Kownacki Vs Arreola - 3rd Aug

[funso banjo baby]

kow v arreola has ugly but exciting brawl written all over it.

good fight

[Onetimeonly]

Hammer was 17-3 and his best wins were Johnson and Larsen, Cunningham was a CW who's best win was in 2007

Losing. Competitively to Josh or wilder is much better on a resume than winning a slugfest with Martin. So povetkin and Ortiz are clearly more deserving.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Kownacki initially thought he would fight Finland’s Robert Helenius (28-2, 17 KOs), but Premier Boxing Champions’ Al Haymon eventually settled on Arreola as Kownacki’s opponent. Arreola is 38 and mostly has lost against top opponents, but his style should mesh well with Kownacki’s approach to make for an entertaining fight at Barclays Center.

[dagilechia]

Losing. Competitively to Josh or wilder is much better on a resume than winning a slugfest with Martin. So povetkin and Ortiz are clearly more deserving.

i agree of course. i mean, Kownacki is #2 among contenders who have never got the titleshot so far. and it show how poor this division is.

[Contendeh]

I’d rather watch them both race each other in a 5k.

I’m kidding.

Not a bad fight.

[oogiebe]

Kownacki vs Hrgovic would be a good fight of styles. And probably levels.

[punchoutsb]

Much better and more winnable fight for Kow then Helenius. He’ll keep his 0 against fat Cristobal.

[Ilya Muromets]

My bet is K by KO in round 1 to 3. To those who say he hasn't faced good oposition, he demolished Szpilka and while doing so set the all time heavyweight record for most punches landed in a single round. IMO Szpilka had been beating Wilder in his previous fight before he got poleaxed. K's last 2 victims both fought for the heavyweight championships, and Martin was himself a heavyweight champion, albeit a very silly one since he achieved that lofty position without landing a single punch.

[Ilya Muromets]

Much better and more winnable fight for Kow then Helenius. He’ll keep his 0 against fat Cristobal.

Yep.

[jujigatame]

Hammer was 17-3 and his best wins were Johnson and Larsen, Cunningham was a CW who's best win was in 2007

Numerical records are meaningless and any serious boxing fan should know that. When Hammer fought Fury he had at least beaten a few solid C-listers like KJ, Larsen, and Airich. Cunningham was a top CW for years and then moved up and went to a razor-thin decision with a prime Adamek.

Neither Hammer or HW Cunningham were world-beaters. Both were better than anyone Kownacki has faced.

[dagilechia]

Numerical records are meaningless and any serious boxing fan should know that. When Hammer fought Fury he had at least beaten a few solid C-listers like KJ, Larsen, and Airich. Cunningham was a top CW for years and then moved up and went to a razor-thin decision with a prime Adamek.

Neither Hammer or HW Cunningham were world-beaters. Both were better than anyone Kownacki has faced.

all of the notable Kownacki's opponents (Szpilka, Martin and Washington) arguably had better resumes than Hammer. Szpilka had Adamek on his resume + a good fight vs Wilder, Martin was an ex ''champ'' and had Glazkov on his resume (of course it was an injury but he was winning until it happened and most likely he would win anyway) and Washington had Chambers - it means that all of them had a better win on their resumes than Hammer + they have never lost to the likes of Taras Bidenko.

Kownacki vs Martin was a war but it wasn't that close as some seem to think, it was a clear 97-93 fight (let's say that 96-94 is acceptable too but a draw would be surely too generous for Martin) but Fury was knocked down by a 20kg/45lbs lighter Cunningham and was losing until the stoppage which was seen as Fury's foul by some.

It wasn't a prime Adamek, not totally past it, but not his best as well, his HW prime was 2010, after the Klitschko beating and cashing out it was a different Adamek.

Chisora was fat and in terrible shape in the first bout vs Fury, before their second meeting, a lot of fans described him as ''shot'' and after the fight a lot of fans wanted him to retire.

Fury's record was probably a little bit better than Kownacki's but those records are comparable. Fury's record from this period looks better from today's perspective due to Chisora's wars with Whyte and win over Takam and Hammer's wins over Teper, Price and lasting the distance with Povetkin and Ortiz.

[punchoutsb]

all of the notable Kownacki's opponents (Szpilka, Martin and Washington) arguably had better resumes than Hammer. Szpilka had Adamek on his resume + a good fight vs Wilder, Martin was an ex ''champ'' and had Glazkov on his resume (of course it was an injury but he was winning until it happened and most likely he would win anyway) and Washington had Chambers - it means that all of them had a better win on their resumes than Hammer + they have never lost to the likes of Taras Bidenko.

At his best, Bidenko would have beaten Washington, Martin, Glazkov and Szpilka. He was an underrated boxer with good technical skills. His chin let him down against some heavy bangers but he was in every fight he had before he got old.

[dagilechia]

At his best, Bidenko would have beaten Washington, Martin, Glazkov and Szpilka. He was an underrated boxer with good technical skills. His chin let him down against some heavy bangers but he was in every fight he had before he got old.

I know that he was underestimated but cmon, he defeated Hammer after losing to Boytsov in 6 and Helenius in 3 year before... he also fought Szpilka 2,5 years after the Hammer win and he retired after round 1 due to ''injury'' (in this fight he already looked totally shot though).

i doubt that he would defeat Martin, Szpilka and Glazkov, maybe he would defeat Washington.

[jujigatame]

all of the notable Kownacki's opponents (Szpilka, Martin and Washington) arguably had better resumes than Hammer. Szpilka had Adamek on his resume + a good fight vs Wilder, Martin was an ex ''champ'' and had Glazkov on his resume (of course it was an injury but he was winning until it happened and most likely he would win anyway) and Washington had Chambers - it means that all of them had a better win on their resumes than Hammer + they have never lost to the likes of Taras Bidenko.

Kownacki vs Martin was a war but it wasn't that close as some seem to think, it was a clear 97-93 fight (let's say that 96-94 is acceptable too but a draw would be surely too generous for Martin) but Fury was knocked down by a 20kg/45lbs lighter Cunningham and was losing until the stoppage which was seen as Fury's foul by some.

It wasn't a prime Adamek, not totally past it, but not his best as well, his HW prime was 2010, after the Klitschko beating and cashing out it was a different Adamek.

Chisora was fat and in terrible shape in the first bout vs Fury, before their second meeting, a lot of fans described him as ''shot'' and after the fight a lot of fans wanted him to retire.

Fury's record was probably a little bit better than Kownacki's but those records are comparable. Fury's record from this period looks better from today's perspective due to Chisora's wars with Whyte and win over Takam and Hammer's wins over Teper, Price and lasting the distance with Povetkin and Ortiz.

They're really not comparable and you have to jump through mental hoops to make them so. Washington and Martin are C-list nobodies. Spilika is Kownacki's best opponent and he has 1 decent win (Adamek in 2014) and had been TKO'd by Jennings and was coming off a brutal KO from Wilder that required an 18-month layoff.

As I said, Chisora x2, Cunningham, and Hammer were all better wins than Kownacki's best. When you have 4 wins that are better than another fighter's best win, your resume's are not comparable. There is a clear gap in quality.

[jujigatame]

BTW, Hammer's losses in 2010 are not very meaningful to this conversation. He started his career 7-3 and was clearly a very different fighter by the time he fought Fury 5 years later. His resume was actually very similar to Kownacki's at the time, in that he'd beaten a bunch of decent C-level guys (KJ, Airich, Larsen) but no real contenders.

[morm]

Kownacki vs Hrgovic would be a good fight of styles. And probably levels.

Arreola is past, i agree Kownacki - Hrgovic would be a battle, Chrismas for boks
Hrgovic is my favorit

[Lackeos]

I like fat Kow but lets be serious he is fighting prospect food.

Martin, Washington, Arreola... That would be a good run for an 8 fight novice like Hrgovic or impressive for a ~21 year old youngster like Dubois but with the current HW climate it doesn't scream 'deserves a world title shot' to me.

Martin, Washington, Arreola, and Szpilka. For comparison, let's look at the kind of win streaks that some of Wilder's challengers were on.

Breazeale: Molina, Ugonoh
Stiverne 2: Rossy
Washington: Chambers
Arreola: Nobody
Szpilka: past-it Adamek
Duhaupas: Charr
Molina: Grano, Williamson
Stiverne 1: Arreola x2 (Stiverne 1 wasn't technically a challenge to Wilder, because Stiverne was the titlist)

It looks like it screams "in the current HW climate, Kownacki has done more than most of Wilder's challengers to earn a title shot. P.S. TITLE SHOT!"

Coincidentally, a win over Arreola would be Kownacki's third Wilder victim (this is actually three consecutive names on Wilder's record from January 2016 to February 2017). These are all guys who actually challenged for Wilder's title.

Honestly, it sounds like you don't have a very accurate grasp of what a typical heavyweight title challenger has accomplished leading-up to his title shot on average. I should add that it also sounds like you don't know what a typical 8-fight novice's record looks like. Wait, here's another one. It sounds like you also don't know who Dubois has beaten, because he definitely doesn't have any Charles Martins on his record.

[JohnMcMinn]

This should be an entertaining fight. I think Kownacki is as deserving as anyone of a title shot at this point, which says a lot about the state of the heavyweight division.

I remember being excited to watch every Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Lennox, Bowe, Morrison, etc fight with my grandpa as a kid. If I were growing up now I can’t imagine finding anything of interest in this division other than the occasional Wilder KO or Fury resurrection.

[jujigatame]

There are great fights to be made in the division, they're just not being made.

In a perfect world, the AJ/Wilder/Furys of the world would be busy fighting each other, and Kownacki would be fighting another fringe contender like Parker to try to work their way into that conversation.

[JohnMcMinn]

There are no signs that the good possible fights in this division will ever be made, that’s why it’s a joke right now. There are definitely some good boxers, they just won’t fight each other.

[Ilya Muromets]

The fight is not listed on Boxrec.

[jamamb]

give it time home boi, it makes perfect sense that theyd make this one , in house pbc, 'fun' pairing, and a fight kow should win vs a recognizable name before they inevitably let him get pummelled by wilder

kownacki making it to a title shot without having taken a loss will have been a huge victory for kow in itselff

[Ilya Muromets]

give it time home boi, it makes perfect sense that theyd make this one , in house pbc, 'fun' pairing, and a fight kow should win vs a recognizable name before they inevitably let him get pummelled by wilder

kownacki making it to a title shot without having taken a loss will have been a huge victory for kow in itselff

But I pick Kow to do the pummeling!

[jamamb]

cant see it myself, he does nothing better then wilder except eat

[Ilya Muromets]

cant see it myself, he does nothing better then wilder except eat

I'm thinking Kow swarms Wilder with his mile a minute punching barrage. Wilder really has nothing except that piledriver punch from long range and if Kow doesn't give him a chance to get it off then down he goes - but maybe Wilder will catch him on the way in and KO him in 15 seconds - but I'm picking the first scenario - but that's what makes horse racing - you pick one I pick another.