will ruiz or wilder b #1 on boxrec tomorrow ? *

[HomicideHenry]

Fury wasn't robbed and the debate for best heavyweight on the planet is up in the air. You'd spend the $4 in your pocket on a used fury jockstrap.

2 knockdowns in 12 rounds doesn't constitute a draw, and if you believe that you either don't understand mathematics let alone boxing. Fury was robbed, that was the universal consensus despite fringe ideologies like yours.

Besides if a guy is gone for nearly three years, weighs nearly 400 pounds, loses enough to be 260, and was a damned drug addict.... And it wasn't even close.... Then he's the absolute best.

I bet you believe even now Fury would lose to Anthony Joshua. I bet right now you believe Wilder's still second best to Joshua. In your mind this is all probably one big mistake that Joshua will rectify and resume being #1 in the world.

Up in the air? Holy smokes.... It's readily apparent that Fury would slap around Ruiz and make Deontay look even sillier than before now that he's in greater shape.

As for my $4 I'll bet my $4 at 50-1 odds that Fury not only beats Wilder and becomes WBC champion he'll retire undefeated.

[gp.]

Well, Wilder can be seen defeated by Ruiz. Wilder's defense is so-so too. He's just more gutsy, than Joshua. But still Ruiz can get to him. The thing is, Joshua got to Ruiz faster, than Ruiz got to him. With Wilder Ruiz won't have such luck, if he gets caught by Wilder first, he'll be out.

And with Fury, yeah, it's hard to see Andy winning.

I don't know if we can say that about a man who has never been knocked out. yes, Wilder hits harder than anyone else, but there's a possibility Ruiz will be able to stand up to it. Fury got up. We won't know until it happens.

Oddly my thoughts on Joshua-Wilder have flipped completely; whereas before I thought Joshua could just outbox him and take his time, now I would say Joshua's best chance would be to knock Wilder out early. If it goes long, he is going to get caught at some point and stopped.

[Onetimeonly]

2 knockdowns in 12 rounds doesn't constitute a draw, and if you believe that you either don't understand mathematics let alone boxing. Fury was robbed, that was the universal consensus despite fringe ideologies like yours.

Besides if a guy is gone for nearly three years, weighs nearly 400 pounds, loses enough to be 260, and was a damned drug addict.... And it wasn't even close.... Then he's the absolute best.

I bet you believe even now Fury would lose to Anthony Joshua. I bet right now you believe Wilder's still second best to Joshua. In your mind this is all probably one big mistake that Joshua will rectify and resume being #1 in the world.

Up in the air? Holy smokes.... It's readily apparent that Fury would slap around Ruiz and make Deontay look even sillier than before now that he's in greater shape.

As for my $4 I'll bet my $4 at 50-1 odds that Fury not only beats Wilder and becomes WBC champion he'll retire undefeated.

[HomicideHenry]

Well since you didn't disagree with me saying that you still think Joshua's #1 and that he could beat Fury .... I'll take your bullshit emoji as proof that you do really think that way.

[leejonesjnr]

"The Man" is the lineal champ. That's Fury. Two years out doesn't stop you being it. You are just making poo up to suit yourself.


Even if you did accept a period of inactivity stops you being lineal champ, which it doesn't, it's certainly not Joshua; it would have been nobody since Fury fought Wlad. Wlad doesn't get it back, and Joshua would have had to fight the other leading candidate - Wilder - in order to claim it.

If you announce your retirement from the sport of boxing, don’t hold a license and don’t box, you are no longer a boxer.
If you are not a boxer you can not be a boxing champion, especially whilst accepting that you were a drugs cheat.

[DrDuke]

I don't know if we can say that about a man who has never been knocked out. yes, Wilder hits harder than anyone else, but there's a possibility Ruiz will be able to stand up to it. Fury got up. We won't know until it happens.

Oddly my thoughts on Joshua-Wilder have flipped completely; whereas before I thought Joshua could just outbox him and take his time, now I would say Joshua's best chance would be to knock Wilder out early. If it goes long, he is going to get caught at some point and stopped.

Yeah, I gotta agree with both your points.

[Onetimeonly]

Well since you didn't disagree with me saying that you still think Joshua's #1 and that he could beat Fury .... I'll take your bullshit emoji as proof that you do really think that way.

Of course he could beat fury. I've already stated that wilder would be my #1 now. My emoji was just a way not to 'push your buttons' and make you sob like the bitch that you are. Have a good night buttercup.

[gp.]

If you announce your retirement from the sport of boxing, don’t hold a license and don’t box, you are no longer a boxer.
If you are not a boxer you can not be a boxing champion, especially whilst accepting that you were a drugs cheat.

I don't agree (and more to the point neither do the people who matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... _champions

But as I said, even if I grant that, then Joshua was still not lineal champion. What made him "The Man" rather than Wilder? Wlad does not get the title back on Fury's "retirement", and Joshua had not cleaned out the division.

[leejonesjnr]

I don't agree (and more to the point neither do the people who matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... _champions

But as I said, even if I grant that, then Joshua was still not lineal champion. What made him "The Man" rather than Wilder? Wlad does not get the title back on Fury's "retirement", and Joshua had not cleaned out the division.

You don’t agree that someone who is not a boxer can’t be a boxing champion and you think that Wikipedia is ‘the people that matter’.
I have no interest in continuing this interaction.

[gp.]

You don’t agree that someone who is not a boxer can’t be a boxing champion and you think that Wikipedia is ‘the people that matter’.
I have no interest in continuing this interaction.

Tyson Fury can retain the lineal championship because he was away a short time and nobody else claimed it in his absence.

Wikipedia is reporting the views of those who maintain the lineal championship. Go there and follow the references if you prefer.

I'm not surprised you are not interested in the truth and prefer your own unsubstantiated opinions; you certainly seem that type.

Absolutely no response on why Joshua rather than Wilder should be the Man, either.

[leejonesjnr]

Tyson Fury can retain the lineal championship because he was away a short time and nobody else claimed it in his absence.

Wikipedia is reporting the views of those who maintain the lineal championship. Go there and follow the references if you prefer.

I'm not surprised you are not interested in the truth and prefer your own unsubstantiated opinions; you certainly seem that type.

Absolutely no response on why Joshua rather than Wilder should be the Man, either.

Dear oh dear.
Check out what Wikipedia actually is, and what Lineal Championship means.
I, like most people I believe, would have placed Joshua above Wilder as he held 3 pieces of a 4 piece jigsaw.
I wish I had the discipline to ignore this type of discussion after someone has identified their level and I’ve declared myself out.

[gp.]

Dear oh dear.
Check out what Wikipedia actually is, and what Lineal Championship means.
I, like most people I believe, would have placed Joshua above Wilder as he held 3 pieces of a 4 piece jigsaw.
I wish I had the discipline to ignore this type of discussion after someone has identified their level and I’ve declared myself out.

That article tells you what lineal championship means. it's sourced from the organisations that maintain the records. Wikipedia is simply a repository of information drawn from other sources. I know anyone can edit it, but that article is fine, as you can see if you check the references. If you think there's anything wrong in that Wikipedia article, tell me what. You'll struggle.

Anyway, my argument is not based on Wikipedia, as you are now trying to pretend, because you have no argument against my points.

I have said I'll give you the Fury retirement thing. If that was the case, there is no lineal champion now. Years can pass without there being a lineal champion if the champion retires, you need to clean out the division to hold it. Not just hold three alphabet belts.

[leejonesjnr]

That article tells you what lineal championship means. it's sourced from the organisations that maintain the records. Wikipedia is simply a repository of information drawn from other sources. I know anyone can edit it, but that article is fine, as you can see if you check the references. If you think there's anything wrong in that Wikipedia article, tell me what. You'll struggle.

Anyway, my argument is not based on Wikipedia, as you are now trying to pretend, because you have no argument against my points.

I have said I'll give you the Fury retirement thing. If that was the case, there is no lineal champion now. Years can pass without there being a lineal champion if the champion retires, you need to clean out the division to hold it. Not just hold three alphabet belts.

I’m not suggesting that Joshua is the ‘lineal champion’ just that he is, well was, widely regarded as the top of the division.

[pound per pound]

No, the man is Fury. Joshua was just a guy with the belts.

We don't know who the man is. Ruiz, Wilder, and Fury need to fight each other to sort that out.

I never viewed Fury as anything but a very tall and defensive type of spoiler. Wilder doesn't face good competition.

Ruiz, in my opinion, has the best win of the bunch, so I'd give him the #1 spot for now.

[gp.]

I’m not suggesting that Joshua is the ‘lineal champion’ just that he is, well was, widely regarded as the top of the division.

Then he is not "The Man", because "the Man" is the lineal champion. That's what I said in the first place. Why on earth have you been arguing? My first words to you were ""The Man" is the lineal champ. That's Fury" and you have been arguing until you are blue in the face about him having retired.

If what you meant is ""The Man" doesn't have to be the lineal champ"" you've been wasting your and my time here.

[greg]

..all of these top guys look vulnerable which is good!

[leejonesjnr]

Then he is not "The Man", because "the Man" is the lineal champion. That's what I said in the first place. Why on earth have you been arguing? My first words to you were ""The Man" is the lineal champ. That's Fury" and you have been arguing until you are blue in the face about him having retired.

If what you meant is ""The Man" doesn't have to be the lineal champ"" you've been wasting your and my time here.

What a fool.

[gp.]

What a fool.

That's not an argument. I can call you a thick pudendum, but it doesn't count for anything unless I give a reason. For example, you're a thick pudendum because you can't read and have spent hours arguing something that you now say you don't believe.

Why do you think I'm a fool?

[leejonesjnr]

Why do you think I'm a fool?

Because of all the evidence.
This is the end of this nonsense, don’t expect any more replies from me.

[ironbeard]

That's not an argument. I can call you a thick pudendum, but it doesn't count for anything unless I give a reason. For example, you're a thick pudendum because you can't read and have spent hours arguing something that you now say you don't believe.

Why do you think I'm a fool?

Because you are pulling a completely rancid piece of sh!t out of your ass in order to rationalize why a dude with no belts is The Man over the dude who just beat the crowns and castle out of The acknowledged king of boxing.

ALL HAIL KING RUIZ JR.!!!! The Man who earned his crown.

[gp.]

Because you are pulling a completely rancid piece of sh!t out of your ass in order to rationalize why a dude with no belts is The Man over the dude who just beat the crowns and castle out of The acknowledged king of boxing.

ALL HAIL KING RUIZ JR.!!!! The Man who earned his crown.

Because "The Man" means the linear champion.

It's a different thing from being #1. Ruiz can be #1 without being "The Man".

[ironbeard]

Because "The Man" means the linear champion.

It's a different thing from being #1. Ruiz can be #1 without being "The Man".

You can’t even spell it. Go do your weekend homework.

[gp.]

Because of all the evidence.
This is the end of this nonsense, don’t expect any more replies from me.

Cite some of the evidence, or it might look like there isn't any, and you are just being abusive because you have nothing else.

[gp.]

You can’t even spell it. Go do your weekend homework.

What on earth is this comment even supposed to mean?

What argument are you making? Are you saying Ruiz is linear champion, or are you saying "The Man" needn't be the linear champion?

[ironbeard]

What on earth is this comment even supposed to mean?

What argument are you making? Are you saying Ruiz is linear champion, or are you saying "The Man" needn't be the linear champion?

I was quite clear, son. Go do your homework. Start with spelling.