Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Yes, he should
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Undecided
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3%
No, he should not
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Total votes: 31

Tony1244
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Post by Tony1244 »

Yes. If he loses, he will get more fights as fighters love fighting opponents who have lost. If he wins, its even better.

It's a Win/Win.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Post by Eolaithe »

ValMar wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 16:36Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?
A young fighter that has only just turned 24 years of age shouldn’t be rushed into facing one of the top-two pound-for-pounders on the planet, who is not only in their physical prime, but also competes in a heavier weight class.

There isn’t enough money to make this fight commercially viable, since neither Top Rank nor the PBC have attempted to make this bout.

Davis and Lomachenko aren’t going to face each other anytime soon.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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Eolaithe wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 13:04
ValMar wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 16:36Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?
A young fighter that has only just turned 24 years of age shouldn’t be rushed into facing one of the top-two pound-for-pounders on the planet, who is not only in their physical prime, but also competes in a heavier weight class.

There isn’t enough money to make this fight commercially viable, since neither Top Rank nor the PBC have attempted to make this bout.

Davis and Lomachenko aren’t going to face each other anytime soon.
Is that your opinion EO? Or do you have an inside track on the happeningswithin the sweet science?
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Post by jamamb »

how often do guys teams outright say openly they dont want it for a while until the other guy gets older?

defo not happening any time soon if ever, theres what i said above and of course the promotional divide
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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NateJR wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 12:06 It would be irresponsible for Davis's managers to allow him to jump up in weight and fight Lomachenko straight away. Now if Davis were to move up and take a couple tough but winnable fights, I'd love to see it by the begin of 2020. It's definitely a fight I want to see and I don't want to see it marinade for 5 years, but I would like to see within the next year or year in a half.
He isn't really jumping up in weight. He struggles to make 130 and probably walks around heavier than Loma does. Loma isn't this huge guy compared to Davis.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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Eolaithe wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 13:04
ValMar wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 16:36Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?
A young fighter that has only just turned 24 years of age shouldn’t be rushed into facing one of the top-two pound-for-pounders on the planet, who is not only in their physical prime, but also competes in a heavier weight class.

There isn’t enough money to make this fight commercially viable, since neither Top Rank nor the PBC have attempted to make this bout.

Davis and Lomachenko aren’t going to face each other anytime soon.
:brick:
God forbid 22 year old Tommy Hearns fights Sugar Ray Leonard.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Post by SenorPipino »

IKSRTFO wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 13:29
Eolaithe wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 13:04
ValMar wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 16:36Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?
A young fighter that has only just turned 24 years of age shouldn’t be rushed into facing one of the top-two pound-for-pounders on the planet, who is not only in their physical prime, but also competes in a heavier weight class.

There isn’t enough money to make this fight commercially viable, since neither Top Rank nor the PBC have attempted to make this bout.

Davis and Lomachenko aren’t going to face each other anytime soon.
:brick:
God forbid 22 year old Tommy Hearns fights Sugar Ray Leonard.
But at least a young Hearns was far more established at a higher level than Davis.

Fans knew that 22 year old Hearns was elite. Maybe not the best, but still top caliber.

There are plenty questions about where Davis sits in the pecking order.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Post by jamamb »

hes in his mid 20s hes not a baby, i hate this babying mentality, he is the type of talent who doesnt need it
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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SenorPipino wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 13:44
IKSRTFO wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 13:29
Eolaithe wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 13:04
ValMar wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 16:36Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?
A young fighter that has only just turned 24 years of age shouldn’t be rushed into facing one of the top-two pound-for-pounders on the planet, who is not only in their physical prime, but also competes in a heavier weight class.

There isn’t enough money to make this fight commercially viable, since neither Top Rank nor the PBC have attempted to make this bout.

Davis and Lomachenko aren’t going to face each other anytime soon.
:brick:
God forbid 22 year old Tommy Hearns fights Sugar Ray Leonard.
But at least a young Hearns was far more established at a higher level than Davis.

Fans knew that 22 year old Hearns was elite. Maybe not the best, but still top caliber.

There are plenty questions about where Davis sits in the pecking order.
How can he do that by NOT fighting Lomachenko? There's very few people Davis can fight that will up his stock to elite.

If he isn't ready, then maybe he should give up his championships and remain a prospect.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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Tony1244 wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 12:09 Yes. If he loses, he will get more fights as fighters love fighting opponents who have lost. If he wins, its even better.

It's a Win/Win.
Yes ! :TU:
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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lazboy wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 21:07
IKSRTFO wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 20:27 He's a fighter. No reason why he shouldn't. If he loses, so what? That's what's wrong with boxers today. What if Tommy Hearns thought it was too soon to face Sugar Ray Leonard?
Agree! Plus he’s a world champion now, he shouldn’t have gone for a title if he wanted to take a slow and experience building route. Fight now and again later. Challenge yourself, learn and grow. The best should fight the best.
True.
The same could be said about Jamie Munguia :o
Become champ, fight the best.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Post by jamamb »

the thing ill give munguia is that at leasts hes super active even though hes fighting some duds. and also while ppl call mid 20s gervonta a baby/super young, mung is even two years younger!
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Post by Rob3_142 »

God, where do you even start with this one? A loaded question.

First and foremost, Davis is 24 and 21 fights in. No longer a novice. He's also blowing everyone away that he comes in contact in super featherweight. I don't think there are many attractive options available. Sure he could take on Berchelt for the #1 lightweight spot, but then where?

Secondly, Loma is 31, physically in his prime. If we wait a few years, and Davis wins, how many people are going to claim Loma is over the hill? There is very little to gain from waiting too long.

The way I see it, this is already a competitive fight, I and fight fans around the world would want to see now. Sure Davis could take a few warmer fights at lightweight, and then go for it. But the path has to be mapped out now.

Then there of course is the real world. Mayweather is in my opinion going to keep Davis away from Loma for as long as possible. Blow him out the water when he's 33-34 and become the hero at low risk. In the mean time he'll fight twice a year taking on the pretty shallow field at super feather.

I am not optimistic this fight happens in the next 24 months.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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..I'm nobody's coach, manager or promoter...from my perspective as a boxing fan the best should fight the best and the sooner the better...
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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greg wrote: 02 Mar 2019, 07:06 ..I'm nobody's coach, manager or promoter...from my perspective as a boxing fan the best should fight the best and the sooner the better...
:clap: :TU:
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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IKSRTFO wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 13:28
NateJR wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 12:06 It would be irresponsible for Davis's managers to allow him to jump up in weight and fight Lomachenko straight away. Now if Davis were to move up and take a couple tough but winnable fights, I'd love to see it by the begin of 2020. It's definitely a fight I want to see and I don't want to see it marinade for 5 years, but I would like to see within the next year or year in a half.
He isn't really jumping up in weight. He struggles to make 130 and probably walks around heavier than Loma does. Loma isn't this huge guy compared to Davis.
They are similar in size, I just feel his management would choose to test the waters and make a little noise in the division before going after the big dog. Like I said, if this fight doesn't happen within the next year and half, I'll begin to lose interest, although I don't feel Loma will fall off much in the next 3 years to where Davis will separate himself to point the fight isn't still interesting. I think most agree that the sooner the fight happens the better, but I won't hold my breath.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Post by SenorPipino »

Lomachenko will probably lose in the next 2 years. Before Davis takes a shot at him.

He just looks vulnerable at 135. Fortunately for Loma, there are few truly outstanding lightweight talents out there so he may be able to milk 3 or 4 more successful lightweight defenses.

But an upset would not be a surprise.

I'm assuming that Mikey Garcia never comes close to 135 again.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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Loma is an extraordinary boxer...I don't expect him to lose anytime soon unless he keeps moving up and boxing bigger and naturally heavier guys..
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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Nope. Why would he? He’s already enough of a draw to keep the career rolling. His fights are entertaining regardless of whom he’s facing. Boxers only have a limited number of fights in them so there’s no point in bursting the bubble early. I’m all for taking challenges but it can happen gradually. No need to go after the top of the top as long as there are still good names to add to your resume and your style is entertaining enough to make money in the process. Eventually though by all means, make it happen.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

Post by sturm vogel »

Of course Davis should seek this fight immediately. If he doesn't fight Loma this year or next he may never get the chance. Loma is an extremely rare find because of his class and any of his worthy contemporaries should be delighted to contest their abilities against a grand master.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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TempleSlave wrote: 02 Mar 2019, 18:26 Nope. Why would he? He’s already enough of a draw to keep the career rolling. His fights are entertaining regardless of whom he’s facing. Boxers only have a limited number of fights in them so there’s no point in bursting the bubble early. I’m all for taking challenges but it can happen gradually. No need to go after the top of the top as long as there are still good names to add to your resume and your style is entertaining enough to make money in the process. Eventually though by all means, make it happen.
Come on. he's taking on Anthony Crolla in his next fight. What is that going to prove.

A couple years down the line, how relevant is Loma still going to be at 33-34?
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jamamb wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 17:50 tbh i really think hed have a good shot vs loma, hes a great talent who would have speed and power on loma and i think wouldnt be afraid to let his hands go. of course it may be a totally different matter in the ring, but i dont think loma is levels above, this shouldnt be treated as though its anything resembling a sure thing for loma
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IKSRTFO wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 20:27 He's a fighter. No reason why he shouldn't. If he loses, so what? That's what's wrong with boxers today. What if Tommy Hearns thought it was too soon to face Sugar Ray Leonard?
Hearns and Leonard was a pickum unification super fight for 10 times the money. Not the best example. I completely agree about the fights but there was always a ton of fights among the best that didn't happen. It's just more glaring because they fight once or twice a year and there isn't nearly as many 'best'.
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It's very true that management and promoters avoid or turn down fights simply because it will be more marketable and lucrative in the future.

Angelo Dundee recalled that in the late 70s Ray Leonard was offered $500,000 to fight Hearns. This was before either had won a championship.

Dundee and Trainor discussed it and passed.

Word went around that Team Sugar Ray was frightened of Hearns.

Years afterward Dundee said that there was no fear. It was strictly a matter of economics.

"Why fight today for a half million dollars when I knew that if we waited for a few years, the fight would be worth 10 times as much?" Dundee said.

Sharp boxing minds let potential blockbusters marinate to whet the appetite and increase the revenue.

Nothing wrong with thst thinking.
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Re: Should Gervonta Davis take a risk and face Lomachenko as soon as possible ?

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SenorPipino wrote: 03 Mar 2019, 14:45 It's very true that management and promoters avoid or turn down fights simply because it will be more marketable and lucrative in the future.

Angelo Dundee recalled that in the late 70s Ray Leonard was offered $500,000 to fight Hearns. This was before either had won a championship.

Dundee and Trainor discussed it and passed.

Word went around that Team Sugar Ray was frightened of Hearns.

Years afterward Dundee said that there was no fear. It was strictly a matter of economics.

"Why fight today for a half million dollars when I knew that if we waited for a few years, the fight would be worth 10 times as much?" Dundee said.

Sharp boxing minds let potential blockbusters marinate to whet the appetite and increase the revenue.

Nothing wrong with thst thinking.
Nothing wrong for promoters, definitely.
Wrong for us - boxing fans.
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