Wilder's DAZN Deal.

[oogiebe]

Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc

His motives are baffling

How do you not include Fury and AJ? Aren't they as much culpable?

[handsofstone]

Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc

His motives are baffling

How do you not include Fury and AJ? Aren't they as much culpable?

Fury fair enough for backing out a rematch with Wilder but what has Joshua done, I keep hearing all these vague accusations but what did he do? Finkel and Wilder have been avoiding talks with Hearn for months, content at the fact that everyone seems to lapping up the fact that Joshua somehow rejected a 50mil deal that was sent from Wilder's own personal account, nonsense Hearn has practically begging for some contact from them but they've just been ignoring him so whats he meant to do

Then Wilder tweets that he's a free agent and he gets offered an incredible 3 fight deal for 100mil and he rejects it to fight Breazeale on non PPV and Finkel expects people to believe he'll earn more here than elsewhere, fvcking no chance mate, I'm glad its finally clear to see that Wilder and Fury want fvck all to do with AJ and are happy to stay well clear and cling on to the deluded fans and haters who still actually believe Joshua is the duck

[oogiebe]

Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc

His motives are baffling

How do you not include Fury and AJ? Aren't they as much culpable?

Fury fair enough for backing out a rematch with Wilder but what has Joshua done, I keep hearing all these vague accusations but what did he do? Finkel and Wilder have been avoiding talks with Hearn for months, content at the fact that everyone seems to lapping up the fact that Joshua somehow rejected a 50mil deal that was sent from Wilder's own personal account, nonsense Hearn has practically begging for some contact from them but they've just been ignoring him so whats he meant to do

Then Wilder tweets that he's a free agent and he gets offered an incredible 3 fight deal for 100mil and he rejects it to fight Breazeale on non PPV and Finkel expects people to believe he'll earn more here than elsewhere, fvcking no chance mate, I'm glad its finally clear to see that Wilder and Fury want fvck all to do with AJ and are happy to stay well clear and cling on to the deluded fans and haters who still actually believe Joshua is the duck

Fair points. Personally, I don't get it Fury and Wilder not having the rematch and staying on course for AJ showdown. I mean I get that they want interims and make more money, but neither has shown that to be the case, especially Wilder who refused so much money for apparently nothing.

[Nightmare Roy]

Quack quack

[candyslim]

Stop it Roy. It's Joshua who's ducking. Get with the programme.

[Nightmare Roy]

Stop it Roy. It's Joshua who's ducking. Get with the programme.

...by getting his pay masters to offer him $100m, yeah seems like AJ wants no part of Wilder.

[keirw]

Wilder's people slate Joshua for not blindly accepting a bulls**t $50 Mill offer within a ridiculous 24 hour deadline.

They also downplay the significance of Joshua's victory over Wlad due to Wlad's age, inactivity and the fact he was coming off a loss.

But then they go and do this........

Even Wider's biggest fans must admit that it isn't a good look.

[Onetimeonly]

Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc

His motives are baffling

How do you not include Fury and AJ? Aren't they as much culpable?

Fury fair enough for backing out a rematch with Wilder but what has Joshua done, I keep hearing all these vague accusations but what did he do? Finkel and Wilder have been avoiding talks with Hearn for months, content at the fact that everyone seems to lapping up the fact that Joshua somehow rejected a 50mil deal that was sent from Wilder's own personal account, nonsense Hearn has practically begging for some contact from them but they've just been ignoring him so whats he meant to do

Then Wilder tweets that he's a free agent and he gets offered an incredible 3 fight deal for 100mil and he rejects it to fight Breazeale on non PPV and Finkel expects people to believe he'll earn more here than elsewhere, fvcking no chance mate, I'm glad its finally clear to see that Wilder and Fury want fvck all to do with AJ and are happy to stay well clear and cling on to the deluded fans and haters who still actually believe Joshua is the duck

Rafael said it's a 1 fight deal, he'll be making as much as dazn offered and an extension will have clauses to allow him to fight on other networks. It's not like fox and cbsdoesn't have money. I'd be hesitant with dazn too.

[candyslim]

Stop it Roy. It's Joshua who's ducking. Get with the programme.

...by getting his pay masters to offer him $100m, yeah seems like AJ wants no part of Wilder.

It's a slow painful struggle but gradually the penny is starting to drop,

[oogiebe]

$100 Million for three fights not including Joshua from Showtime. I can't see how that adds up. Fury and Wilder are losing their credibility and AJ fights Miller, who is at least a live body and poses a bit of a threat.

I really can't see how Showtime profits by doling out such money with no PPV's. Being a Wilder fan is becoming increasingly difficult if he's not going to be facing Joshua and/or Fury over the next year. Fury and Wilder's actions makes AJ look better and better. Rumors of Wlad and Ortiz being fights two and three still don't make the money add up. I wish all of this negotiating was quieter and the fvckers would just man-up and face one another.

[Onetimeonly]

$100 Million for three fights not including Joshua from Showtime. I can't see how that adds up. Fury and Wilder are losing their credibility and AJ fights Miller, who is at least a live body and poses a bit of a threat.

I really can't see how Showtime profits by doling out such money with no PPV's. Being a Wilder fan is becoming increasingly difficult if he's not going to be facing Joshua and/or Fury over the next year. Fury and Wilder's actions makes AJ look better and better. Rumors of Wlad and Ortiz being fights two and three still don't make the money add up. I wish all of this negotiating was quieter and the fvckers would just man-up and face one another.

Dazn costs less a month than Showtime and I'm sure they have far less subscribers.

[Onetimeonly]

Don't forget CBS owns Showtime and fox is involved too. Two giants like CBS and fox could bid on wilder fights under the same umbrella. They won't make money on it, but it's not far fetched to me.

[oogiebe]

$100 Million for three fights not including Joshua from Showtime. I can't see how that adds up. Fury and Wilder are losing their credibility and AJ fights Miller, who is at least a live body and poses a bit of a threat.

I really can't see how Showtime profits by doling out such money with no PPV's. Being a Wilder fan is becoming increasingly difficult if he's not going to be facing Joshua and/or Fury over the next year. Fury and Wilder's actions makes AJ look better and better. Rumors of Wlad and Ortiz being fights two and three still don't make the money add up. I wish all of this negotiating was quieter and the fvckers would just man-up and face one another.

Dazn costs less a month than Showtime and I'm sure they have far less subscribers.

I agree, but DAZN has much higher ceiling and covers more markets. Regardless, $100 million from Showtime? No PPV? Just doesn't seem probable. DAZN is in the ramp up stage and is making investments in its future. Showtime is established and isn't focused on just boxing. Showtime subs are approaching 8 million. DAZN numbers are difficult to find. Both subs cost about the same.

[oogiebe]

Don't forget CBS owns Showtime and fox is involved too. Two giants like CBS and fox could bid on wilder fights under the same umbrella. They won't make money on it, but it's not far fetched to me.

That is true. Fox and CBS have extremely deep pockets. We'll just have to let it play out and see.

[Onetimeonly]

$100 Million for three fights not including Joshua from Showtime. I can't see how that adds up. Fury and Wilder are losing their credibility and AJ fights Miller, who is at least a live body and poses a bit of a threat.

I really can't see how Showtime profits by doling out such money with no PPV's. Being a Wilder fan is becoming increasingly difficult if he's not going to be facing Joshua and/or Fury over the next year. Fury and Wilder's actions makes AJ look better and better. Rumors of Wlad and Ortiz being fights two and three still don't make the money add up. I wish all of this negotiating was quieter and the fvckers would just man-up and face one another.

Dazn costs less a month than Showtime and I'm sure they have far less subscribers.

I agree, but DAZN has much higher ceiling and covers more markets. Regardless, $100 million from Showtime? No PPV? Just doesn't seem probable. DAZN is in the ramp up stage and is making investments in its future. Showtime is established and isn't focused on just boxing. Showtime subs are approaching 8 million. DAZN numbers are difficult to find. Both subs cost about the same.

I don't think dazn has anywhere near a higher ceiling. How? Because of boxing? Showtime has 20-30 million subscribers and less than 1% watch boxing. You see dazn getting to 50-60 million subscribers for a sport noone watches and no ppv?

[oogiebe]

$100 Million for three fights not including Joshua from Showtime. I can't see how that adds up. Fury and Wilder are losing their credibility and AJ fights Miller, who is at least a live body and poses a bit of a threat.

I really can't see how Showtime profits by doling out such money with no PPV's. Being a Wilder fan is becoming increasingly difficult if he's not going to be facing Joshua and/or Fury over the next year. Fury and Wilder's actions makes AJ look better and better. Rumors of Wlad and Ortiz being fights two and three still don't make the money add up. I wish all of this negotiating was quieter and the fvckers would just man-up and face one another.

Dazn costs less a month than Showtime and I'm sure they have far less subscribers.

I agree, but DAZN has much higher ceiling and covers more markets. Regardless, $100 million from Showtime? No PPV? Just doesn't seem probable. DAZN is in the ramp up stage and is making investments in its future. Showtime is established and isn't focused on just boxing. Showtime subs are approaching 8 million. DAZN numbers are difficult to find. Both subs cost about the same.

I don't think dazn has anywhere near a higher ceiling. How? Because of boxing? Showtime has 20-30 million subscribers and less than 1% watch boxing. You see dazn getting to 50-60 million subscribers for a sport noone watches and no ppv?

I don't know enough to predict DAZN's subscriber rate. I'm assuming that they are still in building mode, which makes it viable for them to be investing in their future, thus the high dollar offers.

[Onetimeonly]

Much like the pbc investors did. They are talking hearts/Leonard money for Davis/farmer! I wouldn't sign long term with them. It can't prosper. The only thing I'll give them is pay cable model is definitely dwindling, but I can't see a scenario where this works. It's not about predicting their subscriber rate even near accurately. Do you think dazn can make boxing as popular 8n the states as it was in the 70's?

[oogiebe]

Much like the pbc investors did. They are talking hearts/Leonard money for Davis/farmer! I wouldn't sign long term with them. It can't prosper. The only thing I'll give them is pay cable model is definitely dwindling, but I can't see a scenario where this works. It's not about predicting their subscriber rate even near accurately. Do you think dazn can make boxing as popular 8n the states as it was in the 70's?

I fear that we'll never see that level of popularity again. Boxing isn't helping itself either.

[Onetimeonly]

Much like the pbc investors did. They are talking hearts/Leonard money for Davis/farmer! I wouldn't sign long term with them. It can't prosper. The only thing I'll give them is pay cable model is definitely dwindling, but I can't see a scenario where this works. It's not about predicting their subscriber rate even near accurately. Do you think dazn can make boxing as popular 8n the states as it was in the 70's?

I fear that we'll never see that level of popularity again. Boxing isn't helping itself either.

You're spot on, it will have to be if dazn is going to turn a profit on boxing.

[Rob3_142]

I get that some of these platforms have deep pockets, but where is the long term investment? At least when the likes of Sky/BT and DAZN/ESPN were throwing money at Joshua and Fury, there is at least a long term future there. What are the likes of Showtime and Fox going to gain from Wilder, when he's either on a three fight deal, which doesn't involve neither Joshua or Fury, or on a one fight deal which gives them no guarantee they'll make their money back.

It seems business suicide. If I'm any of those broadcasters, I am saying to Wilder, by all means make the Breazeale fight, but we are tying you down to either Joshua or Fury. By all means be a free agent, but you won't make millions off us fighting bums.

It doesn't add up. Either there is something we are missing here, or these American broadcasters don't like money.

[Rob3_142]

Fvcking disgrace to the fighters of yesteryear, guys like Wilder should never be mentioned in the same breath as Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Ward etc, guys who wanted to fight the best

His motives are baffling

As for Finkel boasting that Wilder can make more without fighting Joshua

Disgusts me

Listen, times have moved on. Those guys were never going to be offered the kind of money we are talking here. Not even a fraction of it. Every sports star earns more money than generations gone by.

Put the likes of Ali and Hagler in this generation and see what happens. Sports stars that are chauffeured around the industry by greedy agents/managers are taking this sport away from the sport.

[Onetimeonly]

I don't disagree, but if fox and CBS want to pay I won't scoff at wilder for it. Same as I didn't with fury.

[Rob3_142]

I think it's just the timing that stinks. Joshua signs with DAZN, and the rest just find a way to logistically avoid the other fighters.

[oogiebe]

I don't disagree, but if fox and CBS want to pay I won't scoff at wilder for it. Same as I didn't with fury.

It's not that we don't begrudge their ability to maximize purses, it's the BS of them saying they want to fight each other when that is clearly not the case. Fighters can demand their backers make the fights. The good old days are gone forever.

[Onetimeonly]

I don't disagree, but if fox and CBS want to pay I won't scoff at wilder for it. Same as I didn't with fury.

It's not that we don't begrudge their ability to maximize purses, it's the BS of them saying they want to fight each other when that is clearly not the case. Fighters can demand their backers make the fights. The good old days are gone forever.

A lot of big fights never happen. I think wilder and Joshua both want it. I don't think Eddie is too keen for it.