John Mugabi versus Nigel Benn

[jamamb]

the question remains

benn knocked out mcclellan and barkley

what mugabi wins top this? hell, anything better then henry warton?

[paddy chavez]

mugabi was a junior middle who hardly did anything, lots of wins over non descript opposition though and a beatdown loss to a great (plus a bunch of other ko losses whenever he faced top opp)

massively overinflated reputation

That wasn't a beatdown loss to Hagler. He gave Hagler all Hagler could handle. Benn's victim list is not much more impressive than Mugabi's.

benn knocked out mclellan and barkley, ill just throw those two

so what did mugabi do better then this? since we are mocking that benn is more accomplished....

mugabis was a decent but nothing special junior middle who always lost when he stepped up

And got ko'd by Watson,eubanks and collins

[jamamb]

ya, still couldnt be iced as many times as mugabi was though

[jamamb]

come on now, if people are gonna get testy at the suggestion that benns more accomplished, tell me how mugabis wins top benns

magubi has a bit of myth to him, so big and bad, yet actually a chinny junior middle with not a serious win to his name

[oogiebe]

ya, still couldnt be iced as many times as mugabi was though

Mugabi was awful the rest of his career after Hagler.

[jamamb]

easy excuses

he never did anything notable before hagler either

[paddy chavez]

ya, still couldnt be iced as many times as mugabi was though

Maybe but you seem to have this opinion of benn as world class when he was never more than European level he never wanted any part of Nunn ,toney or Roy Jones at least Mugabe fought the best

[jamamb]

mugabe fought an actual beast in mclellan and got iced in 1, benn knocked him out. lol hilarious that you keep acting like it doesnt count

mugabes like vitali klitschko, yet probably with even worse wins

[paddy chavez]

mugabe fought mclellan and got iced in 1, benn knocked him out. lol hilarious that you keep acting like it doesnt count

It doesn't no More than winning on cuts ...suger boy mallinger

[jamamb]

laughable

hell, then dont count wins where a guy lands the right punch and gets the ko instead of causing a cut

[oogiebe]

easy excuses

he never did anything notable before hagler either

Certainly didn't have any notable wins. He was built up before the Hagler fight as a killer and to this day, I'm not sure how he gave Marvelous so much trouble.

[paddy chavez]

laughable

hell, then dont count wins where a guy lands the right punch and gets the ko instead of causing a cut

He didn't ko him ..... have you even seen the fight

[jamamb]

i have, benn hurt mclellan with his fists, you know like what happens in boxing. benn whethered the storm and came back unlike mugabi

[paddy chavez]

i have, benn hurt mclellan with his fists, you know like what happens in boxing. benn whethered the storm and came back unlike mugabi

You haven't even seen it have you ... ....

[oogiebe]

i have, benn hurt mclellan with his fists, you know like what happens in boxing. benn whethered the storm and came back unlike mugabi

You haven't even seen it have you ... ....

Seriously Gerald was getting hurt by routine shots and near misses. It was tough to watch. Even the announcers were questioning it when he appeared to get stunned by less than stellar shots. He voluntarily went to one knee. How he was able to keep fighting and even hurt Benn was amazing to me.

[jamamb]

thats what happens when a guy gets ground down

[paddy chavez]

i have, benn hurt mclellan with his fists, you know like what happens in boxing. benn whethered the storm and came back unlike mugabi

You haven't even seen it have you ... ....

Seriously Gerald was getting hurt by routine shots and near misses. It was tough to watch. Even the announcers were questioning it when he appeared to get stunned by less than stellar shots. He voluntarily went to one knee. How he was able to keep fighting and even hurt Benn was amazing to me.

You didn't even know who Logan was or what happened

[oogiebe]

thats what happens when a guy gets ground down

I didn't see it that way. I remember when I first saw it I was very troubled by Mac's behavior.

[oogiebe]

FFS the guy took a knee after being headbutted and was blinking his eyes in what the ninth??

[oogiebe]

i have, benn hurt mclellan with his fists, you know like what happens in boxing. benn whethered the storm and came back unlike mugabi

You haven't even seen it have you ... ....

Seriously Gerald was getting hurt by routine shots and near misses. It was tough to watch. Even the announcers were questioning it when he appeared to get stunned by less than stellar shots. He voluntarily went to one knee. How he was able to keep fighting and even hurt Benn was amazing to me.

You didn't even know who Logan was or what happened

If you're asking me, Benn was lucky to beat Logan, who practically had him out early.

[Syntax Error]

mugabi is so overrated

I get a bit nonplussed when people big up fighters on the back of defeats.

A similar thing happened with Razor Ruddock after his two defeats to Tyson: His stock somehow became enhanced.

This now appears to be the case with Mugabi who did fight well against Hagler, but like I have already said, a badly faded Hagler who had no speed left.

The Hagler of 1980 would have pulverised Mugabi pretty comfortably.

I'm still on the fence about Benn/Mugabi, but I can't see how him getting battered and stopped as a way of justifying picking him over Benn.

I think a fighter can actually improve his stock legitimately with a loss. If he puts in a better than expected performance against a great fighter, then naturally his stock will go up.
As for the Hagler fight-Few people was saying after the fight that Hagler looked bad. It was considered a great fight at the time. Mugabi held his own against Hagler and gave him a tough fight.

Only revisonist history has changed the narrative where Hagler was badly faded. He wasn't.
And Nigel Benn would not have been that competitive with Hagler in 1986.

Mugabi looked better than Benn in several fights before fighting Hagler.

There's no revisionism re: Hagler's performance against Mugabi.

He'd lost a ton of speed and it was his performance against Mugabi that convinced Leonard to come out of retirement and challenge him.

He was clearly on the slide, even if he was still formidable.

[Counter-puncher]

yeah if you watc the Mugabi fight then say the Sibson or Obas fight the speed difference is almost shocking

[banjo]

Hagler did his back in quite badly in 1985, forcing the Mugabi fight to be postponed to 1986, Haggles was starting to fall apart.

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Hagler did his back in quite badly in 1985, forcing the Mugabi fight to be postponed to 1986, Haggles was starting to fall apart.

Seems that way.

He was a different beast after 1985.

He was still formidable; still had his conditioning and still had a chin for the ages, but in his fights with Mugabi and Leonard, he was woefully slow; much much slower than he had been previously.

I remember watching the Mugabi fight and watching him miss and turn right around and thinking Hagler is slow as f--k these days.

In hindsight, that was obviously the beginning of the end for him.

I'm so glad he didn't come back after Leonard, because even if he managed to beat Ray in a rematch, he would have probably been a sitting duck for the likes of Nunn and Toney et al going forward.

[Ambling Alp II]

Didn't hear anyone say anything at all about Hagler slipping after the Mugabi fight. The Mugabi-Hagler fight was considered a great fight at the time.
And Hagler was supposed to steam roll Leonard. Leonard thought he could beat Hagler, but few others did. Most experts were picking a slaughter. Never heard any talk of him slowing down.