THE RING rates TYSON FURY #1

[Enlightened-One]

This is the only thing that is relevant in that long post.

Dillian Whyte can't do anything about the fight game, or what fight fans do. He can't reform the governance of the sport. He can only make decisions regarding himself.

What do you think will happen to Dillian Whyte if he refuses to take a subpar purse? Do you think

a: They will come back and offer him more (despite the fact that you think they are ducking him and don't want to fight him)

or

b: He will never get a title shot?

As I’ve already stated in my previous post, Dillian Whyte can only continue doing what he currently does, which is to face the very best available opposition whilst being paid his commercial worth, with his bouts headlining PPV events.

Even if this means he’s never granted an opportunity to challenge for any version of the world title.

‘The Body Snatcher’ is being ducked by the marquee names in the division, with the sports’ governing bodies complicit in preventing him from receiving long overdue title-shot opportunities he clearly deserves. And fight fans are partially responsible for this.

What might happen in the distant future, assuming AJ avenges his sole loss to Ruiz Jr., is that when the three-man Round Robin tournament between Wilder, Fury and Joshua reaches its inevitable conclusion, is that the last-man standing might be compelled to face Dillian Whyte in order to seek the best available payday, as they may have run out of viable options, because there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s one of the commercially-successful fighters currently competing in the heavyweight division.

[Ilya Muromets]

THE RING rates TYSON FURY #1


I think that's the first time I've ever agreed with Ring about anything.

[gp.]

As I’ve already stated in my previous post, Dillian Whyte can only continue doing what he currently does, which is to face the very best available opposition whilst being paid his commercial worth, with his bouts headlining PPV events.

Even if this means he’s never granted an opportunity to challenge for any version of the world title.

‘The Body Snatcher’ is being ducked by the marquee names in the division, with the sports’ governing bodies complicit in preventing him from receiving long overdue title-shot opportunities he clearly deserves. And fight fans are partially responsible for this.

What might happen in the distant future, assuming AJ avenges his sole loss to Ruiz Jr., is that when the three-man Round Robin tournament between Wilder, Fury and Joshua reaches its inevitable conclusion, is that the last-man standing might be compelled to face Dillian Whyte in order to seek the best available payday, as they may have run out of viable options, because there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s one of the commercially-successful fighters currently competing in the heavyweight division.

Well, that's terrible advice and I hope for his sake he doesn't listen to you.

If he gets a low-ball offer for a championship fight and he thinks he can win he should grab it, beat whoever made it, and set himself up for life.

You remind me of the people who refuse on principle ever to do an hour's work unpaid and wonder why they stay on minimum wage all their life.

[gilgamesh]

I can see ranking him #1, I wouldn't personally, but I can see a case for it. Albeit not a particularly good one.

[oogiebe]

So what? Does this provide solace to Fury fans? The Ring doesn't matter anymore. GBP's is the owner. It's not like it used to be when most boxing fans looked to an independent The Ring Ranking. I can see Fury being rated number one, but I don't lean that way at this point.

[tiny_acres]

So what? Does this provide solace to Fury fans? The Ring doesn't matter anymore. GBP's is the owner. It's not like it used to be when most boxing fans looked to an independent The Ring Ranking. I can see Fury being rated number one, but I don't lean that way at this point.

yep the ring is just a publicity mag for golden boy

[Enlightened-One]

Well, that's terrible advice and I hope for his sake he doesn't listen to you.

If he gets a low-ball offer for a championship fight and he thinks he can win he should grab it, beat whoever made it, and set himself up for life.

Dillian Whyte should refrain from signing-up to a two-fight deal (involving rematch clauses) placing him under the legal obligation to accept a considerable pay cut on two separate occasions, where he is being paid less than other title contenders in precisely the same situation and also receiving smaller paydays than what he’s accustomed to.

Boxing is a business involving huge health risks and any fight involving Dillian Whyte is going to generate a lot of money. He deserves to be paid his commercial worth and be receive his slice of the pie.

[HomicideHenry]

[jamamb]

lol fury fan boys be loving lineal and the ring over the last few years

[oogiebe]

lol fury fan boys be loving lineal and the ring over the last few years

Until they settle it in the ring, there is no clear number one IMHO. That includes AJ, assuming he wins the rematch as I expect.

[jamamb]

its more muddles now, before aj was my clear 1, but now i can see different cases

fury beat wlad when wlad was dominant and i did have him beating wilder
wilder has a deeper resume then fury over the last few years and officially didnt lost to him
ruiz has the best single win but has thin resume otherwise


aj defo cant be 1 at the moment though. the rematch will be interesting, but even if he wins that convingly i think that it gets him back to 1 unless something happens to fury or wilder

[oogiebe]

its more muddles now, before aj was my clear 1, but now i can see different cases

fury beat wlad when wlad was dominant and i did have him beating wilder
wilder has a deeper resume then fury over the last few years and officially didnt lost to him
ruiz has the best single win but has thin resume otherwise


aj defo cant be 1 at the moment though. the rematch will be interesting, but even if he wins that convingly i dont know that it gets him back to 1

That's why I say until they settle it in the ring. Until then, it's all just conjecture.

[JCS]

Don't really have a problem with the decision.

It all boils down to how you score the imaginary thing we know as inactivity. The software programs must do it to handle the typical decline of an inactive boxer. Humans do not have to do so in subjective lists.

How long had it been since there was a clearer #1 in the HW division as Wladimir was.. right before Fury beat him? Lennox? Fury hasn't lost since... and the draw against Wilder should've been a win..

[HomicideHenry]

[leejonesjnr]

The Ring should rate Ruiz as number one.
No matter who you personally believe is the best, Wilder, Fury, whoever, The Ring rated Joshua as number one and Ruiz beat him. That should give Ruiz the spot.

[Enlightened-One]

The Ring should rate Ruiz as number one.
No matter who you personally believe is the best, Wilder, Fury, whoever, The Ring rated Joshua as number one and Ruiz beat him. That should give Ruiz the spot.

The problem is that so many people were shocked about Joshua losing to a short guy who appears to be morbidly obese, is that they wrongly assume that Ruiz Jr’s victory was merely a fluke, compelling them to actively seek an excuse for AJ’s loss (i.e. panic attack, complacency, being knocked down in training, concussion, his entourage, having a poor trainer, Miller’s withdrawal, shock, competing on foreign soil, the Drake curse, ring rust, being forced to fight clean due to VADA testing, undertrained etc.).

So they can’t consider the possibility that they underestimated Andy Ruiz Jr’s talents.

[Finkel]

The Ring should rate Ruiz as number one.
No matter who you personally believe is the best, Wilder, Fury, whoever, The Ring rated Joshua as number one and Ruiz beat him. That should give Ruiz the spot.

I gather ring adjust their rankings based on a conference group decision.

I remember reading their boards after Wilder v Fury and the ring magazine authors confirmed they felt Fury had beaten Wilder, despite the draw ruling, so they ranked him higher. They also said any matchup between #1 and #2 would be recognized for the ring magazine belt.

I don't have an issue with them judging Ruiz to be below Fury and Wilder in terms of who is better. Maybe if Ruiz defends the titles against Joshua and comes out on top, they will move him up the rankings

Though I also suspect they have taken this as an opportunity to put the Ring Belt back in play should we get Wilder Fury II as promised later this year

[ironbeard]

The Man was beaten by The Fat King of Boxing. TFKoB is now The Man to beat.

Fury v Schwarz?

Wilder v Ortiz II?

[gp.]

Dillian Whyte should refrain from signing-up to a two-fight deal (involving rematch clauses) placing him under the legal obligation to accept a considerable pay cut on two separate occasions, where he is being paid less than other title contenders in precisely the same situation and also receiving smaller paydays than what he’s accustomed to.

Boxing is a business involving huge health risks and any fight involving Dillian Whyte is going to generate a lot of money. He deserves to be paid his commercial worth and be receive his slice of the pie.

You are still not getting it.

Your way, according to your assessment of the situation, won't get him a slice of the pie. He will be frozen out forever.

The way for him to make more money in the long run, if he thinks he can win, and if they are trying to avoid him (which is what you claim) is to take a smaller payday tomorrow in order to get big paydays down the line.

You keep waffling round the point that if he does not do this he won't get a bigger pay day ever.

If you disagree, what do you think will force anyone into giving him what you think he is worth? if you can show a good argument as to why this will happen - not why you think it's fair, or why it should happen, but why it will happen - that counteracts my argument. But you are not coming up with anything. You are just restating your moral assessment of the situation.

[Enlightened-One]

You are still not getting it.

Your way, according to your assessment of the situation, won't get him a slice of the pie. He will be frozen out forever.

The way for him to make more money in the long run, if he thinks he can win, and if they are trying to avoid him (which is what you claim) is to take a smaller payday tomorrow in order to get big paydays down the line.

You keep waffling round the point that if he does not do this he won't get a bigger pay day ever.

If you disagree, what do you think will force anyone into giving him what you think he is worth? if you can show a good argument as to why this will happen - not why you think it's fair, or why it should happen, but why it will happen - that counteracts my argument. But you are not coming up with anything. You are just restating your moral assessment of the situation.

My argument is compelling and reflects Dillian’s decision-making in the real-world.

The barometer to gauge whether or not he’s making the right choice is subjective in nature.

We disagree. You think he’s doing the wrong thing and I don’t. It’s as simple as that.

Multiple fighters have rejected title shot opportunities due to receiving “derogatory lowball” offers and here are several examples:

• Luis Ortiz, Dillian Whyte and Deontay Wilder have all rejected opportunities to face Anthony Joshua.
• Lennox Lewis rejected the Riddick Bowe fight
• Juan Manuel Marquez rejected an opportunity to fight Naseem Hamed
• Junior Witter rejected a shot at Ricky Hatton
• Vanes Martirosyan declined to face Alfredo Angulo
• Mikkel Kessler rejected the Lucian Bute fight
• Carlos Quintana once rejected the Paul Williams bout
• Gennadiy Golovkin has declined multiple offers to face Canelo

Of course, some of the aforementioned bouts eventually happened, but only after the A-side submitted an improved financial offer.

Regardless, Dillian Whyte is not the first fighter in course of history to reject opportunities to face A-side world champions due to receiving lowball offers.

Dillian Whyte deserves to be paid his commercial worth. He shouldn’t be obliged to accept smaller purses simply because he presents a higher risk to the world champions competing within the same weight class, especially considering he brings an awful lot of money to the negotiation table.

[oogiebe]

I'm beginning to think this way. If Whyte thought he could win then he would no doubt include the value of holding a belt(s) as well as his purse. Being a titlist would bring him all the value he thinks he deserves in subsequent bouts. So maybe he just doesn't think he could win and therefore merely wants the payday.

[Enlightened-One]

I'm beginning to think this way. If Whyte thought he could win then he would no doubt include the value of holding a belt(s) as well as his purse. Being a titlist would bring him all the value he thinks he deserves in subsequent bouts. So maybe he just doesn't think he could win and therefore merely wants the payday.

Do you really think that Dillian Whyte should accept two lowball offers, since he'd inevitably need to sign an immediate rematch clause?

Where do you draw the line?

What if Eddie Hearn or Al Haymon not only forced the lowball offer and an immediate rematch clause, but they also wanted him to sign-up for a multi-fight deal with their network/promotional company?

Is the world title really worth that much that any fighter must feel compelled to do just about anything to receive an opportunity to fight for one?

Dillian Whyte has earned the right to avoid being exploited.

He’s not the only fighter to reject opportunities to face marquee names due to receiving lowball offers. Fight fans weren't demanding any of those guys to take a pay cut, so what's so different about Dillian Whyte?

[oogiebe]

Do you really think that Dillian Whyte should accept two lowball offers, since he'd inevitably need to sign an immediate rematch clause?

Where do you draw the line?

What if Eddie Hearn or Al Haymon not only forced the lowball offer, and immediate rematch clause, but they wanted him to sign-up for a multi-fight deal with their network/promoter?

Is the world title really worth that much that any fighter must feel compelled to do just about anything to receive an opportunity to fight for one?

Dillian Whyte has earned the right to avoid being exploited.

He’s not the only fighter to reject opportunities to face marquee names due to receiving lowball offers. Fight fans weren't demanding any of those guys to take a pay cut, so what's so different about Dillian Whyte?

It's not like he was offered less than 1 million. He made his choice to not accept the fight. He's not a huge PPV draw and maybe 4/5 million was the right offer.

[SenorPipino]

Whyte is hardly a boxing superstar or even an elite.

If he can earn several million for a title shot, he should grab it.

Let him actually win a world title. Then he can name his purse and earn a fortune.

Until then....

[oogiebe]

Whyte is hardly a boxing superstar or even an elite.

If he can earn several million for a title shot, he should grab it.

Let him actually win a world title. Then he can name his purse and earn a fortune.

Until then....

Exactly what I posted before. He's really deluded to think he is some PPV attraction on his own.