THE RING rates TYSON FURY #1

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oogiebe wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 12:26 It's not like he was offered less than 1 million. He made his choice to not accept the fight. He's not a huge PPV draw and maybe 4/5 million was the right offer. :maybe:
Dillian Whyte was offered a smaller payday to face AJ for the second time than the purse he was paid for the Dereck Chisora rematch. This was not disputed by Eddie Hearn.

Coincidentally, shortly after ‘The Body Snatcher’ declined Matchroom’s offer to engage in the rematch with Anthony Joshua, Eddie Hearn subsequently offered the bout to Jarrell Miller instead and even provided the American with a bigger purse than the sum that Whyte was offered. The package was supposedly $6.96m.

The Matchroom boss argued that Whyte should have taken the bout, regardless the small purse being offered, because beating AJ in front of 100,000 people at Wembley would have given Dillian the ownership of the “keys to the kingdom”, which essentially means accept the lowball bid for the sake of seeking sporting glory rather than being paid your financial self-worth.

Dillian Whyte’s next outing against Oscar Rivas next month will be the fourth PPV event that he’s headlined. And I cannot name any heavyweight fighter, not named Anthony Joshua, that can boast about headlining so many PPV events.

Also, Eddie Hearn initially presented a $4m offer to Deontay Wilder to defend his WBC world championship against Dillian Whyte, the American’s average payday at that point in time for his previous seven title bouts was merely $1.28m.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ refused Eddie Hearn’s $4m offer to face Dillian Whyte, by demanding $7m instead. However, Wilder then ended up taking the Luis Ortiz bout for a paltry $2.1m.

Shortly after Deontay's bout against Luis Ortiz, Eddie Hearn submitted a second offer to Wilder, which was $8m. This was rejected also.

These are facts that can easily be verified and were corroborated by all parties concerned.
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oogiebe wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 12:30 Exactly what I posted before. He's really deluded to think he is some PPV attraction on his own.

Yeah, I've never understood why Whyte thinks that he's so special.

For years his reputation existed solely on staggering Joshua. Just 1 punch. But he didn't win the fight. He was knocked out.

Has some wins over a faded Chisora (trailing on points at the time of the late KO in the rematch) and also a victory over Parker. But Whyte was damn lucky to hear the final bell in that one.

His actual accomplishments don't come close to matching the status he feels he's entitled to.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 12:34 Dillian Whyte was offered a smaller payday to face AJ for the second time than the purse he was paid for the Dereck Chisora rematch. This was not disputed by Eddie Hearn.

Coincidentally, shortly after ‘The Body Snatcher’ declined Matchroom’s offer to engage in the rematch with Anthony Joshua, Eddie Hearn subsequently offered the bout to Jarrell Miller instead and even provided the American with a bigger purse than the sum that Whyte was offered. The package was supposedly $6.96m.

The Matchroom boss argued that Whyte should have taken the bout, regardless the small purse being offered, because beating AJ in front of 100,000 people at Wembley would have given Dillian the ownership of the “keys to the kingdom”, which essentially means accept the lowball bid for the sake of seeking sporting glory rather than being paid your financial self-worth.

Dillian Whyte’s next outing against Oscar Rivas next month will be the fourth PPV event that he’s headlined. And I cannot name any heavyweight fighter, not named Anthony Joshua, that can boast about headlining so many PPV events.

Also, Eddie Hearn initially presented a $4m offer to Deontay Wilder to defend his WBC world championship against Dillian Whyte, the American’s average payday at that point in time for his previous seven title bouts was merely $1.28m.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ refused Eddie Hearn’s $4m offer to face Dillian Whyte, by demanding $7m instead. However, Wilder then ended up taking the Luis Ortiz bout for a paltry $2.1m.

Shortly after Deontay's bout against Luis Ortiz, Eddie Hearn submitted a second offer to Wilder, which was $8m. This was rejected also.

These are facts that can easily be verified and were corroborated by all parties concerned.
So let him sit on the sidelines waiting for a mega-offer. I really don't care.
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leejonesjnr wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 03:35 The Ring should rate Ruiz as number one.
No matter who you personally believe is the best, Wilder, Fury, whoever, The Ring rated Joshua as number one and Ruiz beat him. That should give Ruiz the spot.

- Ace that!

When AJ KOed Wlad to unify the title for all 3 belts, the Bronze Bambi had started a string of TBA short notice defenses that Floyd was famous for in his last years and apparently apart of the Haymon mantra now. AJ became the Ring # 1

The next year he fought Ring #3 Parker that included a 4th belt, the IBO. At that time Bambi had already refused to fight AJ, instead fighting a guy he first ducked for having to take ol'man bloodpressure meds, now 40 years old who blasted him from pillar to post. The Bama Bambi needed the ref to buy Bambi extra time, at least 30 sec or more. Then Fury clowned the thug to a draw.

Ring's own rules state that when #2 refuses to fight #1, then #3 shall suffice for the winner to take the Ring champion belt, so defacto not only was AJ the peoples champ, but he was the champ by Ring's own rules when he fought Andy.

Net result is Andy has 4 belts, is the new people's champ, and Ring's own champion by their own rules save they ignored their rules, ignored being the root of their ignorance. Moreover not only was Wilder ducking by refusing a $100 million DAZN deal that included AJ, but Fury too as well as Ortiz and Kownaki. AJ already beat the rest of their list save Pulev who probably turned him down and been circling the drain for some time now.

Andy the best thing that has happened to boxing since AJ came along by exposing the sheer scale of idiocy of some of the top heavies and their promoters and media, and sadly the fans that drink this koolaide. Loaded and locked for the rematch that cuts out them fools for another year as they diddle each other.

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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 12:20

Dillian Whyte has earned the right to avoid being exploited.

He’s not the only fighter to reject opportunities to face marquee names due to receiving lowball offers. Fight fans weren't demanding any of those guys to take a pay cut, so what's so different about Dillian Whyte?
No he hasn't. You can't earn anything in boxing. You have to buy it off the people who have it at the price they set. Boxing shouldn't be like that, but it is.

Nobody's demanding he take a pay cut. It's up to him. I am just saying if he wants to make money,and the champions, as you believe, are scared of him, it makes sense for him to cut his price to the point where it's an offer they can't refuse. When he wins, he becomes the seller, and sets his own price.

If they weren't scared of him (I am not saying they are, you are) they'd probably pay him more. That's the commercial reality.
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Should be wilder
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gp. wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 13:14 No he hasn't. You can't earn anything in boxing. You have to buy it off the people who have it at the price they set. Boxing shouldn't be like that, but it is.

Nobody's demanding he take a pay cut. It's up to him. I am just saying if he wants to make money,and the champions, as you believe, are scared of him, it makes sense for him to cut his price to the point where it's an offer they can't refuse. When he wins, he becomes the seller, and sets his own price.

If they weren't scared of him (I am not saying they are, you are) they'd probably pay him more. That's the commercial reality.
Why pretend that I have written something when it’s totally obvious that I haven't? Is this some sort of debating tactic, such as a strawman fallacy?

Don't misrepresent my claims or employ red-herring debating tactics, simply because it’s far easier to undermine something utterly bizarre rather than directly challenging anything I’ve actually written.

Please quote my actual words and attack them head-on.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 13:24 Why pretend that I have written something when it’s totally obvious that I haven't? Is this some sort of debating tactic, such as a strawman fallacy?

Don't misrepresent my claims or employ red-herring debating tactics, simply because it’s far easier to undermine something utterly bizarre rather than directly challenging anything I’ve actually written.

Please quote my actual words and attack them head-on.

You say they are ducking him. Why else would they be ducking him? You duck someone because you are afraid you might lose to them, not if you think you can beat them easily. If you prefer replace that with "they don't want to fight him". That's your contention, isn't it?
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gp. wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 13:33 You say they are ducking him. Why else would they be ducking him? If you prefer replace that with "they don't want to fight him". That's your contention, isn't it?
Commercial or financial reasons. Boxing is a business.

Wilder will side with Haymon/Showtime/Fox.

Fury will side with Arum/Wärręn/ESPN/BT.

Joshua will side with Hearn/DAZN/Sky.

Dillian Whyte is self-managed, as well as being a promotional and network free agent.

None of the main players (promoters or networks) wants to lose control over the ownership of the belts or see their most-prized assets devalued due to defeat... and Dillian Whyte represents an unnecessary risk.

I’ve already said this. And I can prove this. Please keep up.

There’s also the risk versus reward ratio to consider too.

Fighters “duck” for a variety of reasons and I’m supremely confident that almost none of those instances were driven by fear.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 13:44 Commercial or financial reasons. Boxing is a business.

Wilder will side with Haymon/Showtime/Fox.

Fury will side with Arum/Wärręn/ESPN/BT.

Joshua will side with Hearn/DAZN/Sky.

Dillian Whyte is self-managed, as well as being a promotional and network free agent.

None of the main players (promoters or networks) wants to lose control over the ownership of the belts or see their most-prized assets devalued due to defeat... and Dillian Whyte represents an unnecessary risk.

I’ve already said this. And I can prove this. Please keep up.

There’s also the risk versus reward ratio to consider too.

Fighters “duck” for a variety of reasons and I’m supremely confident that almost none of those instances were driven by fear.
Christ you use a lot of words to say nothing. If they think he's an unnecessary risk then they are afraid they might lose to him, ffs. If they weren't, he wouldn't be a risk. They are afraid of losing the belts to him.

If you don't like the word "afraid", say "concerned". It really isn't important, stop focusing on it. The point is you say they don't want to fight him. If they don't want to fight him, he has to make it attractive for them.
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gp. wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 14:01 Christ you use a lot of words to say nothing. If they think he's an unnecessary risk then they are afraid they might lose to him, ffs. If they weren't, he wouldn't be a risk. They are afraid of losing the belts to him.

If you don't like the word "afraid", say "concerned". It really isn't important, stop focusing on it. The point is you say they don't want to fight him. If they don't want to fight him, he has to make it attractive for them.
People make decisions strategically and are often risk averse. That doesn’t mean they possess any emotion when they decide things.

You’re desperately trying to pretend I wrote something you cannot possibly prove, because it never happened... ever!

Insult me all you like, but I haven’t lied, but you clearly have and you appear to be highly-embarrassed about being exposed.

Keep trying, it’s just far too easy! :yay:
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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 14:21 People make decisions strategically and are often risk averse. That doesn’t mean they possess any emotion when they decide things.

You’re desperately trying to pretend I wrote something you cannot possibly prove, because it never happened... ever!

Insult me all you like, but I haven’t lied, but you clearly have and you appear to be highly-embarrassed about being exposed.

Keep trying, it’s just far too easy! :yay:
What on earth are you talking about now?

Your implication was that they are worried Whyte would beat them, right?

In common parlance that can be said as "they are scared of Whyte". I never claimed you used those words, they were a rephrase of the fact that you think they are worried he would beat them. That's it. I assume you are not a first language English speaker, if you don't know that, so I apologise for using idioms you are not aware of.

Now please move off that one point, which is wholly unimportant to the argument. It's a common practice for people losing an argument to desperately fixate on one important part, but everyone sees straight through it.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 14:21 People make decisions strategically and are often risk averse. That doesn’t mean they possess any emotion when they decide things.

You’re desperately trying to pretend I wrote something you cannot possibly prove, because it never happened... ever!

Insult me all you like, but I haven’t lied, but you clearly have and you appear to be highly-embarrassed about being exposed.

Keep trying, it’s just far too easy! :yay:
Here you are. I will restate my entire post and take out "scared", for you.


"No he hasn't. You can't earn anything in boxing. You have to buy it off the people who have it at the price they set. Boxing shouldn't be like that, but it is.

Nobody's demanding he take a pay cut. It's up to him. I am just saying if he wants to make money,and the champions, as you believe, are WORRIED THEY MIGHT LOSE TO him, it makes sense for him to cut his price to the point where it's an offer they can't refuse. When he wins, he becomes the seller, and sets his own price.

If they weren't WORRIED THEY MIGHT LOSE TO him (I am not saying they are, you are) they'd probably pay him more. That's the commercial reality."
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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 14:21

Keep trying, it’s just far too easy! :yay:
:lol:
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Another EO hijacked thread on a miniscule point no one cares about. FFS, this was supposed to be about Fury. Now it's about the top 10 ducking Whyte because Whyte isn't being offered his self perceived market value! LMFAO! :lol:
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oogiebe wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 16:10 Another EO hijacked thread on a miniscule point no one cares about. FFS, this was supposed to be about Fury. Now it's about the top 10 ducking Whyte because Whyte isn't being offered his self perceived market value! LMFAO! :lol:
Lol, he just needs a stiff one.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 16:16 Lol, he just needs a stiff one.
Cock or drink?! :lol:
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oogiebe wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 16:24 Cock or drink?! :lol:
Both at the same time I think
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well, if he does things right he can drink from the cock , solves two birds with one stone
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jamamb wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 16:33 well, if he does things right he can drink from the cock , solves two birds with one stone
YIKES! LMFAO! :lol:
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