Hearn: If No Wilder - Then Joshua Faces Usyk, Pulev and Others

[ewenhay]

It is just like how Mayweather fans ignored the fact that 2/3 of people blamed him for May Pac not happening. Just live in your little bubble but those of us paying attention know that Anthony Joshua is the risk averse one. When Hearn and Joshua are brave enough then the fight will happen.
Edit - So I just read Hearn hasn't ruled out the fight happening in November despite the 50/50 demand. He just says that Wilder doesn't deserve that much.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Both sides are guilty of changing the goalposts.

But you're wasting your time with the Joshua crowd. It's all about percentages with them and in their mind Joshua and Hearn can do no wrong

If Wilder wants 50%, then wouldn't that be better than no fight at all for AJ?

You and I both know that oogie but others will give Joshua and Hearn a pass on that one as Wilder is "undeserving"

Wilder poses the biggest threat to AJ.

And he's got the belt they want

I always got the feeling that Hearn is just waiting for someone else to take Wilder out. It ain't gonna be Breazeale.

Yeah possibly. Someone more conventional who doesn't hit as hard.

[marvelous marv]

People are too sophisticated in today's world. They know Wilder would beat the likes of Charles Martin and Joseph Parker. Really it's just one champion vs another. 50-50 split is reasonable.

[jamamb]

People are too sophisticated in today's world. They know Wilder would beat the likes of Charles Martin and Joseph Parker. Really it's just one champion vs another. 50-50 split is reasonable.

what about $40m?

[ewenhay]

People are too sophisticated in today's world. They know Wilder would beat the likes of Charles Martin and Joseph Parker. Really it's just one champion vs another. 50-50 split is reasonable.

what about $40m?

What about it?

[jamamb]

im wondering if marv thinks thats a reasonable payday for dw, read closer

[The Asleep Lamps]

You babies let your feeling dictate your reason. Make the fight. Nobody demanded for Joshua vs these other men. I know one thing is Hearn is younger than me and that makes him a young punk who needs to make the fight.

You have failed to answer my question. What statement have I made, which you believe is unreasonable?

Everything you say is well versed chicanery. Just like if I were to say Wilder deserves 50%, you would have a problem with that, rather than just wanting to see the fight.

I know you're trolling, because nobody can have such a unrepresentative perspective, without actually providing any justification.

But I'll humour you, because I'm sat on a train for the next two hours.

Do you believe that Wilder deserves 50% of the money generated in this fight? If so, can you explain why you believe that?

I don't believe that he deserves 50% because he didn't beat Fury convincingly or maybe he would deserve close to 50. But I also don't believe that Joshua can demand the lion's share without being accused of pricing himself out of the fight.

[Rob3_142]

You babies let your feeling dictate your reason. Make the fight. Nobody demanded for Joshua vs these other men. I know one thing is Hearn is younger than me and that makes him a young punk who needs to make the fight.

You have failed to answer my question. What statement have I made, which you believe is unreasonable?

Everything you say is well versed chicanery. Just like if I were to say Wilder deserves 50%, you would have a problem with that, rather than just wanting to see the fight.

I know you're trolling, because nobody can have such a unrepresentative perspective, without actually providing any justification.

But I'll humour you, because I'm sat on a train for the next two hours.

Do you believe that Wilder deserves 50% of the money generated in this fight? If so, can you explain why you believe that?

I don't believe that he deserves 50% because he didn't beat Fury convincingly or maybe he would deserve close to 50. But I also don't believe that Joshua can demand the lion's share without being accused of pricing himself out of the fight.

But Joshua brings 75% of the belts, and brings a much larger commercial value to the fight. There are very few factors in Wilders favourite.

Joshua and his team have already offered in excess of 40% for the fight, which would treble/quadruple Wilders best pay day. If there is anyone pricing themselves out, it is Wilder.

[oogiebe]

You babies let your feeling dictate your reason. Make the fight. Nobody demanded for Joshua vs these other men. I know one thing is Hearn is younger than me and that makes him a young punk who needs to make the fight.

You have failed to answer my question. What statement have I made, which you believe is unreasonable?

Everything you say is well versed chicanery. Just like if I were to say Wilder deserves 50%, you would have a problem with that, rather than just wanting to see the fight.

I know you're trolling, because nobody can have such a unrepresentative perspective, without actually providing any justification.

But I'll humour you, because I'm sat on a train for the next two hours.

Do you believe that Wilder deserves 50% of the money generated in this fight? If so, can you explain why you believe that?

I don't believe that he deserves 50% because he didn't beat Fury convincingly or maybe he would deserve close to 50. But I also don't believe that Joshua can demand the lion's share without being accused of pricing himself out of the fight.

But Joshua brings 75% of the belts, and brings a much larger commercial value to the fight. There are very few factors in Wilders favourite.

Joshua and his team have already offered in excess of 40% for the fight, which would treble/quadruple Wilders best pay day. If there is anyone pricing themselves out, it is Wilder.

There is no fight without both parties. So let them work it out. Neither is to blame more than the other.

[The Asleep Lamps]

You babies let your feeling dictate your reason. Make the fight. Nobody demanded for Joshua vs these other men. I know one thing is Hearn is younger than me and that makes him a young punk who needs to make the fight.

You have failed to answer my question. What statement have I made, which you believe is unreasonable?

Everything you say is well versed chicanery. Just like if I were to say Wilder deserves 50%, you would have a problem with that, rather than just wanting to see the fight.

I know you're trolling, because nobody can have such a unrepresentative perspective, without actually providing any justification.

But I'll humour you, because I'm sat on a train for the next two hours.

Do you believe that Wilder deserves 50% of the money generated in this fight? If so, can you explain why you believe that?

I don't believe that he deserves 50% because he didn't beat Fury convincingly or maybe he would deserve close to 50. But I also don't believe that Joshua can demand the lion's share without being accused of pricing himself out of the fight.

But Joshua brings 75% of the belts, and brings a much larger commercial value to the fight. There are very few factors in Wilders favourite.

Joshua and his team have already offered in excess of 40% for the fight, which would treble/quadruple Wilders best pay day. If there is anyone pricing themselves out, it is Wilder.

Oh yeah they already offered him the world over and he just priced himself out.

[marvelous marv]

People are too sophisticated in today's world. They know Wilder would beat the likes of Charles Martin and Joseph Parker. Really it's just one champion vs another. 50-50 split is reasonable.

what about $40m?

I dont think a flat fee is appropriate for a fight of this magnitude. I am ok with Joshua turning down 50M for the fight. Wilder turning down 40M. I thought pacman did the right move by turning down 100M flat fee for Mayweather.

Both sides know this, every time you hear of a flat fee being offered you can guarantee it will not be accepted. It's just window dressing to make it seem like they are trying. When the negotiations get serious you hear about percentage splits going back and forth.

Eddie has been seen saying he didnt think they would accept 50-50 but of course never actually offered that deal. I say offer it and see what happens.

[Deleted_Scenes]

People are too sophisticated in today's world. They know Wilder would beat the likes of Charles Martin and Joseph Parker. Really it's just one champion vs another. 50-50 split is reasonable.

what about $40m?

I dont think a flat fee is appropriate for a fight of this magnitude. I am ok with Joshua turning down 50M for the fight. Wilder turning down 40M. I thought pacman did the right move by turning down 100M flat fee for Mayweather.

Both sides know this, every time you hear of a flat fee being offered you can guarantee it will not be accepted. It's just window dressing to make it seem like they are trying. When the negotiations get serious you hear about percentage splits going back and forth.

Eddie has been seen saying he didnt think they would accept 50-50 but of course never actually offered that deal. I say offer it and see what happens.

Where would a percentage come from though, seeing as the fight would probably be on DAZN not PPV? Whatever deal they come to, it would have to be a flat fee, right?

[tiny_acres]

People are too sophisticated in today's world. They know Wilder would beat the likes of Charles Martin and Joseph Parker. Really it's just one champion vs another. 50-50 split is reasonable.

what about $40m?

I dont think a flat fee is appropriate for a fight of this magnitude. I am ok with Joshua turning down 50M for the fight. Wilder turning down 40M. I thought pacman did the right move by turning down 100M flat fee for Mayweather.

Both sides know this, every time you hear of a flat fee being offered you can guarantee it will not be accepted. It's just window dressing to make it seem like they are trying. When the negotiations get serious you hear about percentage splits going back and forth.

Eddie has been seen saying he didnt think they would accept 50-50 but of course never actually offered that deal. I say offer it and see what happens.

Where would a percentage come from though, seeing as the fight would probably be on DAZN not PPV? Whatever deal they come to, it would have to be a flat fee, right?

Good question

[The Asleep Lamps]

I wanted to see Joshua vs Fury directly after Wilder vs Fury but that is a difficult negotiation as well I was told. But Fury can't decide whether he wants to face the top guys or the top 50 guys it seems. So that brings us back to Joshua vs Wilder. Let us get it over with already - i got my money right here to pay for it. I have wanted to watch a fight card at the movie theater for a while now. I hope they show it on the big screen.

[marvelous marv]

People are too sophisticated in today's world. They know Wilder would beat the likes of Charles Martin and Joseph Parker. Really it's just one champion vs another. 50-50 split is reasonable.

what about $40m?

I dont think a flat fee is appropriate for a fight of this magnitude. I am ok with Joshua turning down 50M for the fight. Wilder turning down 40M. I thought pacman did the right move by turning down 100M flat fee for Mayweather.

Both sides know this, every time you hear of a flat fee being offered you can guarantee it will not be accepted. It's just window dressing to make it seem like they are trying. When the negotiations get serious you hear about percentage splits going back and forth.

Eddie has been seen saying he didnt think they would accept 50-50 but of course never actually offered that deal. I say offer it and see what happens.

Where would a percentage come from though, seeing as the fight would probably be on DAZN not PPV? Whatever deal they come to, it would have to be a flat fee, right?

Good question

If it was on DAZN that would only account for the US markets and a few others. It would be on PPV in the UK and other foreign markets. Also there is the live gate to consider.

[marvelous marv]

I believe live gate for Mayweather - Pacquiao was around 72 million. This fight would be projected to surpass that.

[oogiebe]

I believe live gate for Mayweather - Pacquiao was around 72 million. This fight would be projected to surpass that.

live gate 72 Million? Is that a typo?

[marvelous marv]

No typo Aj vs Wlad was around 50 Million for gate.

[oogiebe]

No typo Aj vs Wlad was around 50 Million for gate.

Ah...dollars/pounds. I thought you were saying number of people. Got it!

[Rob3_142]

You babies let your feeling dictate your reason. Make the fight. Nobody demanded for Joshua vs these other men. I know one thing is Hearn is younger than me and that makes him a young punk who needs to make the fight.

You have failed to answer my question. What statement have I made, which you believe is unreasonable?

Everything you say is well versed chicanery. Just like if I were to say Wilder deserves 50%, you would have a problem with that, rather than just wanting to see the fight.

I know you're trolling, because nobody can have such a unrepresentative perspective, without actually providing any justification.

But I'll humour you, because I'm sat on a train for the next two hours.

Do you believe that Wilder deserves 50% of the money generated in this fight? If so, can you explain why you believe that?

I don't believe that he deserves 50% because he didn't beat Fury convincingly or maybe he would deserve close to 50. But I also don't believe that Joshua can demand the lion's share without being accused of pricing himself out of the fight.

But Joshua brings 75% of the belts, and brings a much larger commercial value to the fight. There are very few factors in Wilders favourite.

Joshua and his team have already offered in excess of 40% for the fight, which would treble/quadruple Wilders best pay day. If there is anyone pricing themselves out, it is Wilder.

Oh yeah they already offered him the world over and he just priced himself out.

Not the world over, just his best pay day by a country mile.

[The Asleep Lamps]

You babies let your feeling dictate your reason. Make the fight. Nobody demanded for Joshua vs these other men. I know one thing is Hearn is younger than me and that makes him a young punk who needs to make the fight.

You have failed to answer my question. What statement have I made, which you believe is unreasonable?

Everything you say is well versed chicanery. Just like if I were to say Wilder deserves 50%, you would have a problem with that, rather than just wanting to see the fight.

I know you're trolling, because nobody can have such a unrepresentative perspective, without actually providing any justification.

But I'll humour you, because I'm sat on a train for the next two hours.

Do you believe that Wilder deserves 50% of the money generated in this fight? If so, can you explain why you believe that?

I don't believe that he deserves 50% because he didn't beat Fury convincingly or maybe he would deserve close to 50. But I also don't believe that Joshua can demand the lion's share without being accused of pricing himself out of the fight.

But Joshua brings 75% of the belts, and brings a much larger commercial value to the fight. There are very few factors in Wilders favourite.

Joshua and his team have already offered in excess of 40% for the fight, which would treble/quadruple Wilders best pay day. If there is anyone pricing themselves out, it is Wilder.

Oh yeah they already offered him the world over and he just priced himself out.

Not the world over, just his best pay day by a country mile.

I heard all these arguments for Mayweather vs Pacquiao and all they did was make Floyd, and his fans look soft.
Back when men were men.

[Rob3_142]

The money which plagues the game now was not an option back in the 80's and early 90's. Comparing those eras to now is like comparing apples and oranges.

Trust me I was as frustrated as anyone on the Mayweather Pacquiao situation, but once again there is commercial equations which need to balance. This sport needs a central governing body, but whilst people are getting rich, it won't.