawning over Bellew vs Usyk... they never gave Usyk a round through 6.

Dude. Plant won the fight alright. Whether he won the last 6 rounds or not. He lost. That's all there is to it. Over the first 4 rounds the punch stats were 35 to 8 in favor of Plant, and he had scored 2 knockdowns, and then he continued to win the next few rounds.

Plant won. It's not debatable.

I wasn't arguing that Uzcategui won - i was arguing he wasn't "dominated" as Caldo described it.

He lost pretty thoroughly though. Yeah I'd give it to you that Uzcategui had gotten himself into the fight. Certainly by the end, but the result wasn't in doubt. Even Uzcategui knew the decision wasn't his. At the end you saw Plant celebrate, and Uzcategui just walk back to his corner. He knew.

I figure if they had a rematch Plant would win more comfortably honestly. Because his biggest weakness in this bout was stamina, and pacing, and that's something that can be improved upon.

[oogiebe]

Dude. Plant won the fight alright. Whether he won the last 6 rounds or not. He lost. That's all there is to it. Over the first 4 rounds the punch stats were 35 to 8 in favor of Plant, and he had scored 2 knockdowns, and then he continued to win the next few rounds.

Plant won. It's not debatable.

I wasn't arguing that Uzcategui won - i was arguing he wasn't "dominated" as Caldo described it.

He lost pretty thoroughly though. Yeah I'd give it to you that Uzcategui had gotten himself into the fight. Certainly by the end, but the result wasn't in doubt. Even Uzcategui knew the decision wasn't his. At the end you saw Plant celebrate, and Uzcategui just walk back to his corner. He knew.

I figure if they had a rematch Plant would win more comfortably honestly. Because his biggest weakness in this bout was stamina, and pacing, and that's something that can be improved upon.

From a decision standpoint, the fight was over after six rounds. Uzcategui needed a KO to win from that point forward. It was a shutout after six with two 10-8 rounds.

[gilgamesh]

I wasn't arguing that Uzcategui won - i was arguing he wasn't "dominated" as Caldo described it.

He lost pretty thoroughly though. Yeah I'd give it to you that Uzcategui had gotten himself into the fight. Certainly by the end, but the result wasn't in doubt. Even Uzcategui knew the decision wasn't his. At the end you saw Plant celebrate, and Uzcategui just walk back to his corner. He knew.

I figure if they had a rematch Plant would win more comfortably honestly. Because his biggest weakness in this bout was stamina, and pacing, and that's something that can be improved upon.

From a decision standpoint, the fight was over after six rounds. Uzcategui needed a KO to win from that point forward. It was a shutout after six with two 10-8 rounds.

Yeah no doubt. Uzcategui certainly wasn't urgent enough in going for the KO considering that this was his only hope. Given his punching power though he was always dangerous every step of the way though because he can legitimately crack so even though a decision win was pretty much out of the question for him after 6, a KO win still wasn't. He did rock Plant once or twice in the latter portion of the fight, but Plant maintained his composure, and made it through the tougher moments without ever going down.

[jamamb]

had it 115-111 plant, he got way ahead but dropped a lot of second half rounds

[gilgamesh]

had it 115-111 plant, he got way ahead but dropped a lot of second half rounds

Yep that score sounds right on the money to me. I thought Plant managed to win the 8th in a close one, but I thought he lost the rest of the 2nd half, but he'd won the first 6 thoroughly so it was still his fight.

I was surprised to see Uzcategui just kinda throwing "making contact" punches in the 12th instead of loading up with haymakers which was the only thing that would've won him the fight at that point.

[Ricky]

Dude. Plant won the fight alright. Whether he won the last 6 rounds or not. He lost. That's all there is to it. Over the first 4 rounds the punch stats were 35 to 8 in favor of Plant, and he had scored 2 knockdowns, and then he continued to win the next few rounds.

Plant won. It's not debatable.

I wasn't arguing that Uzcategui won - i was arguing he wasn't "dominated" as Caldo described it.

He lost pretty thoroughly though. Yeah I'd give it to you that Uzcategui had gotten himself into the fight. Certainly by the end, but the result wasn't in doubt. Even Uzcategui knew the decision wasn't his. At the end you saw Plant celebrate, and Uzcategui just walk back to his corner. He knew.

I figure if they had a rematch Plant would win more comfortably honestly. Because his biggest weakness in this bout was stamina, and pacing, and that's something that can be improved upon.

Hmmm not for me. My feeling is that Uzcategui has more scope to improve than Plant. Uzcategui can work on cutting the ring and he must be disappointed with his output - he lost his title without leaving it all in the ring.

[gilgamesh]

Ok. Well we'll see if they ever have a rematch. Considering that it was his 1st defense, and he lost pretty clear I don't think there would be a lot of clamor to see a rematch honestly, and considering Haymon's hard-on for the Dirrell's it'll probably be Plant vs Anthony Dirrell before we see a rematch of Plant vs Uzcategui. Unfortunately the other Top Super Middleweights aren't signed with PBC so we likely won't see Plant fighting those guys anytime soon.

I like both fighters, and the fight was pretty entertaining so I wouldn't mind seeing it again definitely. I'll like Plant a little more too if he beats one of those punk ass Dirrell's just like Uzcategui instantly made me a fan by whipping Andre's ass

[KiwiRider]

Plant won a good fight that was made closer than it should've been 'cos of the way he tired. Uzcategui was horrifically limited & his defence & balance are ghastly, but he never stopped coming.

I think Plant boxed really well for eight rounds, but Badou Jack of a couple of years ago would've stopped him hard late on IMO.

The standard at super-middle is particularly low. We've had the likes of these guys as titlists: Chudinov, Uzcategui, the Dirrells, Zeuge (FFS!), Rocky Fielding, Caleb Plant (briefly)... Even the supposed "top guys" in North America, like the Mexican dude with Top Rank who never ever fights anyone & Benavidez look more like dudes who should be NABF or USBA title-holders or something, as well.

I know they give away belts with breakfast cereals these days & obviously there were/are a couple of Brits bobbing about near the top but it's a motley fvcking list.

It is a motley list. And I like people who use the word motley.
Groves is about done, Eubank Jr got found out, and Zurdo probably won't ever get found out. The only big deal at SMW is Smith.
It's as weak as a Scotsman's tea, on the second reuse of the tea bag.

[boxing_rocks]

[oogiebe]

He might be right, so long as he's not referencing Callum Smith and the top 10 contenders at SMW.