Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019

Who wins?

Poll ended at 17 Mar 2019, 02:06

Spence - Decision
27
25%
Spence - K/TKO
51
47%
DRAW
5
5%
Garcia - K/TKO
5
5%
Garcia - Decision
21
19%
 
Total votes: 109

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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

Post by SenorPipino »

skanksta wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 15:34 The old truism.

A good big 'un beats a good littl' un.
But that's somewhat simplified.

A great small man can beat a good big man.

Jones over Ruiz.

But sometimes we don't recognize the smaller man's greatness until later.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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You're spot on but Jones/Ruiz is a poor analogy.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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Onetimeonly wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 16:38 You're spot on but Jones/Ruiz is a poor analogy.
Agree...Ruiz wasn't good.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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oogiebe wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 16:39
Onetimeonly wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 16:38 You're spot on but Jones/Ruiz is a poor analogy.
Agree...Ruiz wasn't good.
Atg smaller man beats mediocre big man. Lol
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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Onetimeonly wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 16:41
oogiebe wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 16:39
Onetimeonly wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 16:38 You're spot on but Jones/Ruiz is a poor analogy.
Agree...Ruiz wasn't good.
Atg smaller man beats mediocre big man. Lol
:lol:
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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oogiebe wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 16:39
Onetimeonly wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 16:38 You're spot on but Jones/Ruiz is a poor analogy.
Agree...Ruiz wasn't good.

Well he was good enough to win an alphabet title and befuddle Holyfield on a couple occasions along with besting Rahman and Golota.

Sure, Ruiz is nobody's idea of what a heavyweight champion should be. But it seems unfair to begrudge calling "good."
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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SenorPipino wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 16:08
skanksta wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 15:34 The old truism.

A good big 'un beats a good littl' un.
But that's somewhat simplified.

A great small man can beat a good big man.

Jones over Ruiz.

But sometimes we don't recognize the smaller man's greatness until later.
Errol Spence is clearly A LOT better than John Ruiz.

Both these guys are elite talents - it really is that simple.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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Breaducce wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 14:21
IKSRTFO wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 12:46
SenorPipino wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 11:11 Spence will win.

He's too talented, too strong for even a fighter as good as Garcia.

Smaller guys coming up usually have one advantage--speed. But I think Spence is faster.

So what does Garcia have in his repertoire to upend Spence? Little.

Some keep shouting that "Mikey must know something" to take this bout with the bigger man.

All he knows is that he'll be earning a career high paycheck. That's what it comes down to.

And Garcia's reputation won't be hurt in a defeat to a man who is 2 weight divisions heavier.

It's Spence who is taking the risk. A loss to Garcia would be catastrophic in terms of credibility as one of boxing's best.

But Spence will come through. Too big, strong and talented.
Spence isn't faster. I think that's a myth placed on him maybe out of stereotype but Mikey definitely has faster hands and moves better than Spence.
Given the size discrepancy if Garcia has a hand speed advantage it will be minimal at best, but Spence's strength and power advantage will be significant. Also, I disagree that he moves better then Spence, Garcia and Spence both have non flashy technical educated feet, the only difference is that Spence is much more athletic then Garcia making his movement more explosive. Garcia is a little better counter puncher then Spence, but Spence has better punch variation and a more dynamic offense, meaning there is no position that Garcia is safe in this fight. Also, Spence is more durable then Garcia as he has faced a bigger puncher in Kell Brook and not hurt or been dropped, whereas Garcia was dropped by Roman Martinez. The only knock on Spence is he does not move his head as much as he should, but he still has good defense and does not take excessive punishment in any of his fights. Also their is a question on how the weight will effect Garcia's stamina because Spence gets better as the fight goes to the later rounds.
Spence is not more athletic nor more slick. That's just a myth assumed probably because he's Afircan American.

And people saying he's never been buzzed hasn't seen all of his fights.

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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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IKSRTFO wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 23:44
Breaducce wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 14:21
IKSRTFO wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 12:46
SenorPipino wrote: 16 Feb 2019, 11:11 Spence will win.

He's too talented, too strong for even a fighter as good as Garcia.

Smaller guys coming up usually have one advantage--speed. But I think Spence is faster.

So what does Garcia have in his repertoire to upend Spence? Little.

Some keep shouting that "Mikey must know something" to take this bout with the bigger man.

All he knows is that he'll be earning a career high paycheck. That's what it comes down to.

And Garcia's reputation won't be hurt in a defeat to a man who is 2 weight divisions heavier.

It's Spence who is taking the risk. A loss to Garcia would be catastrophic in terms of credibility as one of boxing's best.

But Spence will come through. Too big, strong and talented.
Spence isn't faster. I think that's a myth placed on him maybe out of stereotype but Mikey definitely has faster hands and moves better than Spence.
Given the size discrepancy if Garcia has a hand speed advantage it will be minimal at best, but Spence's strength and power advantage will be significant. Also, I disagree that he moves better then Spence, Garcia and Spence both have non flashy technical educated feet, the only difference is that Spence is much more athletic then Garcia making his movement more explosive. Garcia is a little better counter puncher then Spence, but Spence has better punch variation and a more dynamic offense, meaning there is no position that Garcia is safe in this fight. Also, Spence is more durable then Garcia as he has faced a bigger puncher in Kell Brook and not hurt or been dropped, whereas Garcia was dropped by Roman Martinez. The only knock on Spence is he does not move his head as much as he should, but he still has good defense and does not take excessive punishment in any of his fights. Also their is a question on how the weight will effect Garcia's stamina because Spence gets better as the fight goes to the later rounds.
Spence is not more athletic nor more slick. That's just a myth assumed probably because he's Afircan American.

And people saying he's never been buzzed hasn't seen all of his fights.


Spence is absolutely more athletic then Garcia and that is very easy to see when you watch both of the two fighters fight,
The fact that you read race into that statement is something your gonna have to work out for yourself. One myth I keep hearing is that Garcia has a significant skill or technical advantage over Spence which he does not. This is probably assumed because Garcia is the naturally smaller fighter. Spence is just as slick as Garcia with a more varied offense, does'nt move his head as much but is great at parrying and stepping in and out.
To your video, Spence was buzzed by a punch, Mikey was put down and hurt by a punch watch and compare both videos because there is a big difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DitFHn0-saY

Spence has never been put down in a fight and has fought a bigger punchers then Garcia and ate everything they had to give, Garcia cannot say the same thing as was also put knocked down my Walter Estrada earlier in his career and this speaks to the durability advantage Spence has come fight night.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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I wonder if Spence will try to box him or try to break him. He could lose valuable rounds trying to box him.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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MIKEY GARCIA POINTS DECISION
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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Think Errol Spence is very talented but not as polished as mikey ,but this is going to be a tuff night for both but have to go with mikey points decision people are making a massive issue about the weight but that's what the best do go out of there comfort zone,and that's what mikey is the best but don't think Errol will be easy by no means and the weight issue really does matter but still mikey points decision
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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Any news on who has UK tv rights? I'd assume ITV due to the pbc deal bit have heard rumours of BN picking this one up?

For the record I'm backing Spence to make Garcia retire on his stool in the 8th :box:
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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Can't see Garcia winning, but think his boxing is good enough to survive the 12.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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:confused:
sturm vogel wrote: 06 Mar 2019, 18:01 Can't see Garcia winning, but think his boxing is good enough to survive the 12.
Me too. Garcia is a smart fighter.

Should Spence dominate and even stop Garcia, I hope he receives some credit.

I suspect a convincing win by Spence will just be dismissed as a bigger man predictably taking care of business against a smaller, weaker fighter.

I believe that all of the other top welters would not have an easy night with Garcia.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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SenorPipino wrote: 06 Mar 2019, 18:37 :confused:
sturm vogel wrote: 06 Mar 2019, 18:01 Can't see Garcia winning, but think his boxing is good enough to survive the 12.
Me too. Garcia is a smart fighter.

Should Spence dominate and even stop Garcia, I hope he receives some credit.

I suspect a convincing win by Spence will just be dismissed as a bigger man predictably taking care of business against a smaller, weaker fighter.

I believe that all of the other top welters would not have an easy night with Garcia.

Yes, if Garcia loses I hope we all can forgive him. He's a great little fighter but even the best have their limitations.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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Hobbitey123 wrote: 06 Mar 2019, 17:55 Any news on who has UK tv rights? I'd assume ITV due to the pbc deal bit have heard rumours of BN picking this one up?

For the record I'm backing Spence to make Garcia retire on his stool in the 8th :box:
No way is Garcia gonna give up on his stool.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 06 Mar 2019, 19:07
Hobbitey123 wrote: 06 Mar 2019, 17:55 Any news on who has UK tv rights? I'd assume ITV due to the pbc deal bit have heard rumours of BN picking this one up?

For the record I'm backing Spence to make Garcia retire on his stool in the 8th :box:
No way is Garcia gonna give up on his stool.
I think the way his fight with Salido ended, there are those who feel that Garcia might not deal well with real adversity.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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SenorPipino wrote: 06 Mar 2019, 19:12
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 06 Mar 2019, 19:07
Hobbitey123 wrote: 06 Mar 2019, 17:55 Any news on who has UK tv rights? I'd assume ITV due to the pbc deal bit have heard rumours of BN picking this one up?

For the record I'm backing Spence to make Garcia retire on his stool in the 8th :box:
No way is Garcia gonna give up on his stool.
I think the way his fight with Salido ended, there are those who feel that Garcia might not deal well with real adversity.
Garcia is too smart to allow himself to thrown to the lions. I'm not betting on this fight, but I can't wait to see it.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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I wonder if this is the type of fight where we get really imaginative - Garcia will do this, will do that, can negate that, etc.

But the reality is he gets blown away in 6 and we are left scratching our heads as to why we thought otherwise.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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I think that Team Mikey thinks that he can clip Spence early to get respect and outpoint him.

We will see soon.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

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lazboy wrote: 07 Mar 2019, 07:38 I wonder if this is the type of fight where we get really imaginative - Garcia will do this, will do that, can negate that, etc.

But the reality is he gets blown away in 6 and we are left scratching our heads as to why we thought otherwise.
Because he's a terrific fighter. Garcia has had a few fights at 140 so the jump to welter isn't the insurmountable obstacle that many have painted it to be.

If Garcia gets blown out in 6 (or blown out in any round for that matter) I'll be scratching my head over that.

I think he's competitive throughout. I expect it to go to the scorecards.

And I'm a Spence fan.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018

Post by victor-romeo »

When I first heard about this fight I thought Spence would win easy, but now after watching recent youtube video of Spence hitting heavy bag [he looked very pedestrian doing so], and seeing Mikey Garcia's new buffed Physique I am picking Garcia by KO from Garcia precision punching and timing like a sharp shooter. I am sure Spence is now feeling the pressure of the fight.
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